If science discovers that Israeli Jews are not the Jews of the Bible
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Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
PNAS
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)
""... A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.
Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities.
A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.
Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
[....]
Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.
Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors. First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. ...
Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
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Middle Eastern Affinities.
A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) Supports the hypothesis of a Common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."
again, above excerpted from the longer:
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes ? PNAS
PNAS
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)
""... A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.
Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities.
A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.
Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
[....]
Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.
Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors. First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. ...
Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
[....]
Middle Eastern Affinities.
A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) Supports the hypothesis of a Common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."
again, above excerpted from the longer:
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes ? PNAS
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solutio
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solution, so Arafat's Russian handlers told him to take the name Palestinian as a means of giving their terrorism some credibility. That is what you are defending a communist backed international terrorist group of psychopathic mass murderers when you flame and bully other posters
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians
now get your history right.
They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".
The problem being that the arab muslims refused to live in Palestine as the conditions were too harsh and they would have to pay taxes to the Ottomans. It was only after the Jews had made the land fertile again that the arab muslims came on the promise of work. So little over 100 years in existence on the land is hardly millennia, and the places they now claim were Jewish owned until 1948 when they evicted the Jews from their properties in Jerusalem, Hebron and other parts of the west bank.
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Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solutio
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solution, so Arafat's Russian handlers told him to take the name Palestinian as a means of giving their terrorism some credibility. That is what you are defending a communist backed international terrorist group of psychopathic mass murderers when you flame and bully other posters
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians
now get your history right.
They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".
palestine came from the word philistine...it had nothing to do with a "palestinian" people. they were transjordanian bedouins. and palestine was the name given the region by the british when they occupied the area.
please, do tell us what was the form of government of a palestinian state
who were its trading partners
what did they manufacture/produce
The same old canard again.
Not every "people" had a "nation" and nationhood doesn't define a "people". They are labeled Palestinians now, and they've lived in the region just like the Jews did. Suck it up
Maybe you should suck it up and start looking at the facts
Fact 1 they were never a nation until 1988
Fact 2 they arrived sometime between 1890 and 1967 as illegal immigrants
Fact 3 they called themselves Syrians up until 1960
Fact 4 they have no rights to the land so the UN had to make a special law just for them
Fact 5 the UN gave them their own UN task force that costs in excess of $10 B a year
Fact 6 They exist to murder and fulfil the NAZI final solution of ridding the world of the Jews.
So it seems that you are defending mass murder, illegal land grabs and another holocaust
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solutio
Yup.
Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.
Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it
"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
Try learning to read and not flame the other posters.
Before 1960 the only Palestinians were the Jews, as that was the name the arab muslims used much the same way Zionist is used today when talking about Jews. The arab muslims had no name to give to their cause of terrorism and violence to fulfil the Nazi final solution, so Arafat's Russian handlers told him to take the name Palestinian as a means of giving their terrorism some credibility. That is what you are defending a communist backed international terrorist group of psychopathic mass murderers when you flame and bully other posters
Nope Israel was born out of a need for a stable homeland for the Jews. This was achieved when the British defeated the Ottoman empire and took all of its lands as spoils of war. The main objective as stated in the LoN charter was to give the Jews their homeland as agreed by the British and the sharrif of Mecca. rom 1920 the arab muslims started terrorising the M.E. in protest at the plan, so that is were and when the terrorism started with the arab muslims. It did not start with the Jews.
I am the first to denounce Jewish transgressions and atrocities yet I have never been called anti semitic by any Jews. I have been called anti semitic by neo Marxists and islamonazis for telling the truth. So go figure why that is. Singling out the Jews for special treatment as in your video is RACISM and ANTI SEMITISM
NOPE but taking the word of one that says what you want to hear is anti semitic, more so when you forget to mention that he was proven wrong and that his methods were called into question.
Another idiot that cant read.
Britain gave nothing away it was the LEGAL LAND OWNERS that gave the land to arab muslims and the Jews. And it was the Jews that owned most of the land at the time. Try reading the real history books and not those written by islamonazis for illiterate propagandists
And your post is ANTI SEMITIC as you are singling out the Jews for special attention without posting any balance
Try goikng on a remedial English course so you can better understand what constitutes RACISM and ANTI SEMITISM
Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
This isn't about genetics.
This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.
Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.
Next slide, please.
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