If socialism is so bad

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

"Why is the right so afraid of it ?"



30 years of limbaugh (and all those other hate radio djs)
and 25 years of fox news, breitbart, the blaze, etc.....

Carefully scripted fears and misinformation.....

So conservatives indulge in some socialism (that they benefit from) then denounce all forms of socialism that benefit others.....

new football stadium paid for by taxes? fine....they like football...

welfare for low income single mother so they don't die in the streets?...nope...they don't get anything from THAT!

Venezuela

 

[badger2]

Yes, the Prisoners were duped. Many govt. programs cultivate psychic laziness and violent, infantile, and reactionary sensitivities. Bernie Sanders and socialism having played the symbolic role of middle tine of the ambiguous trident (see wiki), the democrats' overconfident mechanism (Clinton-Sanders as "two incarcerations") collapsed when they thought they had the election in the bag. The three entities of the trident now become more clear:

'The (apparent acquittal [italics]) of the disciplinary societies (between two incarcerations); and the (limitless postponement [it.]) of the societies of control (in common variation) are two very different modes of juridical life, and if our law is hesitant, itself in crisis, it's because we are leaving one in order to enter into the other.'
(Postscript on the Societies of Control)

 

[Markle]

Eminent domain is always bad because the government rips off the people by paying far too little for the land they take

That's a lie. Flat out lie. You really should know what you're talking about before posting.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

They are afraid because they don’t know what it is .

So it’s good or not dimmy?


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[Butch_Coolidge]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Because it sounds good to stupid people, but leads to tyranny and mass murder.

Have you ever heard of "History"?

Socialism Ian a relatively new idea . How do you explain the centuries of tyranny and mass murder prior ?

They took control of everything and everyone, and no longer needed to murder. It didn’t make sense anymore because they needed to exploit them for money and possessions. Dead people can’t provide that.


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[Butch_Coolidge]

Surely if it is so bad then people will reject it ?

Yes, we are rejecting it.

.

No ones even promoting it!

Bernie and Captain Cortez are.


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[Aponi]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Your a moron

 

[SavannahMann]

In post #90, SavannahMann wrote: 'Socialism is the control of the society, and economy, of a nation. It has never worked....there can never be a system which is fair for all, and allows enough freedom for innovation....China has managed to strike a delicate and ever-changing balance between capitalism and socialism. But the rules they used last year to govern it, aren't applicable this year, and won't be used next year. China is allowing just enough capitalism, and freedom, to stay competitive while clinging to the power of control of the socialist government.'

Like a secret agent's one-time pad, China's scenario was somewhat presupposed by Deleuze and Guattari, and even has some resonance with the Musician's trade:

'Enclosures are molds, distinct castings, but controls are a (modulation [italics]), like a self-deforming cast that will continuously change from one moment to the other, or like a sieve whose mesh will transmute from point to point.....This is obvious in the matter of salaries: the factory was a body that contained its internal forces at a level of equilibrium, the highest possible in terms of production, to lowest possible in terms of wages; but in a society of control, the corporation has replaced the factory, and the corporation is a spirit, a gas.'
(D&G, Postscript on the Societies of Control)

Thus, one certainly does not not allow capitalism to escape critique either.

4 hours ago: Yahoo News, Amazon Will Pay $0 in Taxes on $11,200,000,000 Profit in 2018.

Suggested reading: Derrida, Specters of Marx.

Where to start, where to start. I guess the start, is the best place. You act as if China is the First Nation to get the “Socialism” question correctly. But that is dreaming. It isn’t that China is implementing Socialism right, it is that they are getting it wrong, and slightly correctly by the Capitalist model.

Chinese Government owned Factories produce crap at the least efficient manner imaginable. The ones that are more profitable, and more efficient, are the ones that are owned by the Chinese Industrialists, and sell products to foreigners, including us the Gwai, White Devils.

This is the pinnacle of Chinese made cars. It is twice as expensive as the Capitalist Rolls Royce Phantom.

The Hongqi L5 is the most expensive Chinese car you can buy

That car looks like it is so sinister, your address can only be inside a Hollowed Out Volcano.

Now, onto your “recent proof that capitalism sucks” argument. Amazon and not paying taxes. Pfui.

That is actually a good example of the difference between a Socialist and Capitalist system. The Capitalist System utilizes the Tax Code to manipulate society. The Socialist system ignores the written rules to benefit the elites.

Here’s how it works in the Capitalist System. The Politicians in an effort to help out a friend, or advance a cause, convince other Politicians to allow a rider to be attached to the bill reducing the taxes, or creating credits, for various nonsensical programs. If the company has solar panels, they get a certain amount of tax break. If they use high efficiency lighting, they get a different tax break. If they have ride sharing, or similar transportation methods in place for workers, they get even more tax breaks. Amazon launches stealthy employee shuttle system with nondescript buses and little fanfare

The Rich hire accountants and lawyers to comb the written rules, and find every single one of those breaks they can. Inevitably they will be audited, that is to say checked by the Government enforcement arm, the IRS, to insure that they are in compliance with the law.

The Rich will store money overseas, or claim it is actually the money of a wholly owned subsidiary that happens to be in a Tax Haven. The Cayman Islands are famous for this sort of thing.

You call it cheating, when in reality, it is literally playing within the rules. It may be unethical, and I would probably agree to that providing you were able to illustrate it without referring to the Little Red Book, or other nonsensical texts.

Amazon did not make the rules. Amazon had no power to write the loopholes into the tax code. They only took advantage of all they could, like the Green Energy credits that the Left put in, and the Right agreed to. Slap some Solar Panels on the roof, and whamo, you have a tax credit right there. Yay. Lower taxes.


Now, the Socialist system, is a little different. The Rich guy can hire lawyers, accountants, and all that. But the problem is that those people would only be effective if the rules were not written in pencil. In the Socialist Country, the Rich or somewhat powerful curry favor with the actually powerful, to have a phone call made and someone told that Bob ain’t gonna pay taxes.

But propaganda value being what it is, you and the other leftist types, all rush out and scream that Amazon paid no taxes, they cheated. You do not tell the truth, and you may not be aware of the truth. You don’t tell the people that Amazon took advantage of laws and loopholes to achieve this goal.

If all you were wanting is equitable taxation, without the loopholes, you would be a Republican and in favor of the Flat, or Fair, tax. But you’re a leftist, and you want the society controlled, and the Civil Rights eliminated, because it’s not fair that you aren’t a member of the brilliant upper crust. That is why you rush about screaming that Amazon paid no taxes. When I hear that, I know how they did it. It wasn’t through illegal means, but means that are available to every business, and rarely enough taken advantage of.

Out of curiously, how do you feel about tax incentives so people will buy electric cars instead of internal combustion?

 

[jc456]

If socialism is so great, why aren’t caravans heading to Venezuela?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Tommy, it's personally YOU people on this board hate, rather than the debate over socialism. You are the snobbiest, most America-hating, most America-denigrating Gollum-like, hissing, sniveling, Islam-fellatrix, syphilitic troll on the Internet. You've ALREADY PROVEN TO US that you are opposed to anything that benefits Americans and you jack off over everything that harms Americans! Is your British, cousin-inbreeding, 2/5 hard liquor per day British alcoholic, pissy-natured little shit for brain THIS ******* STUPID you can't understand that HATE BEGETS HATE!? Your years of spewing dehumanizing contempt for Americans (not unlike Obama) are simply going to bring reciprocal hatred on yourself. Because with the UK's generations of PETULANT, SNIVELING, BABY-TANTRUM, STOMPY-FOOT HATE against America, there is NOTHING you Brits can do or say that will make us "bloody yanks" take your pedophile-enabling, self-loathing, crawling-on-its-belly-for-Islam culture of British whores seriously! Why is that so difficult for you completely amoral, American-hating prostitutes to simply accept?

My God, you Brits are an island who PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR MAKING A SILLY, NON-PC JOKE ONLINE! And you have the audacity, the TEMERITY, to expect us "bloody seppos" to have one quantum of ******* RESPECT for an island of 110% submissive little COWARD Islam rentboys like you Brits????? Crawling on your bellies before Islam is the only thing that makes your British culture feel alive.

Tainted Tommy's primary purpose is to continually remind us American why we kicked the British savages out of our country more than two centuries ago, and to show us that our reasons for having done so remain valid to this very day.

 

[jc456]

Tommy, it's personally YOU people on this board hate, rather than the debate over socialism. You are the snobbiest, most America-hating, most America-denigrating Gollum-like, hissing, sniveling, Islam-fellatrix, syphilitic troll on the Internet. You've ALREADY PROVEN TO US that you are opposed to anything that benefits Americans and you jack off over everything that harms Americans! Is your British, cousin-inbreeding, 2/5 hard liquor per day British alcoholic, pissy-natured little shit for brain THIS ******* STUPID you can't understand that HATE BEGETS HATE!? Your years of spewing dehumanizing contempt for Americans (not unlike Obama) are simply going to bring reciprocal hatred on yourself. Because with the UK's generations of PETULANT, SNIVELING, BABY-TANTRUM, STOMPY-FOOT HATE against America, there is NOTHING you Brits can do or say that will make us "bloody yanks" take your pedophile-enabling, self-loathing, crawling-on-its-belly-for-Islam culture of British whores seriously! Why is that so difficult for you completely amoral, American-hating prostitutes to simply accept?

My God, you Brits are an island who PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR MAKING A SILLY, NON-PC JOKE ONLINE! And you have the audacity, the TEMERITY, to expect us "bloody seppos" to have one quantum of ******* RESPECT for an island of 110% submissive little COWARD Islam rentboys like you Brits????? Crawling on your bellies before Islam is the only thing that makes your British culture feel alive.

Tainted Tommy's primary purpose is to continually remind us American why we kicked the British savages out of our country more than two centuries ago, and to show us that our reasons for having done so remain valid to this very day.

Fk tiny timmy

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.

No one has called for that, liar. There will always be private supplemental plans just as there are now with Medicare. No one has called for the govt to " take over the health insurance industry", dope. You need to think before repeating dopey natratives.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

that's exactly what they are calling for. not just nationalization of the fossil fuel industry, but the elimination of it.

plus tax rates that would destroy the economy and trains to Europe. Its fricken lunacy.

Fever swamp nonsense.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.

He has no idea what socialism means.

Says the dope who posted the definition and cited examples that weren't even close.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

by paying a fair market price for it. Most border land owners will gladly sell a small portion of their land in exchange for better security.

socialism would just take the land, actually it would not need to be taken because the government would already own all of the land, there is no private property under socialism.

Most border land owners will gladly sell a small portion of their land in exchange for better security.

Liar. Post it up.

You Want a Wall? Landowners Still Fight Bush's Border Fence

The Taking: How the federal government abused its power to seize property for a border fence

Landowners Likely To Bring More Lawsuits As Trump Moves On Border Wall

 

[jc456]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.

No one has called for that, liar. There will always be private supplemental plans just as there are now with Medicare. No one has called for the govt to " take over the health insurance industry", dope. You need to think before repeating dopey natratives.

Well yes they did. Kamala?

 

[badger2]

In post #128, SavannahMann: 'Here's how it works in the Capitalist System.' Though SvannahMann may not have heard of another USMB socialist thread: 'Next Time You Hear Someone Criticizing Socialism.' Where to continue, where to continue, with the syllabus. Shall we discuss Hardt and Negri's excerpt in that said thread before or after the pop quiz?

 

[dblack]

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.

No one has called for that, liar. There will always be private supplemental plans just as there are now with Medicare. No one has called for the govt to " take over the health insurance industry", dope. You need to think before repeating dopey natratives.

Let the equivocation games begin! Like I said, pretty silly.

 

[Crixus]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Then go where they do that. Venezuela is relatively close.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.

No one has called for that, liar. There will always be private supplemental plans just as there are now with Medicare. No one has called for the govt to " take over the health insurance industry", dope. You need to think before repeating dopey natratives.

Well yes they did. Kamala?

Post it up.