If socialism is so bad

[occupied]

My taxes go for a lot of things a lot more useless and destructive than feeding hungry people

Oh, believe me, I agree. Maybe a little more bitching is in order.

Besides, feeding hungry people means they will not come for what you have.

Yes it does. That is exactly what they are doing. Government is the tool and means of their theft.

Stay with me because I am not arguing for starving the homeless, etc.

I am simply pointing out how quickly the role and power of government gets out of control.

Although it is not "socialism" it is involuntary servitude and tyranny.

Then, when a tax cut is proposed, we get people claiming that the proposed tax cuts are "not paid for" as if all of our money is theirs to spend, and they will kindly give us back what they don't need.

Tax cuts look exactly like spending on a government balance sheet. The real question is this: What exactly are we buying with tax cuts? The common excuse is that they are stimulative to the economy yet we still have millions who cannot afford things we see as necessity in spite of ever lower taxes on the wealthy. Capitalism has failed in this respect so we have social programs.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Socialism Ian a relatively new idea . How do you explain the centuries of tyranny and mass murder prior ?

I can explain this one
India's population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500's the Hindu population was 200 million .

still trying to convince people that the department of sanitation is socialism?

carry on then

I think Timmy was saying the exact opposite.

It's NOT socialism and he is not advocating for it.

even though it seems to be the theme of most of his threads...unless theirs another cat in the hat running around ..if so im new forgive me ..

and he ASKED so the savage muzz knocking off 400 million people nuttin to see there ?
im sure he'd prefer it if i throw in something western European ....and white

 

[Jackson]

T

his can’t go on much longer,” I thought to myself as I waited in line in the tropical heat. Perhaps 30 people were still in front of me, and the supermarket guards were letting people in at sluggish pace that just made me want to groan in exasperation.

To kill some time while I waited to buy groceries, I decided to try interviewing someone. I picked a middle aged woman behind me, and asked her how she felt about the lines outside supermarkets, the shortages of consumer goods and the general economic downturn.

At first she started slowly, muttering about the state of the country, Venezuela. As she gained momentum, her voice rose, and her sentences became disjointed. By the end of the impromptu interview, she was shrieking hysterically about “Castro-comunismo” and some conspiracy theory about President Nicolas Maduro being a Colombian Cuban spy. After a moment of two, it was just pure rage, directed at everything: the country, the government, the people – everything.



Don’t get me wrong, I certainly understood her frustration. Unlike most international journalists who cover Venezuela, I actually lived in the country long term. I lived in a barrio. My income was minimum wage. I drank my beer on the curb outside a bodega.

Inflation had eaten away my savings, making my weekly trip to the grocery store not only time consuming, but also increasingly expensive. It felt like the country was heading into crisis, and it couldn’t possibly go on much longer.
That was Venezuela two years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0027974b32f2

CARACAS, Venezuela — Since the eruption of protests against President Nicolás Maduro last month, Flor Blanco, a 57-year-old seamstress, has repeatedly clashed with her husband over a question at the core of the crisis here: Did socialism kill Venezuela?

Blessed with the world’s largest oil reserves, this South American nation was once the region’s richest per capita.

Twenty years after the launch of the late Hugo Chávez’s Bolivarian Revolution, it is now one of the poorest. Blanco’s husband, a loyalist of Maduro — Chavez’s anointed successor — still calls socialism society’s great equalizer that gave the poor dignity.

But like more and more Venezuelans, Blanco is questioning not just a man — Maduro — but an economic model.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...g-venezuela-and-americans-dont-seem-to-notice

IT'S NO SECRET THAT things are bad in Venezuela. Rolling blackouts are causing infant deaths in hospitals where backup generators have ceased to function; the country is on pace to hit 700 percent inflation; outside of active war zones, the murder rate in Caracas is the highest in the world.

For many Americans, it's a news story piped in from a faraway place. For me? It's my friends and family who are suffering at the hands of an increasingly powerful and paranoid dictatorial regime.

As a kid growing up in Caracas, I remember the difficult decision my parents had to make when Hugo Chavez attempted his coup and took over shortly thereafter. My parents decided to leave behind our life in Venezuela and come to the United States – much like my mother's family fled Cuba in the 1960s when Fidel Castro took over. Though it was a hard choice, in hindsight, we were the lucky ones.

 

[occupied]

Our healthcare industry has to be heavily subsidized because it clearly cannot supply care to all Americans because of expense.

If everyone was required to pay, the expense would go down quite a bit.

The health care industry (providers) have been spoiled by health insurance and the cost has gone up because there's no incentive to keep costs under control. In fact, cost control is effectively discouraged. Competition among providers over fees is virtually nonexistent. The free market has NOT been allowed to keep the prices under control.

But, at the same time, making it single payer is socialism. That is the effective government takeover of the industry.

There are many effective and popular socialized medical programs in the world that serve everyone for less. Our for profit system is burdened not with patients or lack of money but a host of business interests that must make a profit before anyone gets treated.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Over 100 Million dead and counting and that's not even including the Nazi's death toll. Socialism is great.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Tax cuts look exactly like spending on a government balance sheet.

What should they look like on my balance sheet?

It's the attitude that pisses me off more than anything. And the fact that people don't ***** enough about the waste makes it worse.

What exactly are we buying with tax cuts?

Who? If by we, you mean me, whatever I need or want.

We never hear about spending cuts....EVER. It's always more. Government is NEVER forced to do without or shrink.

The common excuse is that they are stimulative to the economy yet we still have millions who cannot afford things we see as necessity in spite of ever lower taxes on the wealthy.

Yet, the would not get the money either way. It goes to government to be wasted and splurged, defense spending is THE SINGLE biggest offender.

So, I don't see how tax cuts hurt the poor.

Capitalism has failed in this respect so we have social programs.

You're mixing topics and issues. If social programs are not socialism, capitalism is irrelevant to the discussion.

This is where you lose most people. When you condemn Capitalism (incorrectly), you must be advocating for a replacement. Is there any wonder why so many people are apprehensive about the motives of the left?

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There are many effective and popular socialized medical programs in the world that serve everyone for less. Our for profit system is burdened not with patients or lack of money but a host of business interests that must make a profit before anyone gets treated.

So, you do want socialism.

All work is for profit. Otherwise, it's slavery.

 

[westwall]

Socialism or more accurately social programs are simply a way of dealing with problems that capitalism cannot or will not solve. It is not inherently good or bad.

if that were true, why did China allow capitalism to infect their socialist utopia?

China eventually came to the realization that money is power and they needed power outside their borders. Look at it like this: Not one person is suggesting we nationalize the snack food industry. It is more than adequate to the task of curing America's case of the munchies. Our healthcare industry has to be heavily subsidized because it clearly cannot supply care to all Americans because of expense.

The difference between socialism and capitalism is the locus of control. Socialism is government controls almost every aspect of your life, and capitalism is the individual controls it. The problem with socialism is it breeds corruption, and because the populace is cowed there is no way to deal with it. It becomes entrenched, the leaders loot the populace, and then the government changes to a dictatorship as they begin to run out of other peoples money, and then the mass slaughter begins.

China, by adopting some capitalism averted that. Of course, under Mao they had already managed to murder at least 100 million of their own, but that change averted killing another 100 million.

 

[occupied]

There are many effective and popular socialized medical programs in the world that serve everyone for less. Our for profit system is burdened not with patients or lack of money but a host of business interests that must make a profit before anyone gets treated.

So, you do want socialism.

All work is for profit. Otherwise, it's slavery.

How much of what you make is mandatory spending? What's the difference between slaving for the government or slaving for the power company? They all demand you pay a non-negotiable amount or face the consequences.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

They all demand you pay a non-negotiable amount or face the consequences.

Do I have a choice?

 

[occupied]

They all demand you pay a non-negotiable amount or face the consequences.

Do I have a choice?

Nope, it's the price of living in the land of the free.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nope, it's the price of living in the land of the free.

I have a choice to not pay the power company. The consequences? No power.

I have a choice to not pay Government. The consequences? The loss of liberty or death if I resist.

See the diff?

That is not "land of the free".

 

[occupied]

Nope, it's the price of living in the land of the free.

I have a choice to not pay the power company. The consequences? No power.

I have a choice to not pay Government. The consequences loss of liberty.

See the diff?

That is not "land of the free".

It never was, you are free to complain all you want.

 

[Markle]

Why does anyone bother to respond to one of our Trolls, Tommy Tainant?

He throws up a provocative line or two, then goes to get another beer.

If he responds after that at all, it is only to fan the flames, laugh heartily at some of the responses, then goes to get another beer...or whatever.

 

[francoHFW]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Here in the United States, they think socialism is communism in the dumbass never been anywhere brainwashed GOP.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Here in the United States, they think socialism is communism in the dumbass never been anywhere brainwashed GOP.

Joe Macarthy still stalks the land.

 

[francoHFW]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

Here in the United States, they think socialism is communism in the dumbass never been anywhere brainwashed GOP.

Joe Macarthy still stalks the land.

The GOP and it's garbage propaganda machine here are still the Cold War bastion of democracy so socialism is communism and vice versa... They even think Nazis are socialists now. IT IS RIGHT IN THEIR NAME!! GOP propaganda is always a lie always... Poor America

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Why is the right so afraid of it ?
Surely its a good thing that we help people when they stumble ?

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socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


Definition of SOCIALISM

Great. Not a single Dem has advocated for that, fool.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is the way socialism was explained to children when we were still teaching children

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Great. Not a single Dem has advocated for that, fool.

Not a single one?