If lockdowns & masks work, why are the vast majority of Covid deaths in leftist states?

[excalibur]

Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue

And Europe is approaching 900,000 deaths.

 

[Lesh]

They just had a once a decade flash blizzard

That the Texas Republican government totally left the state unprepared for.

That cost dozens of lives...this mask shit will cost thousands

 

[meaner gene]

Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue

It's a matter of timing. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We can win by running down the clock. There's a vaccine coming to a store near you.

 

[excalibur]

Europe did better than we did dumbass

Europe is approaching 900,000 deaths.

 

[Lesh]

And why is Europe approaching 900,000 deaths? They were all-in for masks as well as lockdowns in most of Europe.

They have more than twice our population and far less than twice our death count.

Oops

 

[meaner gene]

And why is Europe approaching 900,000 deaths? They were all-in for masks as well as lockdowns in most of Europe.

You pointed out, most, but not all of europe.
That's like the fire department putting out most of the fire, but not all of it.

The results are obvious.

 

[Lesh]

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

The summer surge did NOT happen in the NY Metro area...and we took mask wearing seriously

Just because they didn't get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

All summer were heard Trumpers bitching about masks and constant stories of them NOT doing so...and they got sick and died because of it.

Look at North and South Dakota...and yea Florida and Texas. (We have people on this very thread admitting that mask wearing in Florida was spotty at best)

 

[Nostra]

Dems claim rightwingers refuse to wear masks. Then explain why more people died in lefty states.

Bring some science, not "ORANGE MAN BAD"!

State	Deaths / 1M pop	Total Cases	Confirmed Cases	Confirmed Case Fatality Rate	Total Case Fatality Rate	Tests	Tests / 1M pop	Confirmed Cases / 1M pop	New Deaths	Deaths
California	1,336	-	3,563,618	1.48%	-	48,897,190	1,237,521	90,190	-	52,782
New York	2,470	-	1,693,580	2.84%	-	38,409,107	1,974,400	87,058	-	48,042
Texas	1,533	-	2,672,266	1.66%	-	23,204,166	800,257	92,160	-	44,453
Florida	1,450	-	1,918,100	1.62%	-	21,901,603	1,019,735	89,306	-	31,142
Pennsylvania	1,890	-	940,831	2.57%	-	10,476,323	818,336	73,491	-	24,193
New Jersey	2,626	-	795,785	2.93%	-	10,690,625	1,203,602	89,593	-	23,321
Illinois	1,800	-	1,189,416	1.92%	-	18,234,668	1,438,993	93,863	-	22,803
Georgia	1,646	-	1,011,807	1.73%	-	7,712,024	726,356	95,297	-	17,480
Ohio	1,484	-	970,583	1.79%	-	10,084,481	862,725	83,033	-	17,346
Michigan	1,657	-	649,057	2.55%	-	10,985,614	1,100,007	64,991	-	16,544
Massachusetts	2,329	-	582,844	2.78%	-	16,317,937	2,348,073	83,868	-	16,182
Arizona	2,206	-	818,670	1.96%	-	4,210,980	578,533	112,474	-	16,060
Indiana	1,875	-	662,750	1.90%	-	8,056,112	1,196,650	98,445	-	12,623
Tennessee	1,674	-	776,337	1.47%	-	6,797,475	994,776	113,613	-	11,436
North Carolina	1,076	-	863,409	1.31%	-	10,311,881	983,200	82,323	-	11,288
Alabama	2,045	-	497,154	2.02%	-	2,423,471	494,265	101,394	+38	10,029
Louisiana	2,075	-	431,271	2.24%	-	6,004,999	1,291,733	92,771	-	9,647
Virginia	1,048	-	578,559	1.55%	-	7,547,695	884,269	67,783	-	8,943
South Carolina	1,666	-	518,823	1.65%	-	5,999,533	1,165,249	100,767	-	8,576
Missouri	1,394	-	522,581	1.64%	-	5,490,487	894,591	85,147	-	8,555
Maryland	1,310	-	383,956	2.06%	-	7,948,627	1,314,761	63,509	+14	7,919
Connecticut	2,148	-	283,128	2.70%	-	6,804,929	1,908,662	79,412	-	7,658
Mississippi	2,266	-	295,675	2.28%	-	2,472,673	830,830	99,348	+19	6,743
Minnesota	1,163	-	485,655	1.35%	-	7,376,464	1,307,969	86,115	-	6,558
Wisconsin	1,106	-	564,592	1.14%	-	3,196,304	548,964	96,968	-	6,440
Colorado	1,035	-	430,615	1.38%	-	2,585,390	448,951	74,776	-	5,959
Iowa	1,743	-	364,892	1.51%	-	4,088,220	1,295,762	115,653	-	5,498
Arkansas	1,741	-	322,949	1.63%	-	3,169,449	1,050,243	107,014	-	5,254
Washington	664	-	344,660	1.47%	-	5,301,508	696,203	45,261	-	5,059
Nevada	1,613	-	294,289	1.69%	-	2,729,627	886,198	95,544	-	4,967
Kansas	1,630	-	296,954	1.60%	-	1,259,105	432,190	101,930	-	4,750
Kentucky	1,046	-	406,201	1.15%	-	4,521,249	1,011,992	90,920	-	4,671
Oklahoma	1,146	-	424,999	1.07%	-	3,516,251	888,622	107,405	-	4,534
New Mexico	1,784	-	185,542	2.02%	-	2,710,151	1,292,500	88,487	-	3,740
Rhode Island	2,384	-	126,849	1.99%	-	3,022,306	2,852,952	119,741	-	2,525
West Virginia	1,292	-	132,416	1.74%	-	2,198,226	1,230,020	74,094	+8	2,309
Oregon	528	-	156,037	1.43%	-	3,760,400	891,568	36,995	-	2,225
Nebraska	1,077	-	201,346	1.04%	-	967,551	500,179	104,087	-	2,084
Puerto Rico	641	-	183,432	1.12%	-	464,073	145,309	57,436	+8	2,048
Utah	608	-	371,979	0.52%	-	3,828,322	1,194,127	116,027	-	1,949
South Dakota	2,134	-	112,652	1.68%	-	423,463	478,674	127,339	-	1,888
Idaho	1,044	-	171,836	1.09%	-	1,092,871	609,839	95,887	-	1,871
North Dakota	1,899	-	99,957	1.45%	-	405,387	531,961	131,166	-	1,447
Delaware	1,464	-	87,193	1.64%	-	627,084	643,979	89,542	-	1,426
Montana	1,284	-	100,158	1.37%	-	1,081,562	1,011,961	93,713	-	1,372
New Hampshire	860	-	75,803	1.54%	-	1,662,742	1,222,864	55,749	-	1,170
District of Columbia	1,450	-	40,818	2.51%	-	1,233,983	1,748,473	57,836	+4	1,023
Maine	524	-	45,091	1.56%	-	1,871,610	1,392,347	33,545	+2	705
Wyoming	1,178	-	54,527	1.25%	-	641,380	1,108,199	94,214	-	682
Hawaii	310	-	27,623	1.59%	-	1,120,660	791,498	19,510	-	439
Alaska	409	-	56,428	0.53%	-	1,704,660	2,330,219	77,135	-	299
Vermont	330	-	15,372	1.34%	-	1,078,840	1,728,941	24,635	-	20

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

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Population density for one thing. You're pretty dense but even you can figure it out (probably not but there is always hope).

That and your blob's DHS forced everyone returning from overseas--tens of thousands of passengers who were unscreened and untested through 13 major airports. Almost all were in Blue States and every county that had one of these airports was a Covid-19 Hotspot and had an infection spike.

More bullshit.

Either masks and lockdowns work, or they don't.

The numbers clearly show they don't.

Hard to argue with your logic (because it's missing).

The numbers prove my point. That’s why you can’t argue with it

 

[rightwinger]

They made decisions with no scientific backing that apparently has no real benefits either

You Goofy

 

[meaner gene]

New York and NJ avoided the summer surge...because of ask wearing and proper mitigation...in SPITE o being devastated early on.

Florida, Texas, Georgia ...all those red states that did NOT do that AT THAT TIME saw huge spikes

There is 0 evidence of that

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

Only quarantines that have worked in the west are Austrialia and NZ

Just because they didnt' get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

S. Korea 344 new cases
Japan 731 new cases

United States 56,890 new cases.

The difference is that Japan and S. Korea have nearly universal mask wearing.

 

[Nostra]

Population density

Go figure

And your evidence of that is? And what difference would that make anyway if these methods are effective?

The next time you get on an elevator, try to maintain 6' distancing.

Did you look at the chart he posted? It blatantly contradicts your position.

My position?

You clearly inferred you were agreeing with what RW said

Mmmm ok.

So what was the point of your comment? Just bored this morning?

Now that you're talking to me....yes.

If you think that population density doesn't matter, explain how you can maintain the recommended 6' spacing in an elevator in an apartment building.

This is the part where you make a snide comment as per usual.

If masks work, why do you need to stay 6’ apart?

 

[Nostra]

lockdowns do work....No one doubts true quarantine works

We just don't do quarantine

What we're calling a lockdown is really just a business lockdown freedom of movement still exists in the whole US

So lockdowns had nothing to do with controlling the spread of the China Flu.

You are finally catching up.

 

[Juicin]

They made decisions with no scientific backing that apparently has no real benefits either

You Goofy

It's true....Trust the science

Correlation is not good science

*looks at sweden*

That's what a scientific response looks like.

 

[Juicin]

New York and NJ avoided the summer surge...because of ask wearing and proper mitigation...in SPITE o being devastated early on.

Florida, Texas, Georgia ...all those red states that did NOT do that AT THAT TIME saw huge spikes

There is 0 evidence of that

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

Only quarantines that have worked in the west are Austrialia and NZ

Just because they didnt' get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

S. Korea 344 new cases
Japan 731 new cases

United States 56,890 new cases.

The difference is that Japan and S. Korea have nearly universal mask wearing.

Doesn't work in the west tho

I don't know what the Koreans and Japanese are doing, but it's clearly not quarantining or wearing masks that's doing it for them

I suspect they just use reasonable PCR cycles not 35, and their doctors have sense, but who knows

So unless we suddenly become East Asians culturally I don't think we can replicate that.

 

[Nostra]

I will bet anything that influenza cases will be back up to 30 million annually after the left gets the power they seek.

People will stop wearing masks, rigorous hand washing, and stop social distancing....and wow...gee whiz...communicable diseases will once again rise.

Why have there been 30 million COVID positives if all that shit works?

1/2 of the nation has openly resisted mitigation efforts....The other half pays largely lip service to the same efforts. When you have a novel virus....you'll have a lot of transmission. When the virus is deadly to those with pre-existing conditions...you have a bunch of deaths.

Did you miss the last 12 months?

So leftist states resisted mitigation efforts?

 

[Turtlesoup]

Good time to drop COVID restrictions

Keep breathing in that CO2

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

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The two leaders in new covid cases (as if you had to guess)

Florida 7,179
Texas 6,826

Looks like Gov Abbot of Texas wants to be No 1.

Covid cases is not the same as covid deaths hun.........two different things.

De Santis took steps to protect our elderly----------cuomo took steps to kill the elderly.

 

[Juicin]

lockdowns do work....No one doubts true quarantine works

We just don't do quarantine

What we're calling a lockdown is really just a business lockdown freedom of movement still exists in the whole US

So lockdowns had nothing to do with controlling the spread of the China Flu.

You are finally catching up.

I have never, ever been a proponent a lockdowns or masks

There is no good data to say either work

True quarantine does work

 

[Juicin]

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

The summer surge did NOT happen in the NY Metro area...and we took mask wearing seriously

Just because they didn't get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

All summer were heard Trumpers bitching about masks and constant stories of them NOT doing so...and they got sick and died because of it.

Look at North and South Dakota...and yea Florida and Texas. (We have people on this very thread admitting that mask wearing in Florida was spotty at best)

So what? The initial surge didn't happen in the rest of the country

NY had a lot more people already infected

Anyone can pick apart this useless "data", you do not understand correlation if you believe NY's lack of surge proves anything beyond they had already spread it all around.

And if you were going to use the relatively useless macro data, you'd say masks and quarantines do nothing because red states are fine. Not to mention they were playing with the numbers....

 

[Juicin]

They just had a once a decade flash blizzard

That the Texas Republican government totally left the state unprepared for.

That cost dozens of lives...this mask shit will cost thousands

What does that have to do with expecting covid deaths?

I don't think texas politicians were competent on that issue

They are a lot more competent than most American states with Corona tho. That lieutenant governor boomer who said he's not scared had the right idea. Not Newsom shutting it all down then going out to dinner every night. Or Cuomo basically having an old people genocide up in NY refusing to use federally provided aid.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Flu is way down because people are wearing masks following safety measures & more people getting flu shots.

down from 35 million to 28. Wow.

Yet, we are at 35 million COVID cases. Weird, huh?

Why didnt COVID go down with safety measures and masks?