If science discovers that Israeli Jews are not the Jews of the Bible

Science has confirmed the linkage between today's Jews and the ancient Hebrews many times.

Common genetic threads link thousands of years of Jewish ancestry -- ScienceDaily

Common genetic threads link thousands of years of Jewish ancestry

"Previous genetic studies of blood group and serum markers suggested that Jewish groups had Middle Eastern origin with greater genetic similarity between paired Jewish populations," says senior study author, Dr. Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics, pathology and medicine and director of the Human Genetics Program at NYU Langone Medical Center.

"Our study demonstrated that the studied Jewish populations represent a series of geographical isolates or clusters with genetic threads that weave them together," added Dr. Gil Atzmonl assistant professor of medicine and genetics at Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University, the study's lead author. "These threads were observed as identical strands of DNA that were shared within and between Jewish groups. Thus, over the past 3000 years, both the flow of genes and the flow of religious and cultural ideas have contributed to Jewishness."

To better understand the relatedness of current Jewish groups, Dr. Ostrer and colleagues performed a genome wide analysis of Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi Jews and compared these results with non-Jewish groups. The researchers identified distinct Jewish population clusters that each exhibited a shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations and variable degrees of European and North African genetic intermingling.

The history of Jewish people could be found in their genomes. The two major groups, Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, were timed to have diverged from each other approximately 2500 years ago. Southern European populations show the greatest proximity to Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Italian Jews, reflecting the large-scale southern European conversion and admixture known to have occurred over 2,000 years ago during the formation of the European Jewry. An apparent North African ancestry component was also observed as was present in the Sephardic groups potentially reflecting gene flow from Moorish to Jewish populations in Spain from 711 to 1492. The structure of the genomes of Ashkenazi Jewish populations indicates a severe bottleneck followed by expansion during the 19th century when the Jewish population in western and eastern Europe increased about twice as fast as the non-Jewish population. This has been referred to as "the demographic miracle." Within every Jewish group, there was a high degree of relatedness between any two of its members. For Ashkenazi Jews, the relatedness was similar to what one might observe for fifth cousins.

Dr. Ostrer noted, "The study supports the idea of a Jewish people linked by a shared genetic history. Yet the admixture with European people explains why so many European and Syrian Jews have blue eyes and blonde hair. "

The researchers include Gil Atzmon, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; Li Hao, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Itsik Pe'er, Columbia University, New York, NY; Christopher Velez, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Alexander Pearlman, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Pier Francesco Palamara, Columbia University, New York, NY; Bernice Morrow, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; Eitan Friedman, Tel-Aviv University, Tel-Aviv, Israel; Carole Oddoux, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY; Edward Burns, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and Harry Ostrer, New York University School of Medicine, New York, NY.
 
The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.



But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896
 
The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.



But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

It doesn't alter the concept of rights to be there.
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.
 
The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.



But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

It doesn't alter the concept of rights to be there.




What rights and when did they become accepted as rights ?
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:
 
The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.



But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

It doesn't alter the concept of rights to be there.




What rights and when did they become accepted as rights ?

The same rights as the Jews.
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:


there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:




"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:




"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years


And there you go - a perfect example of what I was saying. Somehow Phoenall believes that the only inhabitants in "Palestine" prior to 1960 were Jews and the "Palestinians" appeared out of no where in 1960 - poof - just like that.
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:


there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.


They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".
 
do you stay or go?




So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.


But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.



Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:


there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.


They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".


palestine came from the word philistine...it had nothing to do with a "palestinian" people. they were transjordanian bedouins. and palestine was the name given the region by the british when they occupied the area.

please, do tell us what was the form of government of a palestinian state
who were its trading partners
what did they manufacture/produce
 
So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.


Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:

there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.

They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".

palestine came from the word philistine...it had nothing to do with a "palestinian" people. they were transjordanian bedouins. and palestine was the name given the region by the british when they occupied the area.

please, do tell us what was the form of government of a palestinian state
who were its trading partners
what did they manufacture/produce

The same old canard again.

Not every "people" had a "nation" and nationhood doesn't define a "people". They are labeled Palestinians now, and they've lived in the region just like the Jews did. Suck it up
 
So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.


Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it :dunno:

there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.

They were Palestinians. They just didn't have that label. What you call them is irrelevant. They lived there for over a millinium. Originall - Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze etc were ALL "Palestinians".

palestine came from the word philistine...it had nothing to do with a "palestinian" people. they were transjordanian bedouins. and palestine was the name given the region by the british when they occupied the area.

please, do tell us what was the form of government of a palestinian state
who were its trading partners
what did they manufacture/produce
 
In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger
The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”

PressTV-No more Israel in 10 years Kissinger

Of course, Kissinger has stated unequivocally that he never said that but you've never been one to bother with the truth.
 
In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger
The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”

PressTV-No more Israel in 10 years Kissinger

Of course, Kissinger has stated unequivocally that he never said that but you've never been one to bother with the truth.

Quoting Iranian state media? Not a good tract record for the truth.
 
In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger
The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”

PressTV-No more Israel in 10 years Kissinger

Of course, Kissinger has stated unequivocally that he never said that but you've never been one to bother with the truth.

Quoting Iranian state media? Not a good tract record for the truth.
so are you denying kissinger's statement would you like the statement from another source ?
 
In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger
The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”

PressTV-No more Israel in 10 years Kissinger

Of course, Kissinger has stated unequivocally that he never said that but you've never been one to bother with the truth.
kissinger did or was it his ex-staffer ?
Kissinger staffer Ex-secretary of state didn t make no Israel quote The Times of Israel
 
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