Zone1 If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[The Irish Ram]

What I mean by "Where did the curse come from?" I mean.... Curses aren't real. I can't curse you and you can't curse me, it's simply not possible.

Humans brought a curse on the world? How? How was the possible, who did it? God? Can God curse people? Does God say "I don't like you, so here's a curse?"

Curses were simply a way of ignorant people to blame bad things they didn't understand on something they thought they could control. Surely we're better than that now, or not?

Just because someone has "addressed a topic" with me, doesn't mean I'm satisfied with your answer. Doesn't mean I accept you answer.

To be honest I think you're getting rather aggressive, so I'll leave it there.

You don't seem to understand the concept of the Nephilim. You choose to believe they were humans that God murdered because He was having a bad day. That fits your narrative for trying to judge God for His actions, and finding Him wanting. Good luck with that.

Yes, God can bless or curse. His malediction toward Jezebel is an example. God turned her into literal dog shit.
You believe there are no curses, that Satan doesn't exist and if God does exist, he doesn't measure up to what you'd like Him to be. That is why we are told NOT to lean on our own understanding. God's IQ is so far above ours, we lack the ability to comprehend all of His actions.

You have a choice, you can tell God what an ass you think He is when your case is called at the White Throne Judgment, or, you can get to know Christ. You may not know Him, but He certainly knows you.
You are so important to Him that He died to make sure you could spend your eternity with Him as a Child of the Most High. He took your punishment for sin, and gave you His perfect record, to enter into Heaven, as a gift.
Accept the gift from someone who loves you more than you can fathom...

 

[Crepitus]

But you don't need a book so the OP and the quoted author are wrong.
If you didn't have a Bible or couldn't read / comprehend, or didn't have a Congregation to go to, everything you'd need would be sitting there all along (like cliff notes) in the name and legend of the Holy City of YeruShalem.
From containing the descriptive name describing the Essence of God, to describing our purpose and direction / path ( so it's not subjective), to the short version and conclusion to the battle between the fallen message / messenger and the overturner-rising rightful messenger, being in the legend of how YeruShalem becomes the city of peace.
Like I said everything in the beacon/ focus that is the HOLY CITY.
So without the Bible everything is still there in the single holy name.

It's essential to define that power & source of Life (God) in order to know our purpose, place, path, and thus know if we are in line (doing good) or going against the grain (doing evil).
The Torah tells us God's Essence is in the city's name, Shalem means completeness -wholeness, Stability, which is why Genesis says God creates order out of chaos, not out of nothing.
Knowing/describing that essence in life helps discern from subjective opinions on what is in line or against the grain (right or wrong, good or bad).
So ask yourself is that Shalem(stable,becoming complete) or opposition to Shalem(chaotic & divisive) to know good from evil without it being mere subjective opinion.
Like I said many times, the holy name is like cliff notes which is why the city is our focus and Iris of the Eye of God.

Sources:
YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

Type: "David named 2 sons after Shalem"
in google search.

You guys keep quoting books.

It's almost like you didn't even read the OP.

 

[Crepitus]

There is no way the majority of sexual molesters or any other criminals are church goers. You people will go to great lengths to lie.
This doesn't even pass the logic test. Why would a group with stronger mores who teach against evil commit more evil than those who have no standards of behavior? Answer: They don't. No countries commit more atrocities and murder and evil than those whose governments who deny God's existence.

Feel free to prove that.

Because they are the ones with no standards of behavior.

 

[Crepitus]

And again, do you know the odds of all 21 amino acids forming randomly, then all being in the same place at the same time and combining to form proteins, then the proteins combining to form a single DNA molecule? Remember, this is what you claim happened, totally randomly. Also remember that a single DNA molecule is useless for life unless it is used by a cell, so you have to have the other parts of the cell ALSO forming randomly in that same place at that same time or the DNA molecule falls apart and dies uselessly, leaving the entire process to start all over again. And, of course, the cell needs to know how to use the DNA molecule to replicate itself or again, it's useless.

Billions of years of building on successful combinations. Didn't happen in 6 days, lol.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“The gods of Islam, of Judaism, of Christianity only exist in scripture.

True – where god is real in that it’s a creation of man; man created religions and god.

But there is no ‘god’ as perceived by theists – there is no omnipotent extraterrestrial deity that hears prayers, intercedes on the behalf of humans, and issues edicts of religious dogma that must be obeyed lest transgressors are consigned to eternal damnation – that ‘god’ does not exist.

 

[Mashmont]

Feel free to prove that.

Because they are the ones with no standards of behavior.

It's true. Atheists do whatever they want. They don't believe in rules or a rule-giver. With them, it's all about self and selfishness.
Shacking up? Fine.
Sex outside marriage? No problem.
Cheat on your spouse? No biggie
Violence against your enemies? Bring it on.
Be an alcoholic poor example to your kids? Whatever I want.
Hard-hearted estrangement and lack of forgiveness? They pissed me off.

Very large overlap of atheists and radical leftists.

 

[BreezeWood]

God killed all but 8 people, but not because He was angry. Doing it grieved Him. The reason He did it was to preserve the human race, because only 8 humans were pure in their generations. They still had only human DNA. Hybrids/Nephilim were the reason for the flood.

the heavens reluctantly decided to give humanity a second chance, those left reaming were far from being sinless just more good than evil as the opposite of the humanity that were unequivocally to be put to death when those last few were to perish anyway culminating the reason for the parable.

 

[Crepitus]

It's true. Atheists do whatever they want. They don't believe in rules or a rule-giver. With them, it's all about self and selfishness.
Shacking up? Fine.
Sex outside marriage? No problem.
Cheat on your spouse? No biggie
Violence against your enemies? Bring it on.
Be an alcoholic poor example to your kids? Whatever I want.

Very large overlap of atheists and radical leftists.

Even you aren't stupid enough to really believe that shit.

 

[HaShev]

You guys keep quoting books.

It's almost like you didn't even read the OP.

Wrong that's dishonest if you, the name and it's meaning and oral legend is not a book, the references at the end were to back my point about the name tocthosexwho request sources to back my comment, because people use other descriptions(names) for the non anthropromorphic description of creation's Essence.
You just don't get it, because you are as much a victim of their anthropromorphic descriptions of a figure and form God.

 

[Crepitus]

Wrong that's dishonest if you, the name and it's meaning and oral legend is not a book, the references at the end were to back my point about the name tocthosexwho request sources to back my comment, because people use other descriptions(names) for the non anthropromorphic description of creation's Essence.
You just don't get it, because you are as much a victim of their anthropromorphic descriptions of a figure and form God.

And you know about these references because you read them where?

 

[frigidweirdo]

According to Genesis, there was a time when the world had God's protection, and all was good as the world was protected from evil. Then Adam and Eve came to a decision. They wanted to become like God and know both good and evil--and ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The etymology of the Hebrew word translated as 'curse' literally means "the removal of God's protection". Mankind wanted to know both good and evil, which meant they asked God to remove his protection so that they could know evil. Doing without God's protection comes with consequences (perhaps a better description than 'curse'). Evil enters into the world and into our lives.

This is why you and I have such opposite concepts of God and the story of the Great Flood. You come from the position that God is bad and blame all that is bad on him. I come from the perspective that God is goodness, so good he brings good out of evil--and mankind desired to have this knowledge of both good and evil. Some, like God, work to bring good out of evil. Some simply enjoy the power of evil and dwell there.

So if everything was good, why was there a tree that allowed them to change this? Who made the tree? God....

I come from a position that this doesn't make sense. This is a story written thousands of years ago by people who wanted a good story and would have people nit-picking at the details.

Now people nit-pick because there's a lot to nit-pick.

 

[frigidweirdo]

God doesn't intervene much that we're aware of. Of course, he will when things get really bad.

So, WW2 wasn't "really bad"?

If things were so bad when Noah was alive, why didn't Noah get killed by people?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You'll have to ask Him when you see Him.

The truth is, we don't know everything. We do, however, know that God does not allow sin to progress beyond a certain point without justice being served, and ultimately, we are no more capable of judging God to be wrong than a toddler is capable of judging his father to be wrong for being put in time out after a temper tantrum. You are attempting to put God under YOUR standard of morality, and as you noted, man has a lot of different standards.

Yep, we don't know everything, in fact we don't know anything.

We make things up.

Well, the standard of morality supposedly comes from God. God tells us what to think is good and bad. The 10 commandments and all that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, NOT A MASS MURDERER. Satan tried to alter man's DNA with a very nasty demonic addition. The results were then and would have been catastrophic for the future of man. God removed the threat to His children. God preserved His children, as would any father.
How many mass extinctions were there in the Garden of Eden? How many thorns? How much pain in childbirth? How much food grew without having to till the soil? How many animals ate each other in the Garden of Eden? Eden was God's plan for us.
Potentially, we could be the only intelligent beings in the universe.
God is everything, Jesus is everything:
John 1:3. ESV All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.


If Satan/Lucifer was smarter than God, he would have stayed in Heaven. He rebelled and was thrown out of Heaven, and 1/3 of the angels left with him. Man, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gave Satan dominion over the earth. It wasn't God's to take back. It was Adam who had dominion over earth. We deal with Satan every day. But his time is limited. The time Satan has left gives God the opportunity to gather Gentile souls to Himself.
Lucifer challenged the perfection of God. If God didn't acknowledge the transfer of dominion of the earth, He would not be 100% just< as in justice.
So, as Satan collected our souls for Hell, God did an end around. Christ became man and removed the sin from man. God judged Jesus instead of us. Making God 100% in justice served. And 100% merciful to us.

When Job challenged God's game plan, God said, "And where were you when I was creating the earth?"

Again, a MASS MURDERER.

"So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!"

Who can read this and not see that God was like "**** you all, I'm killing you all"?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You don't seem to understand the concept of the Nephilim. You choose to believe they were humans that God murdered because He was having a bad day. That fits your narrative for trying to judge God for His actions, and finding Him wanting. Good luck with that.

Yes, God can bless or curse. His malediction toward Jezebel is an example. God turned her into literal dog shit.
You believe there are no curses, that Satan doesn't exist and if God does exist, he doesn't measure up to what you'd like Him to be. That is why we are told NOT to lean on our own understanding. God's IQ is so far above ours, we lack the ability to comprehend all of His actions.

You have a choice, you can tell God what an ass you think He is when your case is called at the White Throne Judgment, or, you can get to know Christ. You may not know Him, but He certainly knows you.
You are so important to Him that He died to make sure you could spend your eternity with Him as a Child of the Most High. He took your punishment for sin, and gave you His perfect record, to enter into Heaven, as a gift.
Accept the gift from someone who loves you more than you can fathom...

You didn't really say anything, did you? Just "here's a thing that doesn't exist that I say does exist".

Where's the evidence?

 

[HaShev]

And you know about these references because you read them where?

What is wrong with you, seriously?
References have nothing to do with the answer to your question, that instead of addressing, you use a smokescreen argument rather than admit your assertion was wrong. You see a pattern here?
Can'tcadmit you were wrong about your political arguments, can't do them with religious one's either=human ego

 

[The Irish Ram]

It didn't start with a modern complex DNA molecule. It started with a couple of proteins and evolved from there.

A DNA molecule requires a DNA program. Single celled organisms contain complex DNA then and now.
A protein is a large, complex molecule made of a chain of programmed amino acids. They are the building blocks for a variety of functions in the body.
Take the eye for example. I don't expect you to read all of that, but a few proteins here and there didn't figure out the eye:

The eye connects to the brain via the optic nerve, a cable of nerve fibers that transmits electrical signals from the retina to the brain. This connection begins with light being converted into electrical signals by photoreceptor cells (rods and cones) in the retina. These signals then travel through a complex visual pathway, including the optic chiasm, before being sent to the visual cortex in the brain, which interprets them into a coherent image.


The connection from eye to brain

• Retina:
  The retina, located at the back of the eye, is covered in light-sensitive cells called rods and cones. When light hits these cells, they convert the light into electrical signals.
  

• Optic nerve:
  The axons of the retinal ganglion cells bundle together to form the optic nerve. This nerve acts like a data cable, carrying the electrical impulses from the retina to the brain.
  
  
• Optic chiasm:
  The optic nerves from each eye meet at a junction called the optic chiasm. Here, some of the nerve fibers cross over, allowing the brain to process information from both eyes to create a single, three-dimensional image.
  
  
• Lateral geniculate nucleus (LGN):
  After the optic chiasm, the pathway continues as the optic tract to the lateral geniculate nucleus (LGN), which is part of the thalamus. The LGN acts as a relay station, processing and sending the visual information onward.
  
  
• Visual cortex:
  The final destination for most visual information is the visual cortex, located in the occipital lobe at the back of the brain. This is where the electrical signals are interpreted as images, colors, and shapes

DNA is an intricate design.
What has protein produced lately?

 

[The Irish Ram]

So if everything was good, why was there a tree that allowed them to change this? Who made the tree? God....

I come from a position that this doesn't make sense. This is a story written thousands of years ago by people who wanted a good story and would have people nit-picking at the details.

Now people nit-pick because there's a lot to nit-pick.

It was the ultimate free will. Adam and Eve had a choice. It was there to test the loyalty of the two.
Satan told Eve that she would become just like God if she ate the fruit. Tells you where her heart was.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It was the ultimate free will. Adam and Eve had a choice. It was there to test the loyalty of the two.
Satan convinced Eve that she would become just like God if she ate the fruit. Tells you where her heart was.

Basically it was God setting himself up to fail.

He made humans and he should have understood what he made.

He gave them the choice, and they chose wrong, so later on after the inevitable, he then went and killed almost everyone.

And inevitably the people he chose to survive, their inbred descendants turned into the same violent people they'd been before God killed them all.

Tells you where all humans' hearts are, I'd say.

Humans wrote this story, complaining that humans are violent. They wrote this, perhaps, in an attempt at telling people not the be violent. And yet, Christianity is the most violent of religions. It's the religion of free will, and that's turned into huge murder rates in Africa and the Americas.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God knows exactly what He is doing. He can see the end from the beginning. Dimensions allow Him to do that. He even writes history in advance. < That's how I know He exists. Man isn't capable of prophecy, but God lays it out.

He knows us and feels we are redeemable. He created eternal children to spend eternity with.
God dealt with Adam and Eve's disobedience on the spot. There was no, Later on He killed everyone because He was mad at Adam and Eve. 1,000 years later on? No.