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France ejects 12 Islamic 'preachers of hate'
By Colin Randall in Paris
(Filed: 30/07/2005)
The gulf between British and French treatment of preachers of hatred and violence was thrown sharply into focus yesterday when France announced the summary expulsion of a dozen Islamists between now and the end of August.
A tough new anti-terrorism package was unveiled by Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister and a popular centre-Right politician.
Nicolas Sarkozy: 'We have to act against radical preachers'
His proposals reflect French determination to act swiftly against extremists in defiance of the human rights lobby, which is noticeably less vocal in France than in Britain.
Imams and their followers who fuel anti-western feeling among impressionable young French Muslims will be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin, most commonly in France's case to its former north African colonies.
Mr Sarkozy also revealed that as many as 12 French mosques associated with provocative anti-western preaching were under surveillance. Imams indulging in inflammatory rhetoric will be expelled even if their religious status is recognised by mainstream Muslim bodies.
Those who have assumed French citizenship will not be protected from deportation. Mr Sarkozy said he will reactivate measures, "already available in our penal code but simply not used", to strip undesirables of their adopted nationality. "We have to act against radical preachers capable of influencing the youngest and most weak-minded," Mr Sarkozy told the French daily Le Parisien.
The first to be caught in the new round of expulsions is an Algerian, Rena Ameuroud, whose brother Abderraham was jailed in France earlier this year for his part in a jihadist training exercise in the Fontainebleau forest south of Paris. He faces immediate deportation for allegedly urging fellow-worshippers at a Parisian mosque to engage in "holy war".
At least seven French nationals are now known to have been killed while fighting with anti-coalition insurgents in Iraq, in some cases as suicide bombers, the minister said. A further 10 are believed still to be there. France, which has Europe's largest Muslim population with estimates varying from five to nine million out of a population of 60 million, has long prided itself on its stern approach to terrorism.
Mr Sarkozy's crackdown on those "promoting radical Islamist polemic" was disclosed at the end of a week that began with French anger at Britain's failure to extradite the alleged financier of Islamist bombings in Paris in the mid-1990s. Rachid Ramda, 35, an Algerian, has been held for 10 years while fighting attempts to return him to stand trial. Survivors and victims' relatives who gathered this week at the St Michel station in the heart of Paris to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the worst attack, which killed eight, called on Britain to "stop protecting" Ramda.
They are unimpressed by his supporters' claims that he is a "gentle and peaceful" man who devotes his time in the Belmarsh top-security jail in south-east London to learning the Koran by heart, studying English literature and comforting other Muslim prisoners. Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, has approved Ramda's extradition - as did his predecessor David Blunkett - but his removal depends on High Court proceedings.
French ministers and commentators have long expressed exasperation at British handling of individuals who support terrorism, arguing that greater emphasis is being placed on their human rights rather than on security interests.
nucular said:If immigrants have become citizens of a country I guess they have a right to protest in a normal way like the other citizens do. However if they are absolutely opposed to their host countries culture why let them become citizens in the first place? Then if they actively pursue an agenda against the host country why not kick their asses out? I wonder if camels can swim all the way from Southern France to Algeria?
rtwngAvngr said:I must say, nukey, your growth over the past few days has been astounding. Soon we'll send you into du to fight the good fight. (for one post, until the thought police mods see it and ban you )
nucular said:Stop wanking Avngr!
:wank:
I don't like any form of religious extremism. If I had a choice I'd deport our homegrown religious fanatics as well.
I just question the intelligence of any country who accepts immigrants who are against the core principles of that country and who have no intention of assimilating or in some cases even learning the language.
Assimilation is the enemy of terrorism
by Eric
Charles Krauthammer, noting that one-quarter of all British Muslims sympathize with the recent bombings (and one-fifth have little or no loyalty to Britain), observes that these trends are worse among younger British Muslims. For this he blames a "massive failure of assimilation."
Massive failure of assimilation?
Excuse me, but isn't that the whole idea of multiculturalism?
Or is it just an unintended consequence?
Krauthammer maintains that the British situation is not analogous to the United States, because of our long history of assimilation.
However, the clear modern trend is to move away from assimilation -- in the name of multiculturalism.
From the 1880s to the 1940s when millions of immigrants arrived in the United States, Assimilation was the accepted norm in our culture and society. Assimilation can be defined as the process by which groups adapt or change to the dominant culture. When the 1960s brought with it the Civil Rights Movement, Cultural Pluralism or Multiculturalism replaced assimilation.
I don't care whether it's called "diversity," "multiculturalism," "identity politics," or the old fashioned word "segregation," it's become increasingly clear that this stuff is leading the country in the wrong direction.
The British bombings ought to be seen as an early warning.
insein said:To me multiculturism at its root is meant to cause conflict, not understanding. You want everyone to live in one place and all keep their own cultures. That in and of itself creates conflict. Some cultures treat women with great disrespect to the exten that they are property. We have that along side a group of feminazi's and conflict will occur. You have cultures that treat children as objects of destruction. Put that next to almost any other culture and there will be conflict.
The enemy within (liberalism) is just as bad as the enemy without (islam). They are fighting whether willingly or unaware side by side.
rtwngAvngr said:Multicutlturalism is an attempt to erode the western cultural values of freedom and self reliance that have made america great. People fear us and envy us and want us destroyed. And no, all emotions are not valid, especially envy.
rcajun90 said:If you are Islamic and from the Middle East well you don't need to be in the U.S. until you guys stop blowing yourselves up. I haven't heard of any Christians. Hindus or Bhuddist doing this.
nucular said:Actually, Canada, England and to a lesser degree U.S. have been coddling the Tamil Tiger terrorists from Sri Lanka. They are Hindus. They tried to kill the Sri Lankan president with suicide bombers. They do a lot of their fundraising out of NYC and Canada. Difference between them and the other fools is they aren't taking it out on us. Yet.
rcajun90 said:As I was typing the above I was thinking about the revolution in Sri Lanka. I wasn't sure if the Tamil Tigers were Hindu or Islamic. If memory serves, the Tamil Tigers have more suicide bombing attacks then all of the Middle East. How do they line that up with the Hindu's which every life even those that aren't human are sacred? Jeez they have thousands of cows running around Delhi which aren't killed for their meat because they are considered sacred. This is a crazy crazy world.
Kathianne said:From what I remember, they are more 'nationalist/ethnicists' than religious anything. They recruit women and children too. Ruthless. I think they all carry cyanide or something-'never be caught alive.'
Kathianne said:From what I remember, they are more 'nationalist/ethnicists' than religious anything. They recruit women and children too. Ruthless. I think they all carry cyanide or something-'never be caught alive.'
And the 'syndicate heirarchy' is primarily Catholic. The religion has little, if anything to do with their actions.nucular said:Their terrorism is not primarily religious in motivation, nevertheless they are Hindus and their victims are Buddhist and Christian. And some other Hindus.
