If Progressives win the Culture War, would we still be living in a Free Society?

[JoeB131]

What percentage did Trump get in 2016 ? He was turning it around like it should be, but of course the leftist lies and coup finally brainwashed the weak into falling back into line, and into their leftist liberal white former slave owner's racist back pockets again.

Except Trump was never "turning it around". He got 46.1% of the popular vote in 2016 and 46.8% in 2020. Of the African American Vote, he got 12% of the African American vote and 32% of the Hispanic vote. Slightly better than he did in 2016 with 8% and 28% respectively. But that had more to do with incumbancy than him "turning it around." Shit, Jerry Ford got 48% of the vote in 1976 after pardoning Nixon and letting Saigon fall.

How Groups Voted in 2020 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

Demographic Group Biden Trump SEX Men 48 45 53 Women 52 57 42 RACE White 67 41

ropercenter.cornell.edu

How Groups Voted in 2016 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

ropercenter.cornell.edu

So the cover up is now big time in play according to this Joe character eh ? Well they better hurry and do what the authoritarian communist like the Russian president has done when he was KGB, otherwise to cover their tracks quickly.

Or just realize the the Hunter Laptop is a big nothingburger.

 

[22lcidw]

Except Trump was never "turning it around". He got 46.1% of the popular vote in 2016 and 46.8% in 2020. Of the African American Vote, he got 12% of the African American vote and 32% of the Hispanic vote. Slightly better than he did in 2016 with 8% and 28% respectively. But that had more to do with incumbancy than him "turning it around." Shit, Jerry Ford got 48% of the vote in 1976 after pardoning Nixon and letting Saigon fall.

How Groups Voted in 2020 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

Demographic Group Biden Trump SEX Men 48 45 53 Women 52 57 42 RACE White 67 41

ropercenter.cornell.edu

How Groups Voted in 2016 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

ropercenter.cornell.edu

Or just realize the the Hunter Laptop is a big nothingburger.

We are not free. It is with the elite's benevolence that we have the assumption of that.

 

[CowboyTed]

Thank G-d, Elon Musk now owns Twitter. But a won battle is not a won war. Progressives can still win the Culture War.

The year is 2030. All Social Media and all Internet Hosts have been pressured by Progressives to ban any material Progressives find offensive. The First Amendment is intact, yet no material critical of Progressives can be posted anywhere on the Internet. Is it still a Free Society?

Well Europe is more progressive than US...

The most progressive countries in Europe have higher personal freedom than US..

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www.cato.org

We are talking countries like Nordics....

But lets look at the more progressive states

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www.freedominthe50states.org

Yes that is Texas in the bottom 5 and most of the South in the bottom half...

So the right bitch about loosing their freedoms when they actually are the biggest offenders of taking away freedoms...

So I call this

 

[Moonglow]

Thank G-d, Elon Musk now owns Twitter. But a won battle is not a won war. Progressives can still win the Culture War.

The year is 2030. All Social Media and all Internet Hosts have been pressured by Progressives to ban any material Progressives find offensive. The First Amendment is intact, yet no material critical of Progressives can be posted anywhere on the Internet. Is it still a Free Society?

When have we ever lived in a free society?

 

[DBA]

Actually, the only record you have of when a file was altered is the time stamp record, which can be changed if you really know what you are doing.

You can absolutlely tell if a file was photoshopped. It is all but impossible to create the exact same saturation, luminance, etc. from one photo to another. In short, the pictures are real, no matter where they originated. For the sake of argument, if they were copied to the laptop in effort to make Hunter look bad, does it really matter if the pictures are authentic? Legally, maybe, ethically, not one bit.

Sorry, man, unflattering selfies isn't proof of a crime.

Right, you don’t really care if your leaders are pedos and crack addicts. Who cares, right? Before you say it, I know that Hunter is not the President, but when such a scum bag is working for companies and being paid handsomly all while is dad is in a position of influence, one should be curious as to just how far the scumbaggery goes, especially when the dad flat out lies about having contact with his scumbag son’s foreign co-workers. Oh yeah, and the “big guy” comments along with ole Joe talking about witholding money from his son’s company unless the prosecuter investigating that company is fired. Yeah, just a little smoke for those that are the least bit curious.

No court would accept those hard drives without more evidence, like a bill of sale showing that particular laptop was purchased by Hunter or his company, or his fingerprints or DNA on the laptop. No one has offered such evidence.

They have his verified signature from the computer shop, so he dropped something off. Now, lets assume that he dropped off a different laptop or that pictures and local emails were added. You see, it doesn’t really matter because the pictures can be verified as can the emails. The actual source doesn’t matter. The only out you nuts really have is that the corrupt DOJ won’t prosecute their dear leader’s son and certainly don’t want the dear leader himself implicated. The thing is, the sheep that follow these imbeciles wouldn’t even know because the mainstream media would likely ignore it, much like they dod the Twitter files showing the FBI colluding with social media to influence an election. Nothing to see here.

Or that if the unverified laptop did turn out to be fake, (which it is),

But is isn’t, which is exactly why the FBI hasn’t come out and said that. They can’t, because the disk was copied(low level copied) so they even have a problem they can’t get around. Don’t be so naive

 

[beagle9]

Well Europe is more progressive than US...

The most progressive countries in Europe have higher personal freedom than US..

Loading…

www.cato.org

We are talking countries like Nordics....

But lets look at the more progressive states

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www.freedominthe50states.org

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Yes that is Texas in the bottom 5 and most of the South in the bottom half...

So the right bitch about loosing their freedoms when they actually are the biggest offenders of taking away freedoms...

So I call this

Your words might ring true if they were true, but what you don't realize is that this is only the beginning of the leftist push towards an authoritarian dictatorship. They absolutely have to foster it, because what they have decided to do within their lives absolutely demands it. Anyone who can't see it is a complete brainwashed minion or part of the group's who are now pushing the agenda's.

Enjoy your authoritarianism and communist style new nation of dumb ace's, because trust me you will regret it unless you are part of it.

 

[Man of Ethics]

When have we ever lived in a free society?

I guess 1980s. I am not sure.

 

[Curried Goats]

We are not free. It is with the elite's benevolence that we have the assumption of that.

You cuck whites are losing only because your racism is getting in the way of alligning you with the poor black and brown masses who have also been victimized by the crony capitalist elites.

 

[BlindBoo]

All of them imposed Censorship on existing Media. Social Media did not exist then.

American media is free to self censor and diverse enough that finding the story, any story from most any angle, is not hard when the information is not controlled by only three entities. Requiring any media company to publish material it objects to, for what ever reason, is just as bad a government censorship.

 

[JustAGuy1]

You cuck whites are losing only because your racism is getting in the way of alligning you with the poor black and brown masses who have also been victimized by the crony capitalist elites.

Why don't get an education and improve your situation, you aren't getting anything from us.

 

[Curried Goats]

Why don't get an education and improve your situation, you aren't getting anything from us.

We are fact are. Reparations are coming. California is the start. As to the getting an education argument married black families who graduated college and earn high incomes have less wealth on average than a middle class white family with no college education. They are more likely to slip back down the economic ladder during economic down turns and recessions and black families are always the last to recover. The economic disparity between white and black Americans was engineered. Fewer educated black citizens was the goal. We are only just now starting to uncouple public education budgets from property taxes with State and Federal subsidies and the Republican response to this is to try and privatize public education and price even more black families out of opportunity.

 

[Man of Ethics]

We are fact are. Reparations are coming. California is the start. As to the getting an education argument married black families who graduated college and earn high incomes have less wealth on average than a middle class white family with no college education. They are more likely to slip back down the economic ladder during economic down turns and recessions and black families are always the last to recover. The economic disparity between white and black Americans was engineered. Fewer educated black citizens was the goal. We are only just now starting to uncouple public education budgets from property taxes with State and Federal subsidies and the Republican response to this is to try and privatize public education and price even more black families out of opportunity.

I agree with you on this issue, even though we disagree on some other issues.

My own great-grandparents worked to build Soviet Russia. Descendants of Russian Serfs did get Reparations in 1918-1920.

Totalitarian Stalinism came only after Jewish people were pushed out of power. My own great-grandparents (Jewish 100%) and most other Jews worked for a Free Society -- sadly USSR became Totalitarian in 1930s.

 

[JustAGuy1]

We are fact are. Reparations are coming. California is the start. As to the getting an education argument married black families who graduated college and earn high incomes have less wealth on average than a middle class white family with no college education. They are more likely to slip back down the economic ladder during economic down turns and recessions and black families are always the last to recover. The economic disparity between white and black Americans was engineered. Fewer educated black citizens was the goal. We are only just now starting to uncouple public education budgets from property taxes with State and Federal subsidies and the Republican response to this is to try and privatize public education and price even more black families out of opportunity.

CA is an aberration, the norm. You Blue State do whatever you wan, the rest of ain't playin. We're tired of people like you and IM2 standing there with your hand out.

 

[Curried Goats]

CA is an aberration, the norm. You Blue State do whatever you wan, the rest of ain't playin. We're tired of people like you and IM2 standing there with your hand out.

You are tired. Too tired to fight back effectively. California's population is spreading out to the red states. Your defeat is only a matter of time.

 

[JoeB131]

You can absolutlely tell if a file was photoshopped. It is all but impossible to create the exact same saturation, luminance, etc. from one photo to another. In short, the pictures are real, no matter where they originated. For the sake of argument, if they were copied to the laptop in effort to make Hunter look bad, does it really matter if the pictures are authentic? Legally, maybe, ethically, not one bit.

This might be true of your photoshop program, but the Russians probably have vastly superior technology for this sort of thing.

If the pictures were faked and they added some fake emails along with the authentic ones, then, yes, it really, really does matter.

Right, you don’t really care if your leaders are pedos and crack addicts. Who cares, right? Before you say it, I know that Hunter is not the President, but when such a scum bag is working for companies and being paid handsomly all while is dad is in a position of influence, one should be curious as to just how far the scumbaggery goes, especially when the dad flat out lies about having contact with his scumbag son’s foreign co-workers. Oh yeah, and the “big guy” comments along with ole Joe talking about witholding money from his son’s company unless the prosecuter investigating that company is fired. Yeah, just a little smoke for those that are the least bit curious.

Every last member of Congress on both sides have relatives who are working for companies that want something from the government. Get fucking real.

The "big reveal" is that a friend of Hunter met Joe ONCE, and Joe doesn't remember because he probably met thousands of people when he was Vice President and that was a decade ago.

They have his verified signature from the computer shop, so he dropped something off. Now, lets assume that he dropped off a different laptop or that pictures and local emails were added. You see, it doesn’t really matter because the pictures can be verified as can the emails. The actual source doesn’t matter. The only out you nuts really have is that the corrupt DOJ won’t prosecute their dear leader’s son and certainly don’t want the dear leader himself implicated. The thing is, the sheep that follow these imbeciles wouldn’t even know because the mainstream media would likely ignore it, much like they dod the Twitter files showing the FBI colluding with social media to influence an election. Nothing to see here.

Actually, it does matter because we have something called "Chain of Custody".

And, yes, the mainstream media isn't under any obligation to follow your bizarre conspiracy theories. Hey, did they ever catch Vince Foster's killer? What? you mean after Ken Starr's 70 million dollar panty sniffing raid, he admitted the Foster killed himself because the Right Wing Media was hounding him.

But is isn’t, which is exactly why the FBI hasn’t come out and said that. They can’t, because the disk was copied(low level copied) so they even have a problem they can’t get around. Don’t be so naive

The problem they can't get around is chain of custody. A legally blind computer shop owner says he has a signature, but no video of Hunter dropping off the laptop. No fingerprints on the laptop belonging to Hunter, no serial number showing that computer was purchased at Best Buy from Hunter.

 

[DBA]

This might be true of your photoshop program, but the Russians probably have vastly superior technology for this sort of thing.

If the pictures were faked and they added some fake emails along with the authentic ones, then, yes, it really, really does matter.



Every last member of Congress on both sides have relatives who are working for companies that want something from the government. Get fucking real.

The "big reveal" is that a friend of Hunter met Joe ONCE, and Joe doesn't remember because he probably met thousands of people when he was Vice President and that was a decade ago.



Actually, it does matter because we have something called "Chain of Custody".

And, yes, the mainstream media isn't under any obligation to follow your bizarre conspiracy theories. Hey, did they ever catch Vince Foster's killer? What? you mean after Ken Starr's 70 million dollar panty sniffing raid, he admitted the Foster killed himself because the Right Wing Media was hounding him.



The problem they can't get around is chain of custody. A legally blind computer shop owner says he has a signature, but no video of Hunter dropping off the laptop. No fingerprints on the laptop belonging to Hunter, no serial number showing that computer was purchased at Best Buy from Hunter.

Complete spin…all of it.

It is amazing how far you will go to defend these criminals.

 

[beagle9]

We are fact are. Reparations are coming. California is the start. As to the getting an education argument married black families who graduated college and earn high incomes have less wealth on average than a middle class white family with no college education. They are more likely to slip back down the economic ladder during economic down turns and recessions and black families are always the last to recover. The economic disparity between white and black Americans was engineered. Fewer educated black citizens was the goal. We are only just now starting to uncouple public education budgets from property taxes with State and Federal subsidies and the Republican response to this is to try and privatize public education and price even more black families out of opportunity.

And none of it has a damned thing to do with the long standing clashes existing between character's and culture's eh ? If you say no, then you are being as dishonest as anyone can be here.

Look, some black's don't like some white characteristics and culture, and some white's don't like some black characteristics snd culture, so just as Martin Luther King put it basically, it's not about color, but it is instead more so about character or the culture one assimilates/adapts into whether it be black or white culture crossing over and/or crossing back again.

I agree with King on the character over color thing. We are all human beings, but we differ widely in character whether it be the character of individual's or the character of group's who may join together in order to represent a created group character (gang's and such do this for example).

So in these cultural clashes that take place where there are huge differences in cultural beliefs, and in cultural specific activities, I say we all have to figure it out, and work it out over time and/or through a time continuum to remain united..

We struggle always to hold it all together in this so called melting pot (we have done a damned good job over the year's), because we fight against evilness that resides within the characteristics and specific individual cultural habits found in each group, and so it is that we don't fight over one's color, but we clash over character and cultures..

If a group or maybe just one individual takes up evil, and then it gets other's to follow regardless of what specific individual or group takes it up, then the new inductee or inductees can become guilty by association if not careful (gang's for example have a big problem with this going on).

However we have law's if enforced, that can keep the peace between us all, but if the pandering political elites are then solidified in bad policies and in bad actor's who then administer such policies, otherwise they have highjacked the government somehow in order to turn our good government into a propaganda arm of the ______________x party, then how do we get back our sanity and unity in such a situation ??

It's a constant work that is always in progress (in search of common ground between us all), otherwise we want to gain acceptance whether it's within the so called black communities or within the so called white communities etc, because in the end we are just plain old Americans melting together, and having beliefs that do work to hold us all together if we try..

We must believe in God 1st, and America next, and we must never stop struggling for the same dreams for our children and our American families or neighbors regardless of their color, just as long as they are good people.

That is the key to unlocking the universe for everyone.

Now there are still some differences that don't allow for the culture's to completely mix up depending on their practices and beliefs, otherwise if those differences somehow cause various issue's in which could counter important beliefs that are solid in other's important cultural belief systems.... Otherwise don't be forcing your cultural or religious beliefs on another if they don't want that in their private live's, and therefore respect each other when out in the public square always, but keep the other bull crap at home. How simple can it be ?

Talking culture and character now, and not about skin colors, so just a little reminder in case you are getting a little lost.

So listen, this has nothing to do with skin color (even though mentioned), so don't even go stupid trying to claim that it does. It's never been about Skin color, although amongst white and black people we have the knuckleheads that think that it does have everything to do with skin color.

It really doesn't..

We struggle always due to character's acting in ways that disturb the open armed embracing between individual's/human beings as it may exist between the various group's or Individual's (i.e.like we have with gang's for example, and how they create a culture that requires certain beliefs and hoops to jump through in order to enter in, but it's not for those who don't believe in what they believe to then just bust in to destroy what they built or believe), and so that's really a bad example, but you get the point I guess.

Now when I mention gang's, I ain't talking about the color of any gang member's skin, but rather I'm talking about the clash between the color's of their patches and their belief systems is what leads to the troubles they have.

We all, whether it be black or white, otherwise to be found in our colors there of, should always believe in character, our religion's or religious value's, our culture's, otherwise if they are to survive, and most of all our important American cultural lifestyle's that are being lived together here in America... So it truly matters not what color the individual's are that might try to mess the situation up for all of us in America or maybe it is that they might want to ultimately join in on the harmony of our American beliefs and culture's, otherwise as we witness to them in good character (winning them over), helping them to assimilate into the cultures (which is great), so if we are going to hold onto our religion and cultural beliefs be it as black or white people that have good cultural beliefs, then we have to separate ourselves only in sprit along the cultural lines that are bad of course, but then embrace those cultural lines that are good in all people.

We must fight against evilness that is raging against us or is physically hurting us........ We must separate ourselves physically from any individual or group that is attempting to destroy those things that we believe in (unless the things we believe in are bad), and we should separate ourselves from those individuals or group's that are trying to destroy the things that we love the most in our lives, otherwise just as blacks, whites, Asians etc, who see our Americanism in the same ways (be it of good), we should unite against anyone or any group trying to hurt us or destroy our unity...... We must unite always against evilness together as one.

Acceptance of any culture and it's characteristics needs to be volunteer always, otherwise for the bull crap to finally end, and this way the bull crap ends out of a respect for each others privacy, but certain politician's and powers to be will not foster the type of society that can continue to solve the issue these days, but rather it is that they want to keep stirring it up in order to keep everyone's minds off of the corruption that is being found out now about their bull crap.

Wake up man. I'm going with Martin Luther Kings words when dealing with Godly character and culture regardless of a persons color, and I'm not going with this identity politics or color thing having anything to do with what goes on in the bull crap ever.

Tell me where I'm wrong. Thanks.

 

[Curried Goats]

And none of it has a damned thing to do with the long standing clashes existing between character's and culture's eh ? If you say no, then you are being as dishonest as anyone can be here.

Look, some black's don't like some white characteristics and culture, and some white's don't like some black characteristics snd culture, so just as Martin Luther King put it basically, it's not about color, but it is instead more so about character or the culture one assimilates/adapts into whether it be black or white culture crossing over and/or crossing back again.

I agree with King on the character over color thing. We are all human beings, but we differ widely in character whether it be the character of individual's or the character of group's who may join together in order to represent a created group character (gang's and such do this for example).

So in these cultural clashes that take place where there are huge differences in cultural beliefs, and in cultural specific activities, I say we all have to figure it out, and work it out over time and/or through a time continuum to remain united..

We struggle always to hold it all together in this so called melting pot (we have done a damned good job over the year's), because we fight against evilness that resides within the characteristics and specific individual cultural habits found in each group, and so it is that we don't fight over one's color, but we clash over character and cultures..

If a group or maybe just one individual takes up evil, and then it gets other's to follow regardless of what specific individual or group takes it up, then the new inductee or inductees can become guilty by association if not careful (gang's for example have a big problem with this going on).

However we have law's if enforced, that can keep the peace between us all, but if the pandering political elites are then solidified in bad policies and in bad actor's who then administer such policies, otherwise they have highjacked the government somehow in order to turn our good government into a propaganda arm of the ______________x party, then how do we get back our sanity and unity in such a situation ??

It's a constant work that is always in progress (in search of common ground between us all), otherwise we want to gain acceptance whether it's within the so called black communities or within the so called white communities etc, because in the end we are just plain old Americans melting together, and having beliefs that do work to hold us all together if we try..

We must believe in God 1st, and America next, and we must never stop struggling for the same dreams for our children and our American families or neighbors regardless of their color, just as long as they are good people.

That is the key to unlocking the universe for everyone.

Now there are still some differences that don't allow for the culture's to completely mix up depending on their practices and beliefs, otherwise if those differences somehow cause various issue's in which could counter important beliefs that are solid in other's important cultural belief systems.... Otherwise don't be forcing your cultural or religious beliefs on another if they don't want that in their private live's, and therefore respect each other when out in the public square always, but keep the other bull crap at home. How simple can it be ?

Talking culture and character now, and not about skin colors, so just a little reminder in case you are getting a little lost.

So listen, this has nothing to do with skin color (even though mentioned), so don't even go stupid trying to claim that it does. It's never been about Skin color, although amongst white and black people we have the knuckleheads that think that it does have everything to do with skin color.

It really doesn't..

We struggle always due to character's acting in ways that disturb the open armed embracing between individual's/human beings as it may exist between the various group's or Individual's (i.e.like we have with gang's for example, and how they create a culture that requires certain beliefs and hoops to jump through in order to enter in, but it's not for those who don't believe in what they believe to then just bust in to destroy what they built or believe), and so that's really a bad example, but you get the point I guess.

Now when I mention gang's, I ain't talking about the color of any gang member's skin, but rather I'm talking about the clash between the color's of their patches and their belief systems is what leads to the troubles they have.

We all, whether it be black or white, otherwise to be found in our colors there of, should always believe in character, our religion's or religious value's, our culture's, otherwise if they are to survive, and most of all our important American cultural lifestyle's that are being lived together here in America... So it truly matters not what color the individual's are that might try to mess the situation up for all of us in America or maybe it is that they might want to ultimately join in on the harmony of our American beliefs and culture's, otherwise as we witness to them in good character (winning them over), helping them to assimilate into the cultures (which is great), so if we are going to hold onto our religion and cultural beliefs be it as black or white people that have good cultural beliefs, then we have to separate ourselves only in sprit along the cultural lines that are bad of course, but then embrace those cultural lines that are good in all people.

We must fight against evilness that is raging against us or is physically hurting us........ We must separate ourselves physically from any individual or group that is attempting to destroy those things that we believe in (unless the things we believe in are bad), and we should separate ourselves from those individuals or group's that are trying to destroy the things that we love the most in our lives, otherwise just as blacks, whites, Asians etc, who see our Americanism in the same ways (be it of good), we should unite against anyone or any group trying to hurt us or destroy our unity...... We must unite always against evilness together as one.

Acceptance of any culture and it's characteristics needs to be volunteer always, otherwise for the bull crap to finally end, and this way the bull crap ends out of a respect for each others privacy, but certain politician's and powers to be will not foster the type of society that can continue to solve the issue these days, but rather it is that they want to keep stirring it up in order to keep everyone's minds off of the corruption that is being found out now about their bull crap.

Wake up man. I'm going with Martin Luther Kings words when dealing with Godly character and culture regardless of a persons color, and I'm not going with this identity politics or color thing having anything to do with what goes on in the bull crap ever.

Tell me where I'm wrong. Thanks.

In his I Have Dream speech he called out Alabama with its vicious racists. How do you plan to combat racists if you pretend they don't exist or that opposing them is identity politics?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Thank G-d, Elon Musk now owns Twitter. But a won battle is not a won war. Progressives can still win the Culture War.

The year is 2030. All Social Media and all Internet Hosts have been pressured by Progressives to ban any material Progressives find offensive. The First Amendment is intact, yet no material critical of Progressives can be posted anywhere on the Internet. Is it still a Free Society?

/——-/ The Progressive world abhors freedom except for the leaders.

 

[beagle9]

In his I Have Dream speech he called out Alabama with its vicious racists. How do you plan to combat racists if you pretend they don't exist or that opposing them is identity politics?

So you didn't understand what you actually read in it's entirety I see.

All racist should be called out, but that's already known by everyone.

The other part is the judgement of character that he spoke so perfectly about, and to add to that - we all should be mindful of cultural ACTIVITY that is fostering racism or breeding hateful character's within group's and/or within individual loner's... Now I'm not talking about the fake news racist manipulating lies against good character's that are being attacked by those bull shite lie's, but I'm talking about racism that is pumped up and being lied about by the real racist or bad people in which reside on either side of the coin or on both sides of the isle's. I do believe that the Democrat's are eat up with it the most on their side of the Isle. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.