If science discovers that Israeli Jews are not the Jews of the Bible

[Challenger]

do you stay or go?...

This isn't about genetics.

This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.

Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.

Next slide, please.

So if genetics have been taken out of the equation what greater right does a european immigrant have over the millions of palestinians living there ?

Simple the right of land ownership bequeathed by the lands legal owners at the time. So the fact the Jews of the world were given citizenship by the land owners means that they have a greater right than some nomadic squatters that came on the promise of work

 

[Phoenall]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

And that is how all decent human beings should be talking to the NAZIS, MUSLIMS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS

...and ZIONISTS

Is it care to define in your own words what you mean by Zionists as I doubt it would be this


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

 

[Phoenall]

And your post is ANTI SEMITIC as you are singling out the Jews for special attention without posting any balance

This forum is about Israel and Palestine.

And how does that stop the posts from team Palestine being anti semitic ?

 

[Challenger]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

And that is how all decent human beings should be talking to the NAZIS, MUSLIMS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS

...and ZIONISTS

Is it care to define in your own words what you mean by Zionists as I doubt it would be this


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

Another fairy story and exercise in Utopianism; means nothing.

 

[Phoenall]

do you stay or go?...

This isn't about genetics.

This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.

Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.

Next slide, please.

So if genetics have been taken out of the equation what greater right does a european immigrant have over the millions of palestinians living there ?

Simple the right of land ownership bequeathed by the lands legal owners at the time. So the fact the Jews of the world were given citizenship by the land owners means that they have a greater right than some nomadic squatters that came on the promise of work

No international law as it applied in 1920 till 1945

 

[Phoenall]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

And that is how all decent human beings should be talking to the NAZIS, MUSLIMS and WHITE SUPREMACISTS

...and ZIONISTS

Is it care to define in your own words what you mean by Zionists as I doubt it would be this


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

Another fairy story and exercise in Utopianism; means nothing.

Only to you when it destroys your concepts and POV

 

[Phoenall]

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

lmao... alex jones, the rabid conspiracy theorist. gotta love it.

as are the jewish genetic researchers he is reporting on right ? or let me guess...they are self loathing jews..lmao

Try goikng on a remedial English course so you can better understand what constitutes RACISM and ANTI SEMITISM

whats the hell is a goikng ????

A typo, but you knew that and used it as a hammer to crack a nut. Typical left wing practise when being beaten in debate is to find fault. Try taking the k out

 

[Phoenall]

homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity

you mean like hitler's Idea of an all white christian nation ?

All Aryan, please. Aryans were to be the master race and everyone else "untermenschen", you can't help but notice the similarities in ideologies between the herrenvolk of nazi Germany and the herrenvolk of Zionist Israel, although Zionist israel maintains the fig leaf of "democracy" to make it more palatble to the West.

Still waiting for you to define Zionism and what it means to you, going on your posts it seems that you are mixing up Islamic practises with Nazi practises and claiming that is what Zionism has always been

 

[Phoenall]

The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.

But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

That may have been the ideal in 1896, the reality is somewhat different.

"The Supreme Court’s refusal on Wednesday to approve the petition of 21 Israeli citizens who sought to be recognized as members of the “Israeli” nation rather than the Jewish one, and to change the way their nationality is recorded in the Population Registry accordingly, is yet another indication that the civic struggle over the nature of the State of Israel has so far failed. Sixty-five years after the state’s establishment, its authorities still don’t recognize an Israeli nationality independent of religious or ethnic affiliation." Advertisement

So how is that any different to what Herzl advocated as they are still protected and equal before the law. What they advocated would have been dishonourable and made them less than equal before the law.

 

[Phoenall]

The crazy thing is that NONE of this genetic stuff matters.

The facts are:

The Palestinians are there and have been for a long time (regardless of what label you apply)
The Jews have been a sustained presence for a long time as well
At one time the Palestinians were a community that included Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and other religious minorities.
There has been extensive Arab immigration.
There has been extensive European immigration.

So what does that mean in relation to the situation today?

Nothing.

Nada.

You can't say one people has a greater right to be there than the other.

But only one people have accepted the multifaith aspects and stated they will accord each faith the same treatment. In fact it is a basic tenant of Zionism


As Herzl wrote in his book:

“Every man will be as free and undisturbed in his faith or his disbelief as he is in his nationality. And if it should occur that men of other creeds and different nationalities come to live amongst us, we should accord them honorable protection and equality before the law.”

- The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl, 1896

It doesn't alter the concept of rights to be there.

What rights and when did they become accepted as rights ?

Look up "Ius Soli," and "Ius Sanguinis"

So how long has the west bank been part of mainland Europe, and why has the concept been abolished since 2004 ?

So again I ask what rights and when did they become accepted as rights. relative to the M.E.

 

[Phoenall]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it

there is no such thing as a "palestinian". they were jordanians

now get your history right.

No such thing as a Jordanian until 1946 or an Israeli until 1948, before that they were all Palestinians.

Correct and under the protection of the British through the Mandate.

 

[Phoenall]

do you stay or go?

So what?

There is no way to definitively know events that took place over 3000 years or more ago and it's irrelevent to what's going on today.

But as we all know, there are some here (like Eots and theLiq) who are obsessed with Jooos and the centuries old anti-Semitic movement to discredit, discard, dismember, or otherwise dis them. We even have a name for these posters.

Yup.

Each side tries to use genetics to claim one or the other are "foreigners". They aren't. Jews have maintained a presence there for thousands of years. So have "Palestinians". Essentially - it's brothers squabbling with brothers over the same piece of land. Genetics are fascinating in and of themselves but useless in trying to establish territorial claims based on events thousands of years ago and arguments based on them are transparent attempts to disenfranchise one or the other groups.

Yet...people spend an inordinate amount of time on it

"Palestinians" have only been in existence since 1960, before then they were called Syrians. Even if they go back to their origins they only have a life of under 1400 years

First known mention of the existance of Palestine was in Egypt 1150BCE, that gives Palestinians a 3164 year old history.

But not the arab muslims who were not invented until 627 C.E. And by the way it give the name a 3164 year history not the land or the people who take the name.

 

[SAYIT]

You actually are a follower of this anti-Semitic crackpot? Not surprising since you always showed yourself to be anti-Semitic.

http://www.therefinersfire.org/texe_marrs.htm

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

You showed your hand to be the anti-Semite we knew you to be by dragging up the anti-Semite Texe Marrs.

They do try so hard. Sadly they don't put as much effort into the truth.
Hate is a horrible thing.

For peeps like Eots and theLiq, hate is the only thing.

 

[SAYIT]

Except the people here who recognize your hate - not that you try to hide it - aren't necessarily Jewish.

 

[SAYIT]

palestine came from the word philistine...it had nothing to do with a "palestinian" people. they were transjordanian bedouins. and palestine was the name given the region by the british when they occupied the area.

please, do tell us what was the form of government of a palestinian state
who were its trading partners
what did they manufacture/produce

You actually are a follower of this anti-Semitic crackpot? Not surprising since you always showed yourself to be anti-Semitic.

http://www.therefinersfire.org/texe_marrs.htm

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

lmao... alex jones, the rabid conspiracy theorist. gotta love it.

Hey ... if it sells T-shirts and DVDs to small-minded peeps like (Id)eots and 9/11HandJob, what's the harm?

 

[SAYIT]

You actually are a follower of this anti-Semitic crackpot? Not surprising since you always showed yourself to be anti-Semitic.

http://www.therefinersfire.org/texe_marrs.htm

Alex jones sure has a lot of jewish guest on for a anti- semite

lmao... alex jones, the rabid conspiracy theorist. gotta love it.

For all we know, eots will soon be dragging up David Duke along with Texe Marrs. I guess an anti-Semite like eots doesn't change his stripes.

Why would he? It makes him feel good. BTW, Odeous is extolling the "virtues" of David Duke on another thread. Our Nazi-types are addicted to their hate for Jooos.

 

[Kondor3]

do you stay or go?...

This isn't about genetics.

This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.

Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.

Next slide, please.

So if genetics have been taken out of the equation what greater right does a european immigrant have over the millions of palestinians living there ?

1. The older claim of a vastly older religion

2. force of arms

3. the support of good and powerful friends - motivated by memories of 6,000,000 of them being slaughtered by Euro-Trash within Living Memory.

4. courage (a.k.a. 'balls')

5. their say-so

6. fait accompli

========================================

The lesson of the so-called 'nakba', a.k.a. The Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948?

"He who pees his pants, then runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day".

Their own cowardly nature has cause Mother Nature to de-select the Palestinians.

Evolution continues apace.

The Universe continues to unfold as it should.

========================================

Next slide, please.

 

[Kondor3]

do you stay or go?...

This isn't about genetics.

This is about establishing and sustaining a homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity.

Now that genetics (and science) have been taken out of the equation, the question is now moot.

Next slide, please.

arent the majority of israelis secular ?

Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

Which is why I included "spiritual" affinity as well as "religious" affinity in the statement.

"Spiritual" - as in true spirituality; including cultural and familial and tribal and heritage-based affinities.

 

[Kondor3]

homeland based upon religious and spiritual affinity

you mean like hitler's Idea of an all white christian nation ?

Nope.

As in a predominantly Jewish nation, incorporating people of all colors, and remarkably tolerant of a diversity of religions openly and publicly practiced on its soil...

Unlike some of its nearby Islamic neighbors, most especially Saudi Arabia, the Mothership of Islam...

For example...

Here is one of three mosques that I found on the Internet within the boundaries of Tel-Aviv (out of dozens scattered throughout the tiny State of Israel)...

Here is one of a dozen or more mosques that I found on the Internet within the boundaries of Jerusalem (the most famous of them)...

Now...

For some reason, I was unable to find a photo of a synagogue in Riyadh or Mecca or Medinah...

And, for some reason, I was even unable to find a photo of a church in Riyadh or Mecca or Medinah...

Or anywhere in Saudi Arabia (Islam's "spiritual home-land"), for some reason...

I wonder why?

Whooops... never mind... I remember now...

Freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Religious segregation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Silly, silly me... sorry... my bad.

Islam has its 'spiritual home-land' (Saudi Arabia)...

Christian has its 'spiritual home-land' (Europe at-large, and, most specifically, Rome, and Worms, and Canterbury, etc.)...

Imagine those uppity Jews, wanting a 'spiritual home-land' of their own, on the soil where their own religion took root !

 

[Hossfly]

Alex jones...'If you want to kill jews you will have to kill me"

eots, you can post ten thousand videos. It doesn't mean that you are not the anti-Semite that many of us know you to be.