If science discovers that Israeli Jews are not the Jews of the Bible

[eots]

You actually are a follower of this anti-Semitic crackpot? Not surprising since you always showed yourself to be anti-Semitic.

http://www.therefinersfire.org/texe_marrs.htm

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

lmao... alex jones, the rabid conspiracy theorist. gotta love it.

as are the jewish genetic researchers he is reporting on right ? or let me guess...they are self loathing jews..lmao

Try goikng on a remedial English course so you can better understand what constitutes RACISM and ANTI SEMITISM

whats the hell is a goikng ????

 

[Challenger]

Scientists usually don’t call each other “liars” and “frauds.”

But that’s how Johns Hopkins University post-doctoral researcher Eran Elhaik describes a group of widely respected geneticists, including Harry Ostrer, professor of pathology and genetics at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and author of the 2012 book “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People.”

Jews a Race Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert Forward.com


Read more: Jews a Race Genetic Theory Comes Under Fierce Attack by DNA Expert Forward.com

Didn't he have to back down when the full details were shown and that he had used flawed methods

Nope, he's still going strong. His methods were criticised by the usual suspects, but that's to be expected; reputations at stake and all that. He's one of many scientists that are taking another look at genetic studies carried out by Jewish geneticists, that tried to "prove" a genetic link to ancient Hebrews. Shlomo Sand has described some of these "studies" as loosing an arrow, seeing where it lands and then painting the target around it, to score a bullseye.

Ha ha ha. Shlomo Sand is an author not a geneticist, and far from an authority on Jewish heritage and ancestry, he's just an Israeli leftist nutjob who makes money bashing his country. We have them here too.

Not an author, an Emeritus Professor. Not a geneticist, true but knows enough about how Zionism perverts science to follow it's political ideology to comment on it. Certainly left wing in his views, but that's got nothing to do with his scholarship. http://humanities.tau.ac.il/segel/shlomosa/

 

[Challenger]

homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity

you mean like hitler's Idea of an all white christian nation ?

All Aryan, please. Aryans were to be the master race and everyone else "untermenschen", you can't help but notice the similarities in ideologies between the herrenvolk of nazi Germany and the herrenvolk of Zionist Israel, although Zionist israel maintains the fig leaf of "democracy" to make it more palatble to the West.

 

[Challenger]

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

lmao... alex jones, the rabid conspiracy theorist. gotta love it.

as are the jewish genetic researchers he is reporting on right ? or let me guess...they are self loathing jews..lmao

Try goikng on a remedial English course so you can better understand what constitutes RACISM and ANTI SEMITISM

whats the hell is a goikng ????

Typo when put under pressure by a supervisor/handler/controller.

 

[Challenger]

Science has confirmed the linkage between today's Jews and the ancient Hebrews many times.

Common genetic threads link thousands of years of Jewish ancestry -- ScienceDaily

Common genetic threads link thousands of years of Jewish ancestry

"Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations," says senior study author, Dr. Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics, pathology and medicine and director of the Human Genetics Program at NYU Langone Medical Center.

"Our study demonstrated that the studied Jewish populations represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters with genetic threads that weave them together," added Dr. Gil Atzmonl assistant professor of medicine and genetics at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University, the study's lead author. "These threads were observed as identical strands of DNA that were shared within and between Jewish groups. Thus, over the past 3000 years, both the flow of genes and the flow of religious and cultural ideas have contributed to Jewishness."

To better understand the relatedness of current Jewish groups, Dr. Ostrer and colleagues performed a genome wide analysis of Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi Jews and compared these results with non-Jewish groups. The researchers identified distinct Jewish population clusters that each exhibited a shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations and variable degrees of European and North African genetic intermingling.

The history of Jewish people could be found in their genomes. The two major groups, Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, were timed to have diverged from each other approximately 2500 years ago. Southern European populations show the greatest proximity to Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Italian Jews, reflecting the large-scale southern European conversion and admixture known to have occurred over 2,000 years ago during the formation of the European Jewry. An apparent North African ancestry component was also observed as was present in the Sephardic groups potentially reflecting gene flow from Moorish to Jewish populations in Spain from 711 to 1492. The structure of the genomes of Ashkenazi Jewish populations indicates a severe bottleneck followed by expansion during the 19th century when the Jewish population in western and eastern Europe increased about twice as fast as the non-Jewish population. This has been referred to as "the demographic miracle." Within every Jewish group, there was a high degree of relatedness between any two of its members. For Ashkenazi Jews, the relatedness was similar to what one might observe for fifth cousins.

Dr. Ostrer noted, "The study supports the idea of a Jewish people linked by a shared genetic history. Yet the admixture with European people explains why so many European and Syrian Jews have blue eyes and blonde hair. "

The researchers include Gil Atzmon, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; Li Hao, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Itsik Pe'er, Columbia University, New York, NY; Christopher Velez, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Alexander Pearlman, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Pier Francesco Palamara, Columbia University, New York, NY; Bernice Morrow, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; Eitan Friedman, Tel-Aviv University, Tel-Aviv, Israel; Carole Oddoux, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Edward Burns, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and Harry Ostrer, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY.

Out of date study.

 

[Challenger]

The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.

But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

That may have been the ideal in 1896, the reality is somewhat different.

"The Supreme Court’s refusal on Wednesday to approve the petition of 21 Israeli citizens who sought to be recognized as members of the “Israeli” nation rather than the Jewish one, and to change the way their nationality is recorded in the Population Registry accordingly, is yet another indication that the civic struggle over the nature of the State of Israel has so far failed. Sixty-five years after the state’s establishment, its authorities still don’t recognize an Israeli nationality independent of religious or ethnic affiliation." Advertisement

 

[Challenger]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Ah, the standard reponse of the Zionist, fatuous accusations of Anti-Semitism, blah, blah.

 

[Challenger]

The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.

But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

It doesn't alter the concept of rights to be there.

What rights and when did they become accepted as rights ?

Look up "Ius Soli," and "Ius Sanguinis"

 

[Phoenall]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

And that is how all decent human beings should be talking to the NAZIS, MUSLIMS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS

 

[Phoenall]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Ah, the standard reponse of the Zionist, fatuous accusations of Anti-Semitism, blah, blah.

Followed by the standard response of the anti semitic Jew hater to cover their racism

 

[Challenger]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it

there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.

No such thing as a Jordanian until 1946 or an Israeli until 1948, before that they were all Palestinians.

 

[jillian]

get your facts straight

Emirate of Transjordan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

again, what was the form of government of so-called "palestinians"

who was their head of state?

who were their trading partners?

yadda yadda...

there is no such thing as a palestinian.

 

[Challenger]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it

"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years

First known mention of the existance of Palestine was in Egypt 1150BCE, that gives Palestinians a 3164 year old history.

 

[Challenger]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

And that is how all decent human beings should be talking to the NAZIS, MUSLIMS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS

...and ZIONISTS

 

[Challenger]

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
PNAS
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences)

""... A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora.

Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were Not significantly different from one another at the genetic level.
Admixture estimates suggested Low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities.

A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively Tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians.

Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora....."
[....]
Evidence for Common Jewish Origins.

Several lines of evidence support the hypothesis that Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors. First, six of the seven Jewish populations analyzed here formed a relatively tight cluster in the MDS analysis (Fig. 2). The only exception was the Ethiopian Jews, who were affiliated more closely with non-Jewish Ethiopians and other North Africans. ...

Second, despite their high degree of geographic dispersion, Jewish populations from Europe, North Africa, and the Near East were less diverged genetically from each other than any other group of populations in this study (Table 2). The statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distances in our non-Jewish populations from Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa is suggestive of spatial differentiation, whereas the lack of such a correlation for Jewish populations is more compatible with a model of recent dispersal and subsequent isolation during and after the Diaspora..""
[....]
Middle Eastern Affinities.
A Middle Eastern origin of the Jewish gene pool is generally assumed because of the detailed documentation of Jewish history and religion. There are not many genetic studies that have attempted to infer the genetic relationships among Diaspora Jews and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations. A number of earlier studies found evidence for Middle Eastern affinities of Jewish genes (4, 5, 7, 51); however, results have depended to a great extent on which loci were being compared, possibly because of the confounding effects of selection (4). Although the NRY tends to behave as a single genetic locus (52), the DNA results presented here are less likely to be biased by selective effects. The extremely close affinity of Jewish and non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations observed here (Tables 2 and 3) Supports the hypothesis of a Common Middle Eastern origin. Of the Middle Eastern populations included in this study, only the Syrian and Palestinian samples mapped within the central cluster of Jewish populations (Fig. 2)...."

again, above excerpted from the longer:
Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes ? PNAS

Another out of date study.

 

[Phoenall]

what right did britain have to give away someone else's land ?

Another idiot that cant read.

Britain gave nothing away it was the LEGAL LAND OWNERS that gave the land to arab muslims and the Jews. And it was the Jews that owned most of the land at the time. Try reading the real history books and not those written by islamonazis for illiterate propagandists

I,see so who were these LEGAL LAND OWNERS and under whose
authority ?

The League of Nations that won the land when they beat the former owners the Ottoman empire in a war. They signed a treaty of surrender giving all the former land of the Ottoman empire to the LoN as was customary under International law at that time. Now don't tray and confuse the issue by claiming 1948 International law has to be applied retrospectively as that will not work.

 

[Challenger]

And your post is ANTI SEMITIC as you are singling out the Jews for special attention without posting any balance

This forum is about Israel and Palestine.

 

[Challenger]

what right did britain have to give away someone else's land ?

Another idiot that cant read.

Britain gave nothing away it was the LEGAL LAND OWNERS that gave the land to arab muslims and the Jews. And it was the Jews that owned most of the land at the time. Try reading the real history books and not those written by islamonazis for illiterate propagandists

I,see so who were these LEGAL LAND OWNERS and under whose
authority ?

The League of Nations that won the land when they beat the former owners the Ottoman empire in a war. They signed a treaty of surrender giving all the former land of the Ottoman empire to the LoN as was customary under International law at that time. Now don't tray and confuse the issue by claiming 1948 International law has to be applied retrospectively as that will not work.

The League of Nations had no legal standing to own any land whatsoever. ..Edit..

 

[Phoenall]

do you stay or go?...

This isn't about genetics.

This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.

Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.

Next slide, please.

So if genetics have been taken out of the equation what greater right does a european immigrant have over the millions of palestinians living there ?

Simple the right of land ownership bequeathed by the lands legal owners at the time. So the fact the Jews of the world were given citizenship by the land owners means that they have a greater right than some nomadic squatters that came on the promise of work

 

[Phoenall]

homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity

you mean like hitler's Idea of an all white christian nation ?

NOPE read the tenents of the Zionist movement that very clearly states


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896