Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Road Runner]

Would he be circumcised

Yes.

 

[hobelim]

Why would Acts ultimately show that circumcision is not required to follow Christ? why would that even come up if Jesus was only sent to the physical Israelites?

I will agree that Jesus disagreed with the religious authorities of his time who were keeping the hidden meaning of the law secret from even the Jewish laity which Jesus saw as disobedience to a direct command of God for the law to be a light to the nations, meaning everyone, all people.

That being said what Jesus revealed about the law is that the words used are figurative, the subjects hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Thats why circumcision as it was practiced was not required. The law is not about removing the flesh of the forsaking of a penis but the flesh of the foreskin of the mind, the evil inclination, the yetzer ha-ra'

What became obsolete after this revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to follow the Law according to what Jesus called "the traditions of men" what is now known as the talmud, not the Law itself which Jesus said would remain in effect forever. When Jesus said 'eat my flesh' it was a clear teaching that kosher law is not about food, the flesh of the creatures described, human archetypes, is a metaphor for their teaching, beliefs, ideologies etc., whether clean or unclean.

So its not about real Jew vs fake Jew anymore than its about real gentile vs fake gentile or real christian vs fake christian.. Its about true and false right and wrong, good and evil, life and death.

There is only one way to understand and comply with the laws demands that fulfills God's promise for abundant blessings and eternal life here and now on earth. Not at the end of time or after you die, NOW, whatever your race color gender nationality religion or sexual predilection.

You have been misled. You're not a real Jew lol or believer in Jesus if you don't already know this

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I will agree that Jesus disagreed with the religious authorities of his time who were keeping the hidden meaning of the law secret from even the Jewish laity which Jesus saw as disobedience to a direct command of God for the law to be a light to the nations, meaning everyone, all people.

That being said what Jesus revealed about the law is that the words used are figurative, the subjects hidden and not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Thats why circumcision as it was practiced was not required.

Ask any religious Jew if circumcision is required.

The law is not about removing the flesh of the forsaking of a penis but the flesh of the foreskin of the mind, the evil inclination, the yetzer ha-ra'

Where did you read of this "foreskin of the mind"? Circumcision began with Abraham and became part of Mosaic law and was physical. Yes Jesus revealed that true circumcision is spiritual and likewise a true "Jew" is also spiritual.

What became obsolete after this revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to follow the Law according to what Jesus called "the traditions of men" what is now known as the talmud, not the Law itself which Jesus said would remain in effect forever.

Jesus never cited or quoted the Talmud. In fact the Talmud was not written down until after Jesus' crucifixion. Jesus did quote Isaiah though in which we find the "traditions of men" quote but there was no Talmud at the time of Isaiah which was around 800 BC.

When Jesus said 'eat my flesh' it was a clear teaching that kosher law is not about food, the flesh of creatures described are metaphors for their teaching, beliefs, ideologies etc., whether clean or unclean, of human archetypes.

So is not about real Jew vs fake Jew anymore than its about real gentile vs fake gentile or real christian vs fake christian.. Its about true and false right and wrong, good and evil, life and death.

So according logic you are not a real Jew or a real follower of Jesus if you don't already know this

When I say "real" Jew, I'm referring to the real meaning of the term "Jew" in just the same manner as there's a real meaning for the term circumcision.

Now please tell me - what is a Jew?

 

[hobelim]

Jesus never cited or quoted the Talmud. In fact the Talmud was not written down until after Jesus' crucifixion.

As I said what Jesus called 'the traditions of men" is what became known as the talmud.

The Jerusalem talmud was redacted in 350, 25 years after Rome unleashed the Antichrist on the world. A god made man made matzo made by human hands created in the image and likeness of Mithras. Mithraism was the Babylonian "mystery religion" of the Roman government and military.

 

[hobelim]

Where did you read of this "foreskin of the mind"?

The prophets called on people to circumcise the flesh of the foreskin of the heart.

At the time people believed that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. It is now well known that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain. It follows then that every time in scripture they are speaking about the heart they are talking about whats going on in the mind.


"Blessed are the pure of heart (mind) for they shall see God."

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

As I said what Jesus called 'the traditions of men" is what became known as the talmud.

The Jerusalem talmud was redacted in 350, 25 years after Rome unleashed the Antichrist on the world. A god made man made matzo made by human hands created in the image and likeness of Mithras. Mithraism was the Babylonian "mystery religion" of the Roman government and military.

You are the antichrist, we all are the antichrist. The scripture is speaking to the reader, about the reader, God speaks to each of us when we read it. When it - the spirit of the antichrist - is revealed, when we understand that about ourselves we are doing so because Christ has revealed it to us, our carnal, earthly self.

The prophecies pertaining to the "end of the world" are actually referring to each of us, our repentance and conversion. They have a profound spiritual meaning that describes evens the reader must go through.

Consider 1 Co 10:11

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come

The "end of the age" is referring to each person's experiences as the kingdom of God becomes established within each of us with great pain and anguish, the pain and anguish of changing from carnal to spiritual.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The prophets called on people to circumcise the flesh of the foreskin of the heart.

At the time people believed that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. It is now well known that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain. It follows then that every time in scripture they are speaking about the heart they are talking about whats going on in the mind.


"Blessed are the pure of heart (mind) for they shall see God."

Very well, so by the same token "Jew" is not a physical trait but a spiritual, prophecies pertaining to "Jew" are pertaining to those who have undergone spiritual circumcision.

 

[hobelim]

You are the antichrist, we all are the antichrist. The scripture is speaking to the reader, about the reader, God speaks to each of us when we read it. When it - the spirit of the antichrist - is revealed, when we understand that about ourselves we are doing so because Christ has revealed it to us, our carnal, earthly self.

Nonsense. We, we, we, us, us, us. damn. damn. damn. How many of you are there?

The Antichrist is a false substitute counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325ce to conquer the nations under the sign of the Mithran cross using "the power of death" consequent to defying the law of God to render the minds of the populations useless, incapable of grasping much less doing something about their captivity.

You have exchanged your birthright as an individual rational "living being" that reflects the image of likeness of a Holy (separate) God for a bowl of fairy tale porridge becoming an insignificant minion of a 'we' and 'us', a self negating multiplicity that is slowly disintegrating into nothingness.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nonsense.

The Antichrist is a false substitute counterfeit Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325ce to conquer the nations under the sign of the Mithran cross using "the power of death" consequent to defying the law of God to render their minds useless.

Consider Rev 1:

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

God does not change and he never lies, so those words are true and must be true for every person who has ever read them.

They do not make any sense if they pertain to events thousands of years in the future of the person reading those words, they mean the same thing no matter who reads them.

The "events" are spiritual and pertain to the individual's pain and suffering and judgement that they undergo during their lives if they have been called.

Yes the antichrist is a substitute, we seat ourselves on God's throne, we set ourselves up as God, we worship ourselves, our will is what dominates us not God's

The scriptures are far more profound than I once thought, nothing whatsoever to do with fantastical worldly events, like the Omen movies.

I want to add too, that I am a universalist.

 

[hobelim]

Yes the antichrist is a substitute,

Right the fake Jesus that has defiled and contaminated your mind to the point of uselessness with all the powerful signs and "miracles" of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally.

we seat ourselves on God's throne, we set ourselves up as God, we worship ourselves.

I don't.

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE THERE?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Right the fake Jesus that has defiled and contaminated your mind to the point of uselessness with all the powerful signs and "miracles" of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally.


I don't.

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE THERE?

How many have read these words

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.

Was it "soon" for each of them? Showing me something that takes place say 1,900 years into my future cannot be described as "soon" and God does not lie.

The Greek term τάχει means something like "imminently" or "immediately" look:

 

[hobelim]

How many have read these words

Who can say? Are you suggesting that everyone who ever read the Bible tries to replace God?

Nonsense.

"we seat ourselves on God's throne, we set ourselves up as God, we worship ourselves."

Like I said, I don't do any of those things. I am not a part of this 'we'. Apparently you are.

What name does your we go by?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Who can say? Are you suggesting that everyone who ever read the Bible tries to replace God?

No. I'm saying that every human being is carnal from birth until we - undeservedly - receive salvation and forgiveness.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

We are all "in the flesh" until God calls us to repentance. You knew nothing of God and you cannot know anything of God unless and until God calls you.

Nonsense.

"we seat ourselves on God's throne, we set ourselves up as God, we worship ourselves."

Like I said, I don't do any of those things. I am not a part of this 'we'. Apparently you are.

What name does your we go by?

 

[hobelim]

Was it "soon" for each of them? Showing me something that takes place say 1,900 years into my future cannot be described as "soon" and God does not lie.

Soon is extremely relative. Soon to God could easily be a thousand years to you. And soon could also means as soon as you repent for your lies, murders, and sorcery to be done with delusions.

Which could be never. And never is a very long time.

Anyway Jesus said "there are some standing around who will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God in power", it has always been in power. People not seeing is not a flaw in God.

Maybe you too will see the kingdom of God come soon, before you die.. Maybe you never will.

 

[hobelim]

We are all "in the flesh" until God calls us to repentance.

There goes your claim of being a "spiritual" real Jew flying right out the window.

When are you going to repent of your lies and your murders and your sorcery and worshipping the antichrist, a perversion of Christ, an imaginary Jesus who is not God and never existed?

Whoever us is has been called to repentance a very long time ago. What are y'all waiting for?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Soon is extremely relative. Soon to God could easily be a thousand years to you. And soon could also means as soon as you repent for your lies, your murders, sorcery, to be done with delusions.

Anyway when Jesus said "there are some standing around who will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God in power", because it has always been in power.

Maybe you too will see the kingdom of God come soon, before you die.. Maybe you never will.

In every passage below the same Greek word we translates as "soon" or "suddenly" or "without delay" or "make haste" or "shortly" or "quickly" is used to imply imminence, immediacy so why do you want it to mean something else in Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:6 ?

 

[hobelim]

In every passage below the same Greek word we translates as "soon" or "suddenly" or "without delay" or "make haste" or "shortly" or "quickly" is used to imply imminence, immediacy so why do you want it to mean something else in Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:6 ?

I did not make it something else. When Christ first appeared the belief was that the end of the age of darkness was imminent. And when Jesus said it was a long time off, nation will rise against nation, the gospel preached worldwide, the temple destroyed, the diaspora, the return, etc. he was laughed at.

And even as Jesus said, "when the son of man is revealed" it will be suddenly, when least expected. And revealed does not necessarily mean that he will be walking the earth again.

and it certainly does not mean that he will float down from the sky. Suddenly. lol.

And remember. No matter how long a person lives their death is always imminent.

 

[hobelim]

we seat ourselves on God's throne, we set ourselves up as God, we worship ourselves,

Like I said. I don't do any of those things.

Still I would like to know how many of you are there who calls itself we? A dozen? A legion?

Is that what you do? Seat yourself on Gods throne, set yourself up as God, worship yourself?

 

[ding]

In every passage below the same Greek word we translates as "soon" or "suddenly" or "without delay" or "make haste" or "shortly" or "quickly" is used to imply imminence, immediacy so why do you want it to mean something else in Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:6 ?

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He's exhausting, isn't he. So many secularized interpretations.

 

[ding]

duel

I think you meant "dual."

all the powerful signs and "miracles" of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally.

Yes. That's one of the main reasons Jesus was worshipped as God.

Josephus and Lucian said that Jesus was regarded as wise. Pliny and Lucian said He was regarded as a powerful and revered teacher. Josephus indicated He performed miraculous feats. Tacitus, Josephus and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. There are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Josephus recorded that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God.

Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources

Do any other ancient documents help to confirm the trustworthiness of the New Testament?

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