If lockdowns & masks work, why are the vast majority of Covid deaths in leftist states?

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I'm not even sure what you think you argued. That Texas and Florida don't have major population centers?
None as densely populated as the NY Metro area
I'm saying states should be measured on what's happening NOW, and not what happened a year ago.
New York was hit hard, and hit early. Those numbers are on the record, but don't reflect what's happening in 2021.
Or for most of 2020 as well
Other States also didn't ship covid patients into retirement homes like New York did.

That the one most populous region of the country is the only relevant stat is just a stupid argument and no it doesn't doesn't explain the data.

New Jersey was #1, New York #2 even on a per capita measure. Then #3 is Rhode Island, then Massachusetts.

But New York is the most dense explains it. Sure it does
 

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Both California and New York had subsequent flare ups. So you blame them for that? No, admit you don't. This is just partisan to you.
Just pointing out that Texas is leading in new cases, and new deaths. And based on that Gov Abbot is opening up Texas 100% and dropping all mask requirements.

All while Texas is lagging in vaccinations.

So who is playing politics?
Last week smaller New York was ahead of both Texas and Florida and not just on a per capita basis. This is why your arguing data points is stupid. You just wait until they flip to some data point you want and that's supposed to be an argument
 

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And FLorida has not done well with nursing homes

You are an idiot....Did you even read the title...Florida nursing home deaths Spike (during our short winter here) with all of our elderly snow birds here but remain lower than rest of the nation.

FLORIDA continues to do FUCKING GREAT----with all of our old people here. We got everyone's old higher risk patients but we still keep beating the average. We haven't really locked down, we gather, go out, often don't wear our masks, have lots of visitors, but we still keep the deaths low.
 

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What are you talking about?
You made a stupid claim about immunity with ZERO documentation to back it up.

You're a troll.
Again to believe that is to believe conventional vaccines will not work

Do you believe the conventional vaccines don't work?

Maybe you have some evidence people don't gain any immunity? I'm open to that. But the vaccine trials say taht's not true.

You're basically claiming the sky isn't blue if you really believe immunity isn't the obvious and only reason to expect cases to go down in the west.

You're not very good at this. And clearly do not understand the science here.
 

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Population density

Go figure
I count four red states in your top ten here. Texas and Florida are #2 and #3 respectively.

The states with the largest populations tended to have the most COVID deaths. Some were actually red states...
Population density
Go figure
I'm guessing that's too complicated an answer.
Dems claim rightwingers refuse to wear masks. Then explain why more people died in lefty states.

Bring some science, not "ORANGE MAN BAD"!


StateDeaths /
1M pop
Total
Cases
Confirmed
Cases
Confirmed Case
Fatality Rate
Total Case
Fatality Rate
TestsTests /
1M pop
Confirmed Cases /
1M pop
New
Deaths
Deaths
California1,336-3,563,6181.48%-48,897,1901,237,52190,190-52,782
New York2,470-1,693,5802.84%-38,409,1071,974,40087,058-48,042
Texas1,533-2,672,2661.66%-23,204,166800,25792,160-44,453
Florida1,450-1,918,1001.62%-21,901,6031,019,73589,306-31,142
Pennsylvania1,890-940,8312.57%-10,476,323818,33673,491-24,193
New Jersey2,626-795,7852.93%-10,690,6251,203,60289,593-23,321
Illinois1,800-1,189,4161.92%-18,234,6681,438,99393,863-22,803
Georgia1,646-1,011,8071.73%-7,712,024726,35695,297-17,480
Ohio1,484-970,5831.79%-10,084,481862,72583,033-17,346
Michigan1,657-649,0572.55%-10,985,6141,100,00764,991-16,544
Massachusetts2,329-582,8442.78%-16,317,9372,348,07383,868-16,182
Arizona2,206-818,6701.96%-4,210,980578,533112,474-16,060
Indiana1,875-662,7501.90%-8,056,1121,196,65098,445-12,623
Tennessee1,674-776,3371.47%-6,797,475994,776113,613-11,436
North Carolina1,076-863,4091.31%-10,311,881983,20082,323-11,288
Alabama2,045-497,1542.02%-2,423,471494,265101,394+3810,029
Louisiana2,075-431,2712.24%-6,004,9991,291,73392,771-9,647
Virginia1,048-578,5591.55%-7,547,695884,26967,783-8,943
South Carolina1,666-518,8231.65%-5,999,5331,165,249100,767-8,576
Missouri1,394-522,5811.64%-5,490,487894,59185,147-8,555
Maryland1,310-383,9562.06%-7,948,6271,314,76163,509+147,919
Connecticut2,148-283,1282.70%-6,804,9291,908,66279,412-7,658
Mississippi2,266-295,6752.28%-2,472,673830,83099,348+196,743
Minnesota1,163-485,6551.35%-7,376,4641,307,96986,115-6,558
Wisconsin1,106-564,5921.14%-3,196,304548,96496,968-6,440
Colorado1,035-430,6151.38%-2,585,390448,95174,776-5,959
Iowa1,743-364,8921.51%-4,088,2201,295,762115,653-5,498
Arkansas1,741-322,9491.63%-3,169,4491,050,243107,014-5,254
Washington664-344,6601.47%-5,301,508696,20345,261-5,059
Nevada1,613-294,2891.69%-2,729,627886,19895,544-4,967
Kansas1,630-296,9541.60%-1,259,105432,190101,930-4,750
Kentucky1,046-406,2011.15%-4,521,2491,011,99290,920-4,671
Oklahoma1,146-424,9991.07%-3,516,251888,622107,405-4,534
New Mexico1,784-185,5422.02%-2,710,1511,292,50088,487-3,740
Rhode Island2,384-126,8491.99%-3,022,3062,852,952119,741-2,525
West Virginia1,292-132,4161.74%-2,198,2261,230,02074,094+82,309
Oregon528-156,0371.43%-3,760,400891,56836,995-2,225
Nebraska1,077-201,3461.04%-967,551500,179104,087-2,084
Puerto Rico641-183,4321.12%-464,073145,30957,436+82,048
Utah608-371,9790.52%-3,828,3221,194,127116,027-1,949
South Dakota2,134-112,6521.68%-423,463478,674127,339-1,888
Idaho1,044-171,8361.09%-1,092,871609,83995,887-1,871
North Dakota1,899-99,9571.45%-405,387531,961131,166-1,447
Delaware1,464-87,1931.64%-627,084643,97989,542-1,426
Montana1,284-100,1581.37%-1,081,5621,011,96193,713-1,372
New Hampshire860-75,8031.54%-1,662,7421,222,86455,749-1,170
District of Columbia1,450-40,8182.51%-1,233,9831,748,47357,836+41,023
Maine524-45,0911.56%-1,871,6101,392,34733,545+2705
Wyoming1,178-54,5271.25%-641,3801,108,19994,214-682
Hawaii310-27,6231.59%-1,120,660791,49819,510-439
Alaska409-56,4280.53%-1,704,6602,330,21977,135-299
Vermont330-15,3721.34%-1,078,8401,728,94124,635-20

Population density for one thing. You're pretty dense but even you can figure it out (probably not but there is always hope).

That and your blob's DHS forced everyone returning from overseas--tens of thousands of passengers who were unscreened and untested through 13 major airports. Almost all were in Blue States and every county that had one of these airports was a Covid-19 Hotspot and had an infection spike.

The states with the largest populations tended to have the most COVID deaths. Some were actually red states...
The other factor affecting death rates is when states first got socked with Covid. Early on we didn't know how to treat it or detect early.
The people most vocal about lockdowns and social distancing were silent during BLM protests
Not true
Did anyone see social distancing there?
Yes...and masks...and out doors

I actually attended several BLM marches and yes...masks and social distancing...unlike the Trump rallies. And I called out those cases where people were sloppy about masks and SD on this very forum.
Population density

Go figure
Wow good one. How about lack of population density in the skulls of Dim governors?
Democratic Governors took the hard decisions to shut down when the pandemic hit.

It was Republican Governors who had three months to prepare and left their states vulnerable.
It's the Dems fault nobody wants to live in third world shithole red states (-:
Flu is way down because people are wearing masks following safety measures & more people getting flu shots.
Dems claim rightwingers refuse to wear masks. Then explain why more people died in lefty states.

Bring some science, not "ORANGE MAN BAD"!


StateDeaths /
1M pop
Total
Cases
Confirmed
Cases
Confirmed Case
Fatality Rate
Total Case
Fatality Rate
TestsTests /
1M pop
Confirmed Cases /
1M pop
New
Deaths
Deaths
California1,336-3,563,6181.48%-48,897,1901,237,52190,190-52,782
New York2,470-1,693,5802.84%-38,409,1071,974,40087,058-48,042
Texas1,533-2,672,2661.66%-23,204,166800,25792,160-44,453
Florida1,450-1,918,1001.62%-21,901,6031,019,73589,306-31,142
Pennsylvania1,890-940,8312.57%-10,476,323818,33673,491-24,193
New Jersey2,626-795,7852.93%-10,690,6251,203,60289,593-23,321
Illinois1,800-1,189,4161.92%-18,234,6681,438,99393,863-22,803
Georgia1,646-1,011,8071.73%-7,712,024726,35695,297-17,480
Ohio1,484-970,5831.79%-10,084,481862,72583,033-17,346
Michigan1,657-649,0572.55%-10,985,6141,100,00764,991-16,544
Massachusetts2,329-582,8442.78%-16,317,9372,348,07383,868-16,182
Arizona2,206-818,6701.96%-4,210,980578,533112,474-16,060
Indiana1,875-662,7501.90%-8,056,1121,196,65098,445-12,623
Tennessee1,674-776,3371.47%-6,797,475994,776113,613-11,436
North Carolina1,076-863,4091.31%-10,311,881983,20082,323-11,288
Alabama2,045-497,1542.02%-2,423,471494,265101,394+3810,029
Louisiana2,075-431,2712.24%-6,004,9991,291,73392,771-9,647
Virginia1,048-578,5591.55%-7,547,695884,26967,783-8,943
South Carolina1,666-518,8231.65%-5,999,5331,165,249100,767-8,576
Missouri1,394-522,5811.64%-5,490,487894,59185,147-8,555
Maryland1,310-383,9562.06%-7,948,6271,314,76163,509+147,919
Connecticut2,148-283,1282.70%-6,804,9291,908,66279,412-7,658
Mississippi2,266-295,6752.28%-2,472,673830,83099,348+196,743
Minnesota1,163-485,6551.35%-7,376,4641,307,96986,115-6,558
Wisconsin1,106-564,5921.14%-3,196,304548,96496,968-6,440
Colorado1,035-430,6151.38%-2,585,390448,95174,776-5,959
Iowa1,743-364,8921.51%-4,088,2201,295,762115,653-5,498
Arkansas1,741-322,9491.63%-3,169,4491,050,243107,014-5,254
Washington664-344,6601.47%-5,301,508696,20345,261-5,059
Nevada1,613-294,2891.69%-2,729,627886,19895,544-4,967
Kansas1,630-296,9541.60%-1,259,105432,190101,930-4,750
Kentucky1,046-406,2011.15%-4,521,2491,011,99290,920-4,671
Oklahoma1,146-424,9991.07%-3,516,251888,622107,405-4,534
New Mexico1,784-185,5422.02%-2,710,1511,292,50088,487-3,740
Rhode Island2,384-126,8491.99%-3,022,3062,852,952119,741-2,525
West Virginia1,292-132,4161.74%-2,198,2261,230,02074,094+82,309
Oregon528-156,0371.43%-3,760,400891,56836,995-2,225
Nebraska1,077-201,3461.04%-967,551500,179104,087-2,084
Puerto Rico641-183,4321.12%-464,073145,30957,436+82,048
Utah608-371,9790.52%-3,828,3221,194,127116,027-1,949
South Dakota2,134-112,6521.68%-423,463478,674127,339-1,888
Idaho1,044-171,8361.09%-1,092,871609,83995,887-1,871
North Dakota1,899-99,9571.45%-405,387531,961131,166-1,447
Delaware1,464-87,1931.64%-627,084643,97989,542-1,426
Montana1,284-100,1581.37%-1,081,5621,011,96193,713-1,372
New Hampshire860-75,8031.54%-1,662,7421,222,86455,749-1,170
District of Columbia1,450-40,8182.51%-1,233,9831,748,47357,836+41,023
Maine524-45,0911.56%-1,871,6101,392,34733,545+2705
Wyoming1,178-54,5271.25%-641,3801,108,19994,214-682
Hawaii310-27,6231.59%-1,120,660791,49819,510-439
Alaska409-56,4280.53%-1,704,6602,330,21977,135-299
Vermont330-15,3721.34%-1,078,8401,728,94124,635-20
You dumb son of a bitch. The more population a state has, it is logical the more deaths they will have. To compare apples to apples you need to rank by deaths' per capita. You cannot be this stupid.
Guess who is on top for deaths per capita, Trump country.
You people are liars, you are stupid and you are disgusting. Other than that you are good people.

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Population density

Go figure
You're full of shit. Texas and Florida are larger than New York and have major population centers.

Fake news is your life

Yesterday 275 people died of coronavirus in Texas.

That's more than New York, New Jersey and Connecticut combined.
(watch the loons piss their pink panties)
Do the populations of illiterate, ignorant, careless dark people have anything to do with it?
weird how it's only in white countries this is a problem....?

*looks at the third world*

haha the projection

let the chinese lead you around by the nose then blame the darkies? What teh fuck are you smoking whitey? This is your people's fault
Argue the data with the CDC raghead.
What data?

I'm an Asian we get better results on everything than whites

Have like an 80% acceptance rate for the vaccine. We are the model minority you fucking dolt. And not very fat


While white trash like you are busying cookin meth and suckin pecker for oxy
But I owe everything to the Bell Curve. (-:
 

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FLORIDA continues to do FUCKING GREAT----with all of our old people here. We got everyone's old higher risk patients but we still keep beating the average.
10,000 dead in nursing homes (and many more in assisted living ctrs) is far from doing "GREAT" unless you hate older folks
 

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A third of the people weren’t wearing masks
That's YOUR biased estimate. Not in any way fact.

SOME weren't wearing masks...and SOME weren't distancing.

Most did both and there was no large spread from those events
Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue

Europe did better than we did dumbass

And then there's South Korea and Taiwan who actually took this seriously and their numbers were incredibly low in spite of high population density
You're still arguing total and not per capita, dumb ass
 

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What are you talking about?
You made a stupid claim about immunity with ZERO documentation to back it up.

You're a troll.
Again to believe that is to believe conventional vaccines will not work

Do you believe the conventional vaccines don't work?

Maybe you have some evidence people don't gain any immunity? I'm open to that. But the vaccine trials say taht's not true.

You're basically claiming the sky isn't blue if you really believe immunity isn't the obvious and only reason to expect cases to go down in the west.

You're not very good at this. And clearly do not understand the science here.
You're all over the place. Put down the meth pipe and focus. When you can make a consistent argument get back to us...troll
 

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What are you talking about?
You made a stupid claim about immunity with ZERO documentation to back it up.

You're a troll.
Again to believe that is to believe conventional vaccines will not work

Do you believe the conventional vaccines don't work?

Maybe you have some evidence people don't gain any immunity? I'm open to that. But the vaccine trials say taht's not true.

You're basically claiming the sky isn't blue if you really believe immunity isn't the obvious and only reason to expect cases to go down in the west.

You're not very good at this. And clearly do not understand the science here.
You're all over the place. Put down the meth pipe and focus. When you can make a consistent argument get back to us...troll
You have had two non sequitur responses in a row

It's not all over the place, the concept of vaccines and herd immunity are inherently connected. Especially in the context of a condition that won't hurt most of us. The whoel point is herd immunity or it's worthless.

Conventional vaccines work on the same idea as herd immunity. Do you remember chicken pox parties? Those work on the same principle as vaccines, which induce herd immunity.

Same concept with the rona, you spread it around enough and you'll all be naturally vaccinated. That is how you kill viruses if you can't properly quarantine them.

This really isn't complex although I'm not shocked you can't put this together. You clearly have no fucking idea what's going on if you think NY of all places handled the rona well.
 

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Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue
It's a matter of timing. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We can win by running down the clock. There's a vaccine coming to a store near you.
And having an economy at the end of that is irrelevant. Kids losing years of education, suicides, depression. Just wait it out, breathing is all that matters!
 

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A third of the people weren’t wearing masks
That's YOUR biased estimate. Not in any way fact.

SOME weren't wearing masks...and SOME weren't distancing.

Most did both and there was no large spread from those events
Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue

Europe did better than we did dumbass

And then there's South Korea and Taiwan who actually took this seriously and their numbers were incredibly low in spite of high population density
You're still arguing total and not per capita, dumb ass
No. I am not. Jesus you're stupid

The claim was that Europe had a high mask usage rate and more deaths PER CAPITA. That is FALSE dumfuk. They have a LOWER per capita death rate

Are you people all on meth?
 

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You have had two non sequitur responses in a row

It's not all over the place

Conventional vaccines work on the same idea as herd immunity. Do you remember chicken pox parties? Those work on the same princple as vaccines

Same concept with the rona

This really isn't complex although I'm not shocked you can't put this together. You clearly have no fucking idea what's going on if you think NY of all places handled the rona well.
Again. All over the place. Put down the meth pipe. Take a nap and make ONE coherent consistent argument and I'll be glad to rub your nose in it. Till then you're a troll
 

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So explain why the masks and social distancing have not worked on COVID.
Covid is more contagious
Is it though? 28 total influenza cases? Florida has been wide open since May.

Are you contending there should not be any influenza cases where everything is open and there is no mask mandates?
Actually the argument that masks don't work, is the same as claimning seatbelts don't work.

Well neither works if you don't wear them right or don't wear them at all.

DUH !!!
 

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Yesterday 275 people died of coronavirus in Texas.

That's more than New York, New Jersey and Connecticut combined.
So States shouldn't be measured on total deaths, just for one day. That's as stupid an argument as it sounds.
I'm saying states should be measured on what's happening NOW, and not what happened a year ago.

New York was hit hard, and hit early. Those numbers are on the record, but don't reflect what's happening in 2021.
So instead of the usual Dimwinger tactic of revising history, you want to just ignore it.
Yes, it's his standard he wants to flip flop on this time
 

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If you believe in measuring by historical totals instead of by current numbers, I say go with it.

That makes white supremacists the number one terrorist organization in killing Americans, more than al-qaeda.
The last year isn't "historical." So just to be clear, you're going to attack any leftist who brings up Trump as focusing on "historical" data since that was last year and you reject last year as "historical."
If you focus on historical data, you have to go after white supremacists. They killed more americans than al-qaeda.
January 6th was just the icing on the cake.
 

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So explain why the masks and social distancing have not worked on COVID.
Covid is more contagious
Is it though? 28 total influenza cases? Florida has been wide open since May.

Are you contending there should not be any influenza cases where everything is open and there is no mask mandates?
Actually the argument that masks don't work, is the same as claimning seatbelts don't work.

Well neither works if you don't wear them right or don't wear them at all.

DUH !!!
If we have eradicated influenza by wearing masks and social distancing and closing all businesses, we need to do it every flu season.
 

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