Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[MisterBeale]

Nobody "programmed" DNA. It's the end result of several billion years of randomness.

You do understand the concept of "theory," right?

Link to a paper that reproduces and proves that this is even possible.

The Math Says Life Shouldn’t Exist: New Study Challenges Origins Theories

The study finds life’s origin faces severe mathematical challenges. Chance alone may not be enough. A new study addresses one of science’s most enduring questions: how did life first arise from nonliving matter on the early Earth? Using advanced mathematical methods, Robert G. Endres of Imperial

scitechdaily.com

The unreasonable likelihood of being: origin of life, terraforming, and AI

The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern...

arxiv.org

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If you're pre-birth, you're fine. If you are pre-school, you're fucked. !!

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Enjoy that fun lie if it gives you pleasure.







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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I believe you may have misunderstood the whole premise of the thread....

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Or maybe you did.





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[Crepitus]

You do understand the concept of "theory," right?

Link to a paper that reproduces and proves that this is even possible.

The Math Says Life Shouldn’t Exist: New Study Challenges Origins Theories

The study finds life’s origin faces severe mathematical challenges. Chance alone may not be enough. A new study addresses one of science’s most enduring questions: how did life first arise from nonliving matter on the early Earth? Using advanced mathematical methods, Robert G. Endres of Imperial

scitechdaily.com

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The unreasonable likelihood of being: origin of life, terraforming, and AI

The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern...

arxiv.org

LOL!!

You do understand the concept of "theory," right?

Link to a paper that reproduces and proves that this is even possible.

The Math Says Life Shouldn’t Exist: New Study Challenges Origins Theories

The study finds life’s origin faces severe mathematical challenges. Chance alone may not be enough. A new study addresses one of science’s most enduring questions: how did life first arise from nonliving matter on the early Earth? Using advanced mathematical methods, Robert G. Endres of Imperial

scitechdaily.com

View attachment 1179877

The unreasonable likelihood of being: origin of life, terraforming, and AI

The origin of life on Earth via the spontaneous emergence of a protocell prior to Darwinian evolution remains a fundamental open question in physics and chemistry. Here, we develop a conceptual framework based on information theory and algorithmic complexity. Using estimates grounded in modern...

arxiv.org

Of course I do, I'm no bloody tRumpling after all.

 

[MisterBeale]

LOL!!

Of course I do, I'm no bloody tRumpling after all.

If you did, you would not start an OP out from a position that your level of enlightenment, or any of those links you posted, are any more valid than the level of enlightenment than any person on this forum.

Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion

Tell us why this guy speaks for all Christians anymore than the Pope?



I was once on a science forum, decades before I came here, and I started a thread about being humble, it really triggered a lot of folks.

Personally, I find your thread lacking in wisdom.

 

[Stryder50]

Nobody "programmed" DNA. It's the end result of several billion years of randomness.

There are at least 20 known amino acids.
Four of those are used in DNA*.
Three of those four plus a fifth are used in RNA*.

If we were dealing with real randomness, then we should see several different structures for DNA, and RNA, using varied combinations of those 20(+?) amino acids. [Which would mean some really weird variations of life , especially not compatible, here on Earth.]

The fact that only five out of the 20 are used throughout all life on this planet would suggest there may be a design, pattern, or some other ordered factor involved, OTHER THAN Randomness.

To date, no one has been able to replicate randomness creation of any of the DNA or RNA molecules in the laboratory.

Your post/OP remains a vague and unsupported hypothesis.

* Curious to know if you know what RNA and DNA are, what they do, etc. (without doing web searching). ???

 

[Manonthestreet]

???

Do ya know how many there are just related to the birth of Christ

 

[Stryder50]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

If you really knew history, you'd realize that "any god" includes a wide range of unrelated and uncommon concepts of what a "god" (Creator ?) might be.

You might also realize that many to most religions are not really presenting text presented first hand by the "Creator of the Cosmos" but by later creations with agendas to use~manipulate humans.

The topic/subject is not a simple as your simple mind thinks it is.

 

[Crepitus]

Do ya know how many there are just related to the birth of Christ

And we have no evidence except from a book that that really happened.

 

[BreezeWood]

Convince me that pond scum programmed DNA.

their sabbath at that time is pure - what is the origin referred to as "pond scum" - that is after the desert religions, humanity in general that chooses not to keep holy life and garden earth ... as the heavens requested.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You do not give two shits about a baby after it is born, IF you ******* did, you be demanding SNAP and WIC be released. There is no ******* god, never has been and never will be. Just people to weak mind and afraid to think for themselves.

Carlin told the truth lying "Right To Life" movement. god never happened. Nor did his non-existent bastard son Yeshua (Proper spelling). The very idea that woman, 9-months pregnant would ride 90+miles on the mule is absolutely unbelievable.

Your need to believe in something that has never been real is pitiful.

You sure are pissed over the imaginary.
Does the easter Bunny make you this angry

 

[Leo123]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

So, you'd rather live like a wild animal. Got it.

 

[Stryder50]

And we have no evidence except from a book that that really happened.

There may be more than you know of, or will admit;

40 Historical Records of Jesus: Comprehensive List & Context​

40 Historical Records of Jesus: Comprehensive List & Context

Discover 40 compelling historical records of Jesus, including biblical texts, non-Christian sources, and archaeological artifacts, offering powerful evidence of Jesus Christ's existence and lasting impact.

jesus-from-the-mount.com

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not just the christian god, any god.

If they were real it would be self evident.

From a guy who spend decades as a preacher:

“Christians go in with their god as an assumption rather than a conclusion. When in fact, after close examination, the virgin birth falls apart, the resurrection falls apart, the basis of morality falls apart, the promise of afterlife fizzles into fear based marketing.”

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture. If they actually existed, we wouldn’t need the books to claim they did. Once the book fails, the god goes with it.”



Feel free to explain why he is wrong or right.

Watch these Universe Sandbox videos and you'll see how unique our planet is. ONE CHANGE and earth in uninhabitable. We are unique in this universe

Fulfilled prophecy is another proof of the God of the Bible and not Islam)

 

[Manonthestreet]

And we have no evidence except from a book that that really happened.

Yeah all those prophecies of Christ's birth...........ooops

 

[midcan5]

As long as you are a good person and do some good, that matters. As for god, there are lots to choose from, take your pick. The odd thing about death is you are not going to know you are dead - or anything else at that point.

Is There a God? Stephen Hawking Gives the Definitive Answer to the Eternal Question

“The universe is the ultimate free lunch.”

www.themarginalian.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The odd thing about death is you are not going to know you are dead - or anything else at that point

Only if the Atheist viewpoint is correct.
If we are wrong it won't matter.
If you are wrong, it WILL matter
We are not wrong

If a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my appointed life I will wait until my CHANGE comes

 

[onefour1]

As long as you are a good person and do some good, that matters. As for god, there are lots to choose from, take your pick. The odd thing about death is you are not going to know you are dead - or anything else at that point.

Is There a God? Stephen Hawking Gives the Definitive Answer to the Eternal Question

“The universe is the ultimate free lunch.”

www.themarginalian.org

According to the Bible there is life after death. Jesus, upon his death went among the spirits of the dead and taught them his gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Our spirits upon death are still alive and they await the time of their resurrection from the dead. While they wait, Jesus went among them and set up his minister among them to teach the gospel to the dead. Eventually both the just and the unjust will be resurrected and receive an immortal body of flesh and bones to live throughout all eternity.


Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

The just will be resurrected from the time of Jesus' resurrection up through the second coming of Christ. At his coming, the righteous will come forth from the grave to meet him at his coming at the beginning of his millennial reign. The unjust will not resurrect until the end of Jesus' millennial reign of 1000 years.

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So, I think the spirit of the dead will remember their earthly mortality and be waiting for the day of their resurrection.

 

[0311]

If you're pre-birth, you're fine. If you are pre-school, you're fucked. !!

Carlin so very right about that.

 

[0311]

According to the Bible there is life after death. Jesus, upon his death went among the spirits of the dead and taught them his gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Our spirits upon death are still alive and they await the time of their resurrection from the dead. While they wait, Jesus went among them and set up his minister among them to teach the gospel to the dead. Eventually both the just and the unjust will be resurrected and receive an immortal body of flesh and bones to live throughout all eternity.


Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

The just will be resurrected from the time of Jesus' resurrection up through the second coming of Christ. At his coming, the righteous will come forth from the grave to meet him at his coming at the beginning of his millennial reign. The unjust will not resurrect until the end of Jesus' millennial reign of 1000 years.

Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So, I think the spirit of the dead will remember their earthly mortality and be waiting for the day of their resurrection.

Peter had auditory hallucinations. The ******* hly myth book means nothing. Full lies. No ******* god, just weak minded people who are afraid to think for temselves.