If lockdowns & masks work, why are the vast majority of Covid deaths in leftist states?

Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue


And Europe is approaching 900,000 deaths.
 
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Europe has had incredibly high mask usage and one devastating wave after another.

It's a virus, you shut down, it just comes back when you reopen. I mean duh. Get a clue
It's a matter of timing. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. We can win by running down the clock. There's a vaccine coming to a store near you.
 
And why is Europe approaching 900,000 deaths? They were all-in for masks as well as lockdowns in most of Europe.
You pointed out, most, but not all of europe.
That's like the fire department putting out most of the fire, but not all of it.

The results are obvious.
 
Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines
The summer surge did NOT happen in the NY Metro area...and we took mask wearing seriously
Just because they didn't get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone
All summer were heard Trumpers bitching about masks and constant stories of them NOT doing so...and they got sick and died because of it.

Look at North and South Dakota...and yea Florida and Texas. (We have people on this very thread admitting that mask wearing in Florida was spotty at best)
 
Dems claim rightwingers refuse to wear masks. Then explain why more people died in lefty states.

Bring some science, not "ORANGE MAN BAD"!


StateDeaths /
1M pop
Total
Cases
Confirmed
Cases
Confirmed Case
Fatality Rate
Total Case
Fatality Rate
TestsTests /
1M pop
Confirmed Cases /
1M pop
New
Deaths
Deaths
California1,336-3,563,6181.48%-48,897,1901,237,52190,190-52,782
New York2,470-1,693,5802.84%-38,409,1071,974,40087,058-48,042
Texas1,533-2,672,2661.66%-23,204,166800,25792,160-44,453
Florida1,450-1,918,1001.62%-21,901,6031,019,73589,306-31,142
Pennsylvania1,890-940,8312.57%-10,476,323818,33673,491-24,193
New Jersey2,626-795,7852.93%-10,690,6251,203,60289,593-23,321
Illinois1,800-1,189,4161.92%-18,234,6681,438,99393,863-22,803
Georgia1,646-1,011,8071.73%-7,712,024726,35695,297-17,480
Ohio1,484-970,5831.79%-10,084,481862,72583,033-17,346
Michigan1,657-649,0572.55%-10,985,6141,100,00764,991-16,544
Massachusetts2,329-582,8442.78%-16,317,9372,348,07383,868-16,182
Arizona2,206-818,6701.96%-4,210,980578,533112,474-16,060
Indiana1,875-662,7501.90%-8,056,1121,196,65098,445-12,623
Tennessee1,674-776,3371.47%-6,797,475994,776113,613-11,436
North Carolina1,076-863,4091.31%-10,311,881983,20082,323-11,288
Alabama2,045-497,1542.02%-2,423,471494,265101,394+3810,029
Louisiana2,075-431,2712.24%-6,004,9991,291,73392,771-9,647
Virginia1,048-578,5591.55%-7,547,695884,26967,783-8,943
South Carolina1,666-518,8231.65%-5,999,5331,165,249100,767-8,576
Missouri1,394-522,5811.64%-5,490,487894,59185,147-8,555
Maryland1,310-383,9562.06%-7,948,6271,314,76163,509+147,919
Connecticut2,148-283,1282.70%-6,804,9291,908,66279,412-7,658
Mississippi2,266-295,6752.28%-2,472,673830,83099,348+196,743
Minnesota1,163-485,6551.35%-7,376,4641,307,96986,115-6,558
Wisconsin1,106-564,5921.14%-3,196,304548,96496,968-6,440
Colorado1,035-430,6151.38%-2,585,390448,95174,776-5,959
Iowa1,743-364,8921.51%-4,088,2201,295,762115,653-5,498
Arkansas1,741-322,9491.63%-3,169,4491,050,243107,014-5,254
Washington664-344,6601.47%-5,301,508696,20345,261-5,059
Nevada1,613-294,2891.69%-2,729,627886,19895,544-4,967
Kansas1,630-296,9541.60%-1,259,105432,190101,930-4,750
Kentucky1,046-406,2011.15%-4,521,2491,011,99290,920-4,671
Oklahoma1,146-424,9991.07%-3,516,251888,622107,405-4,534
New Mexico1,784-185,5422.02%-2,710,1511,292,50088,487-3,740
Rhode Island2,384-126,8491.99%-3,022,3062,852,952119,741-2,525
West Virginia1,292-132,4161.74%-2,198,2261,230,02074,094+82,309
Oregon528-156,0371.43%-3,760,400891,56836,995-2,225
Nebraska1,077-201,3461.04%-967,551500,179104,087-2,084
Puerto Rico641-183,4321.12%-464,073145,30957,436+82,048
Utah608-371,9790.52%-3,828,3221,194,127116,027-1,949
South Dakota2,134-112,6521.68%-423,463478,674127,339-1,888
Idaho1,044-171,8361.09%-1,092,871609,83995,887-1,871
North Dakota1,899-99,9571.45%-405,387531,961131,166-1,447
Delaware1,464-87,1931.64%-627,084643,97989,542-1,426
Montana1,284-100,1581.37%-1,081,5621,011,96193,713-1,372
New Hampshire860-75,8031.54%-1,662,7421,222,86455,749-1,170
District of Columbia1,450-40,8182.51%-1,233,9831,748,47357,836+41,023
Maine524-45,0911.56%-1,871,6101,392,34733,545+2705
Wyoming1,178-54,5271.25%-641,3801,108,19994,214-682
Hawaii310-27,6231.59%-1,120,660791,49819,510-439
Alaska409-56,4280.53%-1,704,6602,330,21977,135-299
Vermont330-15,3721.34%-1,078,8401,728,94124,635-20


Population density for one thing. You're pretty dense but even you can figure it out (probably not but there is always hope).

That and your blob's DHS forced everyone returning from overseas--tens of thousands of passengers who were unscreened and untested through 13 major airports. Almost all were in Blue States and every county that had one of these airports was a Covid-19 Hotspot and had an infection spike.
More bullshit.

Either masks and lockdowns work, or they don't.

The numbers clearly show they don't.

Hard to argue with your logic (because it's missing).
The numbers prove my point. That’s why you can’t argue with it
 
New York and NJ avoided the summer surge...because of ask wearing and proper mitigation...in SPITE o being devastated early on.

Florida, Texas, Georgia ...all those red states that did NOT do that AT THAT TIME saw huge spikes

There is 0 evidence of that

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

Only quarantines that have worked in the west are Austrialia and NZ

Just because they didnt' get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

S. Korea 344 new cases
Japan 731 new cases

United States 56,890 new cases.

The difference is that Japan and S. Korea have nearly universal mask wearing.
 
Population density

Go figure

And your evidence of that is? And what difference would that make anyway if these methods are effective?

The next time you get on an elevator, try to maintain 6' distancing.

Did you look at the chart he posted? It blatantly contradicts your position.
My position?

You clearly inferred you were agreeing with what RW said

Mmmm ok.

So what was the point of your comment? Just bored this morning?

Now that you're talking to me....yes.

If you think that population density doesn't matter, explain how you can maintain the recommended 6' spacing in an elevator in an apartment building.

This is the part where you make a snide comment as per usual.
If masks work, why do you need to stay 6’ apart?
 
lockdowns do work....No one doubts true quarantine works

We just don't do quarantine

What we're calling a lockdown is really just a business lockdown freedom of movement still exists in the whole US
So lockdowns had nothing to do with controlling the spread of the China Flu.

You are finally catching up.
 
New York and NJ avoided the summer surge...because of ask wearing and proper mitigation...in SPITE o being devastated early on.

Florida, Texas, Georgia ...all those red states that did NOT do that AT THAT TIME saw huge spikes

There is 0 evidence of that

Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines

Only quarantines that have worked in the west are Austrialia and NZ

Just because they didnt' get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone

S. Korea 344 new cases
Japan 731 new cases

United States 56,890 new cases.

The difference is that Japan and S. Korea have nearly universal mask wearing.

Doesn't work in the west tho

I don't know what the Koreans and Japanese are doing, but it's clearly not quarantining or wearing masks that's doing it for them

I suspect they just use reasonable PCR cycles not 35, and their doctors have sense, but who knows

So unless we suddenly become East Asians culturally I don't think we can replicate that.
 
I will bet anything that influenza cases will be back up to 30 million annually after the left gets the power they seek.

People will stop wearing masks, rigorous hand washing, and stop social distancing....and wow...gee whiz...communicable diseases will once again rise.

Why have there been 30 million COVID positives if all that shit works?

1/2 of the nation has openly resisted mitigation efforts....The other half pays largely lip service to the same efforts. When you have a novel virus....you'll have a lot of transmission. When the virus is deadly to those with pre-existing conditions...you have a bunch of deaths.

Did you miss the last 12 months?
So leftist states resisted mitigation efforts?
 
Good time to drop COVID restrictions
Keep breathing in that CO2


The two leaders in new covid cases (as if you had to guess)

Florida 7,179
Texas 6,826

Looks like Gov Abbot of Texas wants to be No 1.
Covid cases is not the same as covid deaths hun.........two different things.

De Santis took steps to protect our elderly----------cuomo took steps to kill the elderly.
 
lockdowns do work....No one doubts true quarantine works

We just don't do quarantine

What we're calling a lockdown is really just a business lockdown freedom of movement still exists in the whole US
So lockdowns had nothing to do with controlling the spread of the China Flu.

You are finally catching up.

I have never, ever been a proponent a lockdowns or masks

There is no good data to say either work

True quarantine does work
 
Surges have happened everywhere with masks and soft quarantines
The summer surge did NOT happen in the NY Metro area...and we took mask wearing seriously
Just because they didn't get a surge doesn't mean it had anything to do with mask wearing or useless lockdowns that aren't actually quarantining anyone
All summer were heard Trumpers bitching about masks and constant stories of them NOT doing so...and they got sick and died because of it.

Look at North and South Dakota...and yea Florida and Texas. (We have people on this very thread admitting that mask wearing in Florida was spotty at best)

So what? The initial surge didn't happen in the rest of the country

NY had a lot more people already infected

Anyone can pick apart this useless "data", you do not understand correlation if you believe NY's lack of surge proves anything beyond they had already spread it all around.

And if you were going to use the relatively useless macro data, you'd say masks and quarantines do nothing because red states are fine. Not to mention they were playing with the numbers....
 
They just had a once a decade flash blizzard
That the Texas Republican government totally left the state unprepared for.

That cost dozens of lives...this mask shit will cost thousands

What does that have to do with expecting covid deaths?

I don't think texas politicians were competent on that issue

They are a lot more competent than most American states with Corona tho. That lieutenant governor boomer who said he's not scared had the right idea. Not Newsom shutting it all down then going out to dinner every night. Or Cuomo basically having an old people genocide up in NY refusing to use federally provided aid.
 
Flu is way down because people are wearing masks following safety measures & more people getting flu shots.

down from 35 million to 28. Wow.

Yet, we are at 35 million COVID cases. Weird, huh?

Why didnt COVID go down with safety measures and masks?
 

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