If someone has advice on how to break through to trump fans I'm all ears.

[Papageorgio]

I want to register every gun manufactured. Keep track of where it's made, who it's sold to and how it ends up in the hands of criminals in blue cities.

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This is the logic of the Democrats, they want government to control where every gun in America is and then complain because Republicans want too much government and are becoming too much like the Democrats.

 

[sealybobo]

This is the logic of the Democrats, they want government to control where every gun in America is and then complain because Republicans want too much government and are becoming too much like the Democrats.

Why not register every gun that is manufactured/sold? It's like you are complicit.

 

[Papageorgio]

You seem like the 2nd amendment guys who think they should be able to carry their guns anywhere, anytime, no matter what. It's their constitutional right. To bare arms. And so no laws shall be passed to infringe on that right. No common sense gun laws. No background checks. No registering guns. If a Democrat tries ANY OF THAT, then you just won't vote for them. Because you are a big 2nd amendment guy.

Same with the 1st. You don't want hate speech or lies censored. If Russia has trolls on Facebook constantly spreading lies, you don't want the government to tell a private company to stop it. I'm sorry but what site allows 100% free speech? Why do you come here? USMB infringes on your 1st amendment rights. There are rules here.

So you think it should be legal to yell fire in a movie theater? Or "HE'S GOT A GUN!"??? I mean, free speech.

And what about pro Hamas students at Harvard? Why can't they be anti semetic?

Again, you fail to respond rationally to what I posted, you word vomit. As far as the 1st and 2nd amendment you again, you know nothing what I think, just word vomit your hate and bigotry against those that disagree with you. Thanks, you keep proving my point.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why not register every gun that is manufactured/sold? It's like you are complicit.

Again you miss the irony of your post.

 

[sealybobo]

Again, you fail to respond rationally to what I posted, you word vomit. As far as the 1st and 2nd amendment you again, you know nothing what I think, just word vomit your hate and bigotry against those that disagree with you. Thanks, you keep proving my point.

I'm beginning to see the disconnect. Yesterday you said Trump was justified in sending the troops to LA. So, you are clearly easily duped into a manufactured crisis. Trust me, when he occupies LA you will accept his justification for doing so. He will do something unacceptable to the Governor or Mayor of the cities he's occupying and you will give him a pass in those states too.

Just the fact you gave Trump a pass for trying to stay in power in 2020 when he lost. If that alone wasn't enough to get you to vote Democratic, then all I can say is thank god you live in a blue state and your vote means nothing.

Did you hear Democrats won a state senate seat in Iowa? In a heavily Republican district? Republicans are blaming low voter turn out. That's fine with me. In other words Republicans are not showing up to vote? That gives us hope for next years midterms.

 

[Nostra]

You seem like the 2nd amendment guys who think they should be able to carry their guns anywhere, anytime, no matter what. It's their constitutional right. To bare arms. And so no laws shall be passed to infringe on that right. No common sense gun laws. No background checks. No registering guns. If a Democrat tries ANY OF THAT, then you just won't vote for them. Because you are a big 2nd amendment guy.

Same with the 1st. You don't want hate speech or lies censored. If Russia has trolls on Facebook constantly spreading lies, you don't want the government to tell a private company to stop it. I'm sorry but what site allows 100% free speech? Why do you come here? USMB infringes on your 1st amendment rights. There are rules here.

So you think it should be legal to yell fire in a movie theater? Or "HE'S GOT A GUN!"??? I mean, free speech.

And what about pro Hamas students at Harvard? Why can't they be anti semetic?

Can you link us up to the gun law that stopped gun violence?

 

[Nostra]

Why not register every gun that is manufactured/sold? It's like you are complicit.

How will that stop criminals from shooting people?

 

[Nostra]

Why not register every gun that is manufactured/sold? It's like you are complicit.

Guns in DC have to be registered, Simp.

Did it work?

 

[struth]

I want to register every gun manufactured. Keep track of where it's made, who it's sold to and how it ends up in the hands of criminals in blue cities.

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the federal govt makes laws so of course it’s in all those places

Every gun manufactured has a serial number and is recorded

 

[sealybobo]

How will that stop criminals from shooting people?

How many guns does every gun manufacturer in America manufacture each year? You don't know? And how many guns end up in the hands of criminals? You don't know? How do all these criminals get their hands on all these guns? You don't know?

We'd know better if every gun was given a serial number and registered with the law.

I had to go register my gun when I purchased it, right? So EVERY gun manufactured should be registered.

Put it this way dopey. If we looked close at what's going on, I think we would find a bunch of 150 year olds collecting social security. Only that wouldn't just be an excel error. I think we would find out that gun manufacturers purposely sell guns to criminals. They are involved in the gun trafficking.

Oh it would help a lot if gun ownership were taken more seriously. But you're still worried that the government is going to come take your guns.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm beginning to see the disconnect. Yesterday you said Trump was justified in sending the troops to LA. So, you are clearly easily duped into a manufactured crisis. Trust me, when he occupies LA you will accept his justification for doing so. He will do something unacceptable to the Governor or Mayor of the cities he's occupying and you will give him a pass in those states too.

Just the fact you gave Trump a pass for trying to stay in power in 2020 when he lost. If that alone wasn't enough to get you to vote Democratic, then all I can say is thank god you live in a blue state and your vote means nothing.

Did you hear Democrats won a state senate seat in Iowa? In a heavily Republican district? Republicans are blaming low voter turn out. That's fine with me. In other words Republicans are not showing up to vote? That gives us hope for next years midterms.

You gave Biden a pass for limiting free speech, you gave Biden a pass for mandating vaccines to keep your job, I am not giving Trump a pass, he just put on leave FEMA workers that signed a petition that raised concerns about the cuts to the department endangering people. That is also wrong.

I don’t justify based on politics, I justify based on the Constitution.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals sided with Trumps actions for these reasons.
Under § 12406(3), the President may federalize a state’s National Guard when “he is unable, with the regular forces, to execute the laws of the United States.” The court found that based on the evidence presented—e.g., protesters interfering with federal officers, throwing objects, and vandalizing federal property—Trump had a credible, “colorable basis” for invoking this authority.

Although California argued the order violated the statutory requirement that it be issued “through the Governor,” the Ninth Circuit concluded that because the Secretary of Defense sent the order to the California Adjutant General—an official authorized under state law to act in the Governor’s name—this procedural step was effectively satisfied.

 

[sealybobo]

You gave Biden a pass for limiting free speech, you gave Biden a pass for mandating vaccines to keep your job, I am not giving Trump a pass, he just put on leave FEMA workers that signed a petition that raised concerns about the cuts to the department endangering people. That is also wrong.

I don’t justify based on politics, I justify based on the Constitution.

I didn't mind learning that Biden pressured Facebook to do something about the Russian lies being spread on that platform. I'm not that big of a free speech freak. So you are such a free speech freak you defend harmful speech?

It was a ******* pandemic. We didn't know. If you wanted to go work among other people, you had to get vaccinated. In hindsight it seems like they were only hurting themselves but if we went back to then and didn't know like we didn't know, I would agree that you either get vaccinated or don't come to work. You are making me think of Kyrie Irvin. He couldn't travel to away games in the NBA because the NBA required you to be vaccinated if you wanted to travel. Bottom line is, you aren't free at your place of employment. You don't have freedom of speech at your work do you? Well then if they want to mandate you get a vaccine or don't come to work, you have a choice.

 

[Papageorgio]

I didn't mind learning that Biden pressured Facebook to do something about the Russian lies being spread on that platform. I'm not that big of a free speech freak. So you are such a free speech freak you defend harmful speech?

It was a ******* pandemic. We didn't know. If you wanted to go work among other people, you had to get vaccinated. In hindsight it seems like they were only hurting themselves but if we went back to then and didn't know like we didn't know, I would agree that you either get vaccinated or don't come to work. You are making me think of Kyrie Irvin. He couldn't travel to away games in the NBA because the NBA required you to be vaccinated if you wanted to travel. Bottom line is, you aren't free at your place of employment. You don't have freedom of speech at your work do you? Well then if they want to mandate you get a vaccine or don't come to work, you have a choice.

Thank you for proving that you are a partisan that cares more about your side than the Constitution.

 

[sealybobo]

Thank you for proving that you are a partisan that cares more about your side than the Constitution.

The constitution and the bible were just written by men you know. Someone can exploit the constitution and make us have to amend it. Like Free Speech or the right to bare arms. Perhaps we should take another look at that right. Being part of a well regulated militia and all.

And what about hate speech? So you defend lies? Even if those lies are ruining the country? Just because some guys 300 years ago said free speech is a right? Are there any limits to that?

 

[sealybobo]

How will that stop criminals from shooting people?

More common sense gun regulations might stop some of the murders. Just registering every gun is just one step I would take. It won't lower gun murders to zero but it'll lower the number significantly. But more measures would need to be taken. Like the other day a guy who shouldn't have had a gun took his brothers gun. His brother should go to jail. Then maybe other people will start locking up their guns so their crazy brothers can't get to them. You seem to not want to do anything.

Did you hear about the latest shooting?

The gunman, who has not yet been identified, was armed with a rifle, shotgun and pistol. Police said he fired each weapon and was later found dead toward the back of the church from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

2 Kids Dead, 17 Others Wounded In Minneapolis Church Shooting

The attacker, dressed in all black, fired at children sitting in pews for Mass. Police said the shooter is dead.

www.huffpost.com

Two children are dead and more than a dozen others wounded after a gunman dressed in all black fired on a Catholic school in Minneapolis during Mass.

 

[sealybobo]

LA was ok, the people of LA were trying to obstruct federal law enforcement officials from doing their Constitutional duties, by taking criminals of the street. If LA was its own world, then I wouldn’t care but illegal immigrants come into other states besides California and if a person cannot have respect enough for the country they come to, to obey that country’s laws, the need to be deported, back to their home. It is sad so many assholes support people that don’t respect our laws and then try to demean those that do. Bunch of idiots.

LA was political. So not OKAY. My nephew yesterday said the reason Trump is able to tariff like he is is because there is a law that says the president can in times of emergency. Trump made up an emergency. Do you even know what the emergency is that he used to give himself the power to do what he's doing? I bet you don't. Because there is no emergency. And he will make up an emergency you will accept to occupy Chicago.

Anyways, I think Trump should clean up these blue cities in red states before he ***** with blue states and blue governors.

You will say these cities are run by Democrats. Fine. Blame whoever you want. But clean up your red states first huh?

 

[Papageorgio]

LA was political. So not OKAY. My nephew yesterday said the reason Trump is able to tariff like he is is because there is a law that says the president can in times of emergency. Trump made up an emergency. Do you even know what the emergency is that he used to give himself the power to do what he's doing? I bet you don't. Because there is no emergency. And he will make up an emergency you will accept to occupy Chicago.

Anyways, I think Trump should clean up these blue cities in red states before he ***** with blue states and blue governors.

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You will say these cities are run by Democrats. Fine. Blame whoever you want. But clean up your red states first huh?

According to the ruling in the 9th Ciruit Court of Appeals, you are wrong.

This is a dumb argument, I am agreeing with you that the National Guard going into Chicago to stop crime would be unconstitutional.

You have mental issues.

 

[sealybobo]

LA was ok, the people of LA were trying to obstruct federal law enforcement officials from doing their Constitutional duties, by taking criminals of the street. If LA was its own world, then I wouldn’t care but illegal immigrants come into other states besides California and if a person cannot have respect enough for the country they come to, to obey that country’s laws, the need to be deported, back to their home. It is sad so many assholes support people that don’t respect our laws and then try to demean those that do. Bunch of idiots.

Congress spoke clearly in 1878 when it passed the Posse Comitatus Act, prohibiting the use of the U.S. military to execute domestic law

Per the judge’s order, the Trump administration will be blocked from “deploying, ordering, instructing, training, or using the National Guard, and any military troops heretofore deployed in California, to execute the laws,” unless it can show “a valid constitutional or statutory exception” to the act. The order is stayed until Sept. 12.
At its height, there were over 4,000 National Guard and 700 Marines deployed to LA, prompting Newsom to sue the administration. Newsom alleged the Trump administration violated the Posse Comitatus Act, a 1789 law that forbids the military from engaging in civilian law enforcement.

To justify its use, Trump asserted that the protests in response to immigration raids led by the Department of Homeland Security and Immigration and Customs Enforcement qualified as “rebellion.”
California Attorney General Rob Bonta and Newsom, however, argued that the deployment was a drastic overreach into the state’s sovereign powers and altogether unnecessary. Usually, National Guard troops are only deployed at the behest of state or city officials. At trial, intelligence and security assessment reports from federal and local enforcement confirmed that concerns to life and property were low before and after raids were conducted and troops were deployed.

 

[citygator]

Can you link us up to the gun law that stopped gun violence?

Why are guns banned in court houses and in state legislature buildings? Why cant you bring a gun to the White House to meet the President? If guns are safe they are safe. If they aren’t, they aren’t. Why are they safe when not near the President or Congress?

Let’s relax those bans and track gun deaths.

 

[Nostra]

How many guns does every gun manufacturer in America manufacture each year? You don't know? And how many guns end up in the hands of criminals? You don't know? How do all these criminals get their hands on all these guns? You don't know?

We'd know better if every gun was given a serial number and registered with the law.

I had to go register my gun when I purchased it, right? So EVERY gun manufactured should be registered.

Put it this way dopey. If we looked close at what's going on, I think we would find a bunch of 150 year olds collecting social security. Only that wouldn't just be an excel error. I think we would find out that gun manufacturers purposely sell guns to criminals. They are involved in the gun trafficking.

Oh it would help a lot if gun ownership were taken more seriously. But you're still worried that the government is going to come take your guns.

Ok, so you think you have a way to take a gun someone shot someone with and track it back to where it was purchased? And how exactly will that prevent the shooting you just picked up the gun from?