Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[ding]

Wrong. You understand neither scripture nor the power of my God. You are a superstitious fool.

But thank you for helping me to reveal to the intelligent the wisdom of my God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate and for so generously demonstrating for everyone with eyes that see the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that simple and easy instruction aside to "just believe" in the absurd.

You have been abandoned to your folly seeking spiritual life from a lifeless man made matzo. derp
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You are dead because you sin. For as long as you remain unrepentant you will remain unforgiven. Everyone who repents for their sins will rise to eternal life and will never know what it is to die.

Such is the power of my God.

And there isn't a damn thing you or your supernatural triune edible mangod can do about it.

It doesn't exist. And you already know this you pretentious lying sack of shit, lower than cattle and all the wild beasts of the field. You will crawl on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life

What power? You don't believe in supernatural acts. That means that when you die you fade to black and that's it. I'm paying you back in your own coin.

 

[ding]

Thanks for again proving the power of my God over the minds and lives of earthlings by either granting or denying comprehension.

You are an idolator. You have your reward already! Death and an existence without God in hades.

Enjoy!

Thanks for proving you are a secular humanist and that you believe God has no power.

Paying you back with your own coin!

 

[hobelim]

What power? You don't believe in supernatural acts. That means that when you die you fade to black and that's it.

Thanks for again proving the power of my God over the minds and lives of earthlings by either granting or denying comprehension.

You are an idolator. You have your reward already! Death and an existence without God in hades where you are tormented day and night by actual reality which contradicts your professed absurd irrational and delusional "beliefs" day and night just like a consuming fire that will never go out.

Enjoy!

 

[hobelim]

I'm paying you back in your own coin.

Grrrr!

"Like a thorn stuck in the hand of a drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of a fool."



Sincerely,

Secular Jesus

 

[ding]

Thanks for again proving the power of my God over the minds and lives of earthlings by either granting or denying comprehension.

You are an idolator. You have your reward already! Death and an existence without God in hades where you are tormented day and night by actual reality which contradicts your professed absurd irrational and delusional "beliefs" day and night just like a consuming fire that will never go out.

Enjoy!

I'm not too worried about your secularized version of God. He allows men to butt fuck other men.

Just paying you back in your own coin, bro.

 

[ding]

Grrrr!

"Like a thorn stuck in the hand of a drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of a fool."



Sincerely,

Secular Jesus

Here's another coin for ya.

Leviticus 18:22

 

[hobelim]

I'm not too worried about your secularized version of God. He allows men to butt fuck other men.

Wow. It never ceases to amaze me how low you will stoop to deny the truth that you are an idolator which is a violation of the first command and are dead and in hell according to your own church teaching and if scripture is true and then expose your own homophobic obesessions without having a clue how shameful that is. See? My God is so merciful that you do not even realize that you are dead and in hell and well on your way along the road that ends in destruction.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The best explanation/analogy regarding Pharaoh is noting how sun affects different materials: It melts wax, it hardens clay. With Pharaoh, we see an inclination within him to do the right thing, to free the Israelites. But the material liabilities (his own wealth and comfort) were also factoring into his decision. His love of self (clay) was greater than his love of others (wax). God fought hard for Pharaoh, but in the end it is always our own choice that God allows. Pharaoh could have joined in God's plans, but Pharaoh's own plans were always his priority.

We see this hardening of hearts in earthly matters as well. For example, the more part of the country claims President Trump has the best interests of the country at heart, the more the other part of the country hardens their hearts against him. The same man who melted the hearts of some, hardened the hearts of others.

Consider how many times, and over how many years, God worked with Pharaoh. God is patient, God is kind--and He has His own plans, His own work which will prevail. When His work does prevail...well look at the reaction of some of the people of Israel. They lamented their freedom, arguing they should have remained in Egypt!

No, God does not give us over to dark things. God remains love and goodness--it is who He is. It is the individual who turns from love and goodness (which softens our hearts) to favor material wealth and/or selfishness, self-interests (which hardens our hearts).

God wasn't working to "save Pharaoh."
The Bible is the history of God working out His plan for Man THROUGH Israel.
The Bible is the story of Israel. Other nations are TOOLS in this story

 

[ding]

Wow. It never ceases to amaze me how low you will stoop to deny the truth that you are an idolator which is a violation of the first command and are dead and in hell according to your own church teaching and if scripture is true and then expose your own homophobic obesessions without having a clue how shameful that is. See? My God is so merciful that you do not even realize that you are dead and in hell and well on your way along the road that ends in destruction.

It's pretty funny being called an idolator by an atheist Jew who condones buggery.

Paying you back with your own coin, one coin at a time.

 

[Ropey]

I don't think that Jews follow Christ

Don't they consider him to be a heretic?

Of course not.

Christianity is Judaism for gentiles.

 

[Ropey]

When Jesus was born, the Jewish identity was determined patrilineally so for Jesus to be a Jew, his father would have had to be a Jew.

And he was not. Since G-d is not a Jew.

Historically:

By the Rabbinic Period (1st-2nd centuries CE), Jewish identity shifted to being determined matrilineally (through the mother) and the tribal identity patrilineally.

This is codified in the Mishnah (Kiddushin 3:12), which states that a child’s Jewish status follows the mother, while the father determines tribal affiliation (if known).

Therefore, Jesus created a belief system from Judaism that would work for non-Jews.

 

[dudmuck]

When Jesus was born, the Jewish identity was determined patrilineally so for Jesus to be a Jew, his father would have had to be a Jew.

And he was not. Since G-d is not a Jew.

Historically:

By the Rabbinic Period (1st-2nd centuries CE), Jewish identity shifted to being determined matrilineally (through the mother) and the tribal identity patrilineally.

This is codified in the Mishnah (Kiddushin 3:12), which states that a child’s Jewish status follows the mother, while the father determines tribal affiliation (if known).

Therefore, Jesus created a belief system from Judaism that would work for non-Jews.

more relevant than family ancestry is where one lived. Jesus lived in judea, and the vast majority of judeans were jewish. So the question isnt so much whether Jesus was jewish, but instead is which sect he belonged to. The best evidence points to Jesus being Essene and also John the baptist as well. The four sects at the time were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots. The practices of the Essenes are the best match for John the baptist and Jesus. The scrolls found at Qumran are the best evidence for this.

 

[Ropey]

more relevant than family ancestry is where one lived. Jesus lived in judea, and the vast majority of judeans were jewish. So the question isnt so much whether Jesus was jewish, but instead is which sect he belonged to. The best evidence points to Jesus being Essene and also John the baptist as well. The four sects at the time were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots. The practices of the Essenes are the best match for John the baptist and Jesus. The scrolls found at Qumran are the best evidence for this.

 

[hobelim]

It's pretty funny being called an idolator by an atheist Jew who condones buggery.

Its even funnier, ha ha ha, seeing an idolator dead and in hell and under "the curse" with the audacity to judge other peoples sexual preferences. If scripture is true you are quite screwed.

I hear what you say, perjuring yourself in the name of God every day, and know what you do, seeking spiritual life on your knees from a matzo made by human hands, and so I am a believer!

You don't have a clue that your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field

And some people don't 'believe' in curses.


Imagine that!

 

[ding]

Its even funnier, ha ha ha, seeing an idolator dead and in hell and under "the curse" with the audacity to judge other peoples sexual preferences. If scripture is true you are quite screwed.

I hear what you say, perjuring yourself in the name of God every day, and know what you do, seeking spiritual life on your knees from a matzo made by human hands, and so I am a believer!

You don't have a clue that your sin is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field

And some people don't 'believe' in curses.


Imagine that!

That would be the Jewish interpretation, right? Are you Jewish? Or is this just the best way you could figure out to lash out against Christians? Because you don't seem to be at peace with yourself.

 

[rosends]

When Jesus was born, the Jewish identity was determined patrilineally so for Jesus to be a Jew, his father would have had to be a Jew.

And he was not. Since G-d is not a Jew.

Historically:

By the Rabbinic Period (1st-2nd centuries CE), Jewish identity shifted to being determined matrilineally (through the mother) and the tribal identity patrilineally.

This is codified in the Mishnah (Kiddushin 3:12), which states that a child’s Jewish status follows the mother, while the father determines tribal affiliation (if known).

Therefore, Jesus created a belief system from Judaism that would work for non-Jews.

Nope. Jewish status as a function of matrilineal descent well predates Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

The practices of the Essenes are the best match for John the baptist and Jesus. The scrolls found at Qumran are the best evidence for this.

I agree, but I also notice that they both went off on their own, probably because they learned that the meaning of the Law was being withheld, kept secret, from everyone including the Jewish laity.

This sheds light on what Jesus meant when he said, "No one lights a candle and hides it under a bushel. No, they put it on a lamp stand so that everyone in the room can see", a clear reference to the Law given as "a light to the nations" since its meaning was being hidden by the religious elite.


Of the appointment of 'presbyters'

"When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, he shall not keep hidden from them; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy."

Of religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (keep hidden) the meaning of the Law.

Dead Sea scrolls, manual of discipline


See? The secret meaning of the Law was being withheld from the majority of the people...

Thats why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" not because it was unknown but because it was supposed to be kept secret, hidden, especially from froward people like Jesus.

 

[ding]

...the Law was being withheld, kept secret, from everyone including the Jewish laity.

Do the rabbis know that? Oh my.

 

[irosie91]

more relevant than family ancestry is where one lived. Jesus lived in judea, and the vast majority of judeans were jewish. So the question isnt so much whether Jesus was jewish, but instead is which sect he belonged to. The best evidence points to Jesus being Essene and also John the baptist as well. The four sects at the time were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots. The practices of the Essenes are the best match for John the baptist and Jesus. The scrolls found at Qumran are the best evidence for this.

you are extremely confused-----the Jesus the ESSENE theory has been debunked----your FOUR SECTS theory is risible. A sorta reasonable assertion is -----Pharisee was a sect and Sadducee was a sect----sorta. Essene was a
monastic group of which there were MANY-----and just about all could. logically, be consisdered Pharisee

 

[Ropey]

Jewish status as a function of matrilineal descent well predates Jesus.

Predates.

But was not codified until long after. So the practice was not viable under law until there was a law.

Jesus was not a Jew. This is why he was allowed to create a different belief system.

It's a choice. G-d will not choose for us.