If capitalism works why are you all getting government handouts ?

I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.
It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html



I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.
Exactly right. Thank you.

Our nation has become a failed state. If we can’t care for the vast majority of our citizens but shower the wealthy with all kinds of goodies, we are a failed state.

Merely stating this obvious fact, makes me a communist in the minds of some.



I've been called a communist since the Reagan years when all of this started.

We could start a club. LOL.
 
i used the first stimulus check to pay for materials to build a built-in in my house. i plan to use a second, if i get it to help pay for a new kitchen in my rental property.

i'm not a huge fan of just handing out money. i have serious doubts about, all of this. but if they are handing it out, i will spend it to contribute to the "Stimulus" effect they are going for.
Don’t be concerned. Trillions are handed out to the ultra wealthy.


that is part of my reasoning.


more and more, i am coming to believe that the debt, none of the debt, our or other governments, will really be paid off.


we are in a unsustainable situation, and there is no reason to expect anything other than some form of crash and burn.


like when bob and doug mckenizie lost control of the beer truck, on icy road.


"no use steering now".
/——/ Actually, driver training teaches us to take our foot off the brakes and steer into the skid to regain control. A simple across the board spending cut of 10% would retire the debt in a few years.


spending cuts are impossible due to unfunded entitlements.


hell, a spending freeze is impossible for the same reason.


and changing that, in a democratic system, with a greying population seems to be impossible.


hell, DISCUSSING it openly, seems to be impossible.


it seems to be an inherent flaw in the concept of the current model of the liberal nation-state, across the board.


if not worse than that. i believe that illiberal authoritarian states have similar issues, such as russia and china.
/——/ I should have been specific. A 10% cut across the board in discretionary spending. Entitlements can be trimmed by aggressively eliminating fraud and waste.


discretionary spending is not the problem. unsustainable entitlement growth is.

fraud and waste is not enough. we have pension systems that were set up when the populations were still majority freaking farmers, and based on the assumption of ever growing populations.


now, we have a declining population.


no use steering now.
/—-/ So you don’t even want to try to rein in spending. 11 Bizarre Things the U.S. Government Actually Spent Money On


correct. any effort expended on discretionary spending is worth than useless, because it creates the illusion of doing something,


when we are in a powerdive towards flame and ruin.
They want to pound their chests and say, see we cared. That money is useless for a family. Zippolla
 
I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.
It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html



I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.
Exactly right. Thank you.

Our nation has become a failed state. If we can’t care for the vast majority of our citizens but shower the wealthy with all kinds of goodies, we are a failed state.

Merely stating this obvious fact, makes me a communist in the minds of some.



I've been called a communist since the Reagan years when all of this started.

We could start a club. LOL.
You are
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?


No double standard.....the government told private businesses they had to close....that is a public taking of private property, and in the Constitution, that has to be done only with compensation......
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?

When the government forces businesses to close...how is that capitalism?

Capitalism created the ventilators, and all of the medical technology used to save lives...

What did the government do.........The democrat party governors sent infected patients into nursing homes......killing 10s of thousands.....
 
The answer to you title, is NOBODYS WORKING BECAUSE OF STATE GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE.

Michigan's at 21% unemployment because Gretche Whitler shut the state down. That's not "capitalism"
Yet another stupid fuck blaming the States for Trump's COVID failure.

You really think that without the shut downs that people would be flocking to bars & restaurants, etc when the infection rates would be so much higher without the shut downs?
prove it. pull the benchmark data that agrees with your post. You can't, but you're condescension will have you insult me.
There is lots of data on the option that did not happen. Not.

You think the only reason people did not go out to eat was because there were closed. Lots of people would no go because of the virus. Lots of people only venture out now when absolutely necessary because of the virus. Withiout the shutdown, we could have tens of millions more infections, lots more deasrth & lots mopre people staying home.
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?

When the government forces businesses to close...how is that capitalism?

Capitalism created the ventilators, and all of the medical technology used to save lives...

What did the government do.........The democrat party governors sent infected patients into nursing homes......killing 10s of thousands.....

Same old lie. Nursing home residents get Covid, go to the hosptal & when they are ready to be discharged, where the fuck do you stupid Assholes want them to gv>? Have an answer? Didn't think so.
 
I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.
It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html



I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.
Exactly right. Thank you.

Our nation has become a failed state. If we can’t care for the vast majority of our citizens but shower the wealthy with all kinds of goodies, we are a failed state.

Merely stating this obvious fact, makes me a communist in the minds of some.



I've been called a communist since the Reagan years when all of this started.

We could start a club. LOL.
You’ve got me beat by a few years.
 
They might not have, but the one's who did kept them in check. So it may have been the super elites coupled with the social issues that which allowed them to keep attention deflected away from them and their greed/raping of the system's.
I think greed is the reason capitalism was invented:
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No, no, no, greed is not the reason it was invented. Capitalism without a checks and balances system can be consumed by greed or the greedy yes. We have a capitalist system that was built on honor and integrity, but the men and women must be honorable and morally aware to be able to resist the temptation that an open free market system grants them. Abuse it and lose it.

As America has rejected God in this nation, who knows where it goes from here. Trump has tried to restore the system MAGA, but the forces of globalism and greed has fought him the whole way. On the other front the forces of evil fights him everywhere he turns.

Hopefully he wins with the nation's help to overcome these wars, so with the same rallying call Obama was giving, he can't do it alone. People need to support him if they reject the other side's policies and culture's. Take a stand America or you are done.

If Trump falters, then quickly salvage the situation by supporting your next option, and make sure you don't vote for Biden the next race baiting con man after Obama.
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?
Capitalism works until the government shuts the economy down which means socialism doesn't work because it's maintained by the government.
Glad I could set you straight
The government shuts it down (to much power), and then it opens it back up with a socialist justification. That's it's way of operating In light of the emergencies going on. Otherwise never let a good crisis go to waste eh ?? Obammy said it himself, that after he was elected, he was now going to fundementally transform America.

Well we are all still in that transformation, but Trump put a huge wrinkle in that plan. Trump revealed alot of things that the Democrats didn't want known about their overall agenda's, and they hate him for it.
 
I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.
It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html



I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.
Most make way more per week than a lousy 300+600=$900.00 a week. So no your premises are all wrong. Most people want to go back to work so they can resume their better paying jobs.

The government acting as a union for the poor in this country, has been a miserable failure under Democrat administration's. Work is therapeutic, and it is helpful in many ways, but when government helps, it is detrimental in many ways just as it has been proven time and time again.

Gotta get the government out of domestic area's, and return it to it's rightful place. It's platform has been highjacked, and it is being used in a detrimental way. Now the cratzi's losing control of the government, quickly turned it's eyes towards highjacking the NFL platform along with the music platform, and the Hollywood platforms. Anything to get the trend waves started, and to get the conversations changed regardless of who it hurt in the process
You’re not in formed. Median personal income is only $865. Do you know what this means? Half of Americans make less. Oh well, fuck them. I got mine.

Median personal income for the population age 25 or older in 2005[1]
Personal income is an individual's total earnings from wages, investment interest, and other sources. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported a median personal income of $865 weekly for all full-time workers in 2017.[2] The U.S. Census Bureaulists the annual median personal income at $31,099 in 2016.[3]
Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia
Wait, what about those who make choices in their life that gets them these lower income jobs ??? Otherwise job's in which until the leftist radicals came along to tell them how miserable and entitled they should be, were actually satisfied and living happier lives at these lower paying, less responsibility, easier hours, ease of operational types of jobs.

That's right, when a I was young I made less money, less benefits, worked less hours, had more time off, and was much happier in my life then. Now I work harder, make more money, more benefits, took on more responsibility, work long hours, way less time off, more stressed out, less leasure time, and a number of gripes making me way less happy than I was back then.

So this makes me think that after what I now know, it wouldn't pay for a leftist to come by trying to convince me that my life would be way better if I was to take on more hours, more responsibility, and way more stress for more pay, because I might just tell them to go to hell... Rotflmbo.
 
The democrat party launched this attack on the NRA as they were about to buy lots of ads in battleground states....this is an attack on the American system, nothing more, nothing less.

The asshat left wingers here on U.S.messageboard can lie, and lie all day long..... but the truth is that the democrat party will no longer follow American political traditions and laws........this is a naked grab for power, the 2nd Civil War, opening shots.

Far-left New York Democrat Attorney General Letitia James’ attempts to destroy the National Rifle Association come as the NRA announced early on Thursday morning that it plans on spending “tens of millions” of dollars in battleground states in the run-up to the 2020 election.

Jason Ouimet, who runs the NRA’s lobbying arm and political action committee, told The Washington Free Beacon that the group is planning to spend heavily in swing states, including Arizona, Colorado, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.


James filed a lawsuit on Thursday to dissolve the NRA claiming that the organization was self-dealing, and was subsequently slammed by critics for allegedly abusing her power to target a political opponent.

“We’ll be in those places at every level,” Ouimet said. “You are literally going to be dealing with the potential confiscation of firearms. You’re literally going to be told you can’t carry in certain places. You can’t own certain things for self-defense. Folks need to understand that.”

“We’ll spend tens of millions of dollars. Will it be $50 million? I don’t know,” Ouimet continued. “We got shut down from doing any of that level of fundraising. Yeah, that has an impact on us just the same way it has an impact on everybody else. Does it mean that we’re not going to be effective? Does it mean that we’re not going to play? No.”

 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?


America only works when it works. Same bailout in '07. It is a big Ponzi sceme.

Money giveback? No, but kinda. Used the last check to pay Fed and state taxes.
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?
We're all not asshole. Mind your own God damn business shitforbrains.
 

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?
Why do you care exactly?
 
I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.
It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html



I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.
Exactly right. Thank you.

Our nation has become a failed state. If we can’t care for the vast majority of our citizens but shower the wealthy with all kinds of goodies, we are a failed state.

Merely stating this obvious fact, makes me a communist in the minds of some.



I've been called a communist since the Reagan years when all of this started.

We could start a club. LOL.
You’ve got me beat by a few years.



I'm old. LOL.
 

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