If socialism is so bad

[iceberg]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no. that's neighbors being cool to each other.

socialism would more be i have to come help build the barn and pay for much of it since i have too much money and others for whatever reason in life, do not.

 

[Redfish]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

 

[SmokeALib]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Move to Caracas. I hear they gotta lotta nice girls there.

 

[dblack]

If socialism is so bad ...

Why is the right so afraid of it ?

Because it's bad? Are you trying to make a coherent point?

Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Not if it's bad.

 

[Redfish]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Move to Caracas. I hear they gotta lotta nice girls there.

but no dogs, cats, zoo animals or wild parrots, because they have all been eaten by the people enjoying socialism.

 

[dblack]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Only well educated liberals like yourself.

 

[dblack]

Democrat Talking Point Memo #456:

1. When faced with criticism of socialism, ask for a definition of socialism. If your mark attempts do define it in their own words, equivocate to high-heaven and nitpick each and every word. If they use a dictionary definition, go on to step 2.
2. Ask them for examples of socialism. When supplied, reject each and every one of their offerings with the criterium that only total government ownership of all property is socialism.
3. When they grow weary of your games, declare victory. You have proven they have no idea what socialism is. You win!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

 

[SavannahMann]

Socialism is bad for one reason. It does not work. The problem with the Left is they won’t take failure as an option. Granted, there is a certain admirability to determination to succeed. However, the problem with Socialism is that it has never worked.

Social Democracy is what you are confusing, intentionally, with Socialism. A Social Democracy sees the need for a Safety Net. When someone falls from the ladder of life, the net stops them from hitting rock bottom. I can agree it is a valid set of social programs. Socialism is not a safety net however.

Socialism is control of the society, and economy, of a nation. It has never worked. The reason is that it is impossible to create the system that Marx dreamed of, each according to his abilities, each according to his needs. You see, there can never be a system which is fair for all, and allows enough freedom for innovation.

All of the great things, have been a result of competition. Someone came up with a way to build a better mousetrap. The Apollo program. One of the highlights of the 20th Century, was both Government, and Private. Companies like Latex Products Incorporated spent a lot of time, and money, developing the products that the Astronauts used. Grumman spent a ton of money doing the research needed to put forward a competitive bid on the Luner Module. Before they ever saw the contract, they had spent a year or more doing research and engineering development.

North American spent just as much money and time developing the Command Capsules. Each part, each piece, was the result of someone spending a lot of time to innovate for a chance at a contract.

But let’s take GM. Yes, General Motors. They spent more than a year developing the Lunar Rover. In theory, and in model form, the idea took shape. They proposed it to NASA, after spending a year on a product which NASA said was not feasible. There were only a few made, but they allowed a much wider area of exploration. That isn’t Socialism, that is Capitalism. Risking your company, investing in the future, without even a modicum of Government Approval. GM did much of the research and design work before NASA had approved the contract.

The computer you are sitting at, someone had to risk a lot of time, and money, into developing the company, in the hopes that they would be successful. How many products are no longer with us?

But what I am most afraid of regarding Socialism, is freedom, and the subsequent loss of individual liberty. It must happen under Sociaist administrations, because control of the people, and the economy, for the social good, is required.

Life is like a bowl of cereal. The Cereal is Liberty, the milk is Equality, and the bowl is life itself. If you have too much cereal, your equality is soaked up and eventually the liberty is flaked away in the wind. If you hav too much Milk, your Liberty is soaked and soggy and disgusting. It must be in balance, and that is where Socialism fails. Every single time it is tried.

China exists because China has managed to strike a delicate and every changing balance between capitalism, and socialism. But the rules they used last year to govern it, aren’t applicable this year, and won’t be used next year. China is allowing in just enough Capitalism, and freedom, to stay competitive, while clinging to the power, and control of the socialist government. Eventually the incompatibility of the two systems will tear itself apart in China. And china is one of the “successful” socialist nations. Where human rights are trampled regularly, individual liberty is struck down with brutality. Human Rights organizations regularly file long winded and well researched reports on how awful China is for things like freedom and liberty and justice.

You asked why I am afraid of socialism. Because I know that liberty, freedom, and civil rights are vital for a people. I also know that those vital things are absent in every Socialist nation. So I will continue to oppose Socialism, because the rights of the people are cherished, and non negotiable in my mind.

 

[Redfish]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

that's exactly what they are calling for. not just nationalization of the fossil fuel industry, but the elimination of it.

plus tax rates that would destroy the economy and trains to Europe. Its fricken lunacy.

 

[regent]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Because it sounds good to stupid people, but leads to tyranny and mass murder.

Have you ever heard of "History"?

Yep, it was those poor-farms the early Americans created that led to tyranny and mass murders. We will never recover from those early poor farms.

 

[Markle]

If socialism is so bad

If socialism is so good, why must it always be be implemented by force?

It has to be implemented by force because we, OBVIOUSLY, do not know what is best for ourselves.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

that's exactly what they are calling for. not just nationalization of the fossil fuel industry, but the elimination of it.

plus tax rates that would destroy the economy and trains to Europe. Its fricken lunacy.

Its fricken lunacy.

Great. Just not socialism.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

 

[Blues Man]

Who knows what anyone actually means by "socialism" at this point.

Socialism is people pulling together to build that barn.

no its not. socialism is taking your barn and making you clean up the cow shit.

Or taking your land to build a border wall.

Or a highway, or a shopping center or because some moron in the government thinks it's being underutilized

 

[Chiara]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

I think the reason is simple Tommy: if you think something is bad or evil you're afraid of it.
No need to be afraid of something good

 

[Correll]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Because it sounds good to stupid people, but leads to tyranny and mass murder.

Have you ever heard of "History"?

Yep, it was those poor-farms the early Americans created that led to tyranny and mass murders. We will never recover from those early poor farms.

YOu are referring to the tradition of Barn raising?


That was not socialism. That was an insanely healthy civic community working together.


The two prime differences is the lack of a controlling authority, and that the barn is the property of an individual family when it is done.

 

[dblack]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Because it sounds good to stupid people, but leads to tyranny and mass murder.

Have you ever heard of "History"?

Yep, it was those poor-farms the early Americans created that led to tyranny and mass murders. We will never recover from those early poor farms.

YOu are referring to the tradition of Barn raising?


That was not socialism. That was an insanely healthy civic community working together.


The two prime differences is the lack of a controlling authority, and that the barn is the property of an individual family when it is done.

Yep. Socialists get this mixed up a lot. Community collaboration isn't socialism. Unless the police are rounding up everyone and forcing them to help build the barn, it's not the same thing.

 

[dblack]

That has nothing to do with your definition, dope. No Dem has ever suggested that the govt should own the production of resources.

Why do you ignore your own definition in favor of dopey narratives?

Do I need to transcribe what that idiot said?

Government taking over the oil industry is the very definition of socialism. That's exactly what Venezuela did.

Don't get pissed when I prove you are full of shit.

No one has called for that, liar. Your dopey link isn't clear and certainly isn't representative of Democrats.
Your narrative is retarded given the very definition you posted.

They're certainly calling for the feds to take over the health insurance industry. You'll look pretty silly trying to deny that one.