If capitalism works why are you all getting government handouts ?

[georgephillip]

A marriage of socialism and capitalism balance right may work. Its how it is done and we are doing it now. Perhaps some

Worker self-directed enterprises incorporate socialism and capitalism: workers no longer have to check their democratic rights at the workplace door, yet the state would have no ownership stake in their enterprises:

Worker Self-Directed Enterprises: The Cure for Capitalism - Resilience

"Nowhere in the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, do you see an entire economy made up of independent worker-owners who own and control their own enterprises.

"Rather you see state control of enterprises using anti-democratic methods to deny human beings their fundamental rights, just as private owners do in the rest of the world."

 

[Correll]

They might not have, but the one's who did kept them in check. So it may have been the super elites coupled with the social issues that which allowed them to keep attention deflected away from them and their greed/raping of the system's.

I think greed is the reason capitalism was invented:

not in america. in america you drive around very much at all, and you end up drive though oceans of nice suburbs, and nice city neighborhoods and nice rural areas.

so who is this m parenti and why is he so full of crap?

 

[gipper]

I consider it a rebate of income illegally confiscated before I even receive it. Even with a second stimulus check, the government still has several thousand dollars of my income "after" my tax refund came.
Those that have no tax liability after receiving their refund shouldn't get the money.

It’s most ironic that our government and the Fed bailout big business to the tune of trillions, yet no one says this is a disincentive to work. However, they do say this for the working class.

Republicans call the $600 unemployment boost a disincentive to work. Many experts disagree
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/is-...a-disincentive-to-work-no-economists-say.html

I find it funny that people scream about 600 dollars being a disincentive to work.

Yet they don't see that the problem is that people aren't making enough money at work. It's not the problem of unemployment. The problem is people aren't being paid a living wage.

While the owners, ceos, executives and stockholders walk away with millions.

Paying people a living wage is very bad but it's great that those at the top walk away with millions.

We have to shower the filthy rich to give them incentives to do business in America but we can't make sure our people have a living wage to give them an incentive to go to work.

The values and priorities in some people in our nation are all messed up.

Most make way more per week than a lousy 300+600=$900.00 a week. So no your premises are all wrong. Most people want to go back to work so they can resume their better paying jobs.

The government acting as a union for the poor in this country, has been a miserable failure under Democrat administration's. Work is therapeutic, and it is helpful in many ways, but when government helps, it is detrimental in many ways just as it has been proven time and time again.

Gotta get the government out of domestic area's, and return it to it's rightful place. It's platform has been highjacked, and it is being used in a detrimental way. Now the cratzi's losing control of the government, quickly turned it's eyes towards highjacking the NFL platform along with the music platform, and the Hollywood platforms. Anything to get the trend waves started, and to get the conversations changed regardless of who it hurt in the process

You’re not in formed. Median personal income is only $865. Do you know what this means? Half of Americans make less. Oh well, fuck them. I got mine.

Median personal income for the population age 25 or older in 2005[1]
Personal income is an individual's total earnings from wages, investment interest, and other sources. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported a median personal income of $865 weekly for all full-time workers in 2017.[2] The U.S. Census Bureaulists the annual median personal income at $31,099 in 2016.[3]
Personal income in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

Enough to keep his people fed and housed! I know you hate that!

Here's a better way

Worker Self-Directed Enterprises: The Cure for Capitalism - Resilience

"When it comes to defining socialism, one will find as many definitions as they do adherents.

"To wit, the dictionary provides an unhelpful non-explication.

"While an entire chapter of Understanding Socialism is devoted to defining the word, right at the outset Wolff provides one of the broadest definitions of the term socialism I’ve heard. Socialism is a yearning..."

 

[LeftofLeft]

Stimulus check money: You and your family may get $1,200 or more with another relief payment

Here's how much to expect if the IRS sends out an additional round of stimulus checks in 2020.

www.cnet.com

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?

Capitalism has been mangled over the last 40 years, creating massive inequalities and giving rise to far more interest in socialism.

It's not capitalism's fault; it's the way it has been applied.

Inequalities exist in ALL economies. Capitalism is the only one that offers economic opportunity.

 

[georgephillip]

not in america. in america you drive around very much at all, and you end up drive though oceans of nice suburbs, and nice city neighborhoods and nice rural areas.

Maybe you should drive a little further and take a good look at US poverty?

 

[Correll]

not in america. in america you drive around very much at all, and you end up drive though oceans of nice suburbs, and nice city neighborhoods and nice rural areas.

Maybe you should drive a little further and take a good look at US poverty?

i have driven a lot. your description of what capitalism creates, is just not true of america.

i'm not going to watch your marxist video. if he makes a point you want to share, then share the point.


and i will crush it like i crush all of your points, and then you will cut everything away and make some other unrelated point.


that i will crush like a bug . and the wheel turns.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stimulus check money: You and your family may get $1,200 or more with another relief payment

Here's how much to expect if the IRS sends out an additional round of stimulus checks in 2020.

www.cnet.com

There seem to be double standards at work here. I do think that it is the role of government to help out when capitalism fails but so many of my fellow posters seem to be happy decrying "Venezuela" whilst gorging themselves on the government teat.

Are you all going to give the money back ?

If Marxism is better, why did the USSR collapse?

 

[georgephillip]

i'm not going to watch your marxist video. if he makes a point you want to share, then share the point.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"by Michael Parenti
Writer, Dandelion Salad
Previously posted July 31, 2011
April 7, 2018

"There is a 'mystery' we must explain: How is it that as corporate investments and foreign aid and international loans to poor countries have increased dramatically throughout the world over the last half century, so has poverty?

"The number of people living in poverty is growing at a faster rate than the world’s population.

"What do we make of this?"

 

[Correll]

i'm not going to watch your marxist video. if he makes a point you want to share, then share the point.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"by Michael Parenti
Writer, Dandelion Salad
Previously posted July 31, 2011
April 7, 2018

"There is a 'mystery' we must explain: How is it that as corporate investments and foreign aid and international loans to poor countries have increased dramatically throughout the world over the last half century, so has poverty?

"The number of people living in poverty is growing at a faster rate than the world’s population.

"What do we make of this?"

1. i don't know that that is true.

2. could be any one of a number of possible explanations. do you want me to speculate? i can if you want.

3 mmm, you didn't actually make a point there, you do realize that, right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

i'm not going to watch your marxist video. if he makes a point you want to share, then share the point.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"by Michael Parenti
Writer, Dandelion Salad
Previously posted July 31, 2011
April 7, 2018

"There is a 'mystery' we must explain: How is it that as corporate investments and foreign aid and international loans to poor countries have increased dramatically throughout the world over the last half century, so has poverty?

"The number of people living in poverty is growing at a faster rate than the world’s population.

"What do we make of this?"

Poor countries have higher birthrates.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have been paying for other people's welfare checks for decades. I have no intention of sending back a pittance of that being returned to me.

 

[Correll]

i'm not going to watch your marxist video. if he makes a point you want to share, then share the point.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"by Michael Parenti
Writer, Dandelion Salad
Previously posted July 31, 2011
April 7, 2018

"There is a 'mystery' we must explain: How is it that as corporate investments and foreign aid and international loans to poor countries have increased dramatically throughout the world over the last half century, so has poverty?

"The number of people living in poverty is growing at a faster rate than the world’s population.

"What do we make of this?"

Poor countries have higher birthrates.

while most first world nations are experiencing actual population decline.

mmm, it is almost like there are ton of factors in play, and george's wish to just say "capitalism" is not...


sensible.

 

[georgephillip]

3 mmm, you didn't actually make a point there, you do realize that, right?

Here's a clue:
Wealth creates poverty.
Can you find my point now?

 

[georgephillip]

Poor countries have higher birthrates.

Birth rate - Wikipedia

"According to the CIA's The World Factbook,[26] the country with the highest birth rate is Niger at 6.49 children born per woman and the country with the lowest birth rate is Taiwan, at 1.13 children born per woman.

"However, despite not having any official records, it can be presumed for obvious reasons that the Holy See has the lowest birth rate of any sovereign state."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

3 mmm, you didn't actually make a point there, you do realize that, right?

Here's a clue:
Wealth creates poverty.
Can you find my point now?

Wealth creates poverty.

Where has destroying wealth eliminated poverty?

Give your 5 favorite examples.

 

[22lcidw]

A marriage of socialism and capitalism balance right may work. Its how it is done and we are doing it now. Perhaps some

Worker self-directed enterprises incorporate socialism and capitalism: workers no longer have to check their democratic rights at the workplace door, yet the state would have no ownership stake in their enterprises:

Worker Self-Directed Enterprises: The Cure for Capitalism - Resilience

"Nowhere in the Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, do you see an entire economy made up of independent worker-owners who own and control their own enterprises.

"Rather you see state control of enterprises using anti-democratic methods to deny human beings their fundamental rights, just as private owners do in the rest of the world."

You are arguing semantics using politics. We know what exists here. We are arguing changes that are more then what we have. There is corruption in this. So we argue energy. We argue medical care. And so on. The 19th century brought in the industrialists. How does that mesh with the constitution? How does socialist policies mesh with the constitution. The document says nothing about socialism or capitalism. It does say freedom. And we are losing them. From government and corporations.

 

[georgephillip]

Where has destroying wealth eliminated poverty?

Give your 5 favorite examples.

Wealth creates poverty.
Try to focus.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"In Haiti, for instance, workers are paid 11 cents an hour by corporate giants such as Disney, Wal-Mart, and J.C. Penny.

"The United States is one of the few countries that has refused to sign an international convention for the abolition of child labor and forced labor.

"This position stems from the child labor practices of U.S. corporations throughout the Third World and within the United States itself, where children as young as 12 suffer high rates of injuries and fatalities, and are often paid less than the minimum wage."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where has destroying wealth eliminated poverty?

Give your 5 favorite examples.

Wealth creates poverty.
Try to focus.

Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty in the World by Michael Parenti

"In Haiti, for instance, workers are paid 11 cents an hour by corporate giants such as Disney, Wal-Mart, and J.C. Penny.

"The United States is one of the few countries that has refused to sign an international convention for the abolition of child labor and forced labor.

"This position stems from the child labor practices of U.S. corporations throughout the Third World and within the United States itself, where children as young as 12 suffer high rates of injuries and fatalities, and are often paid less than the minimum wage."

Wealth creates poverty.
Try to focus.

I'm trying to stop laughing.

"In Haiti, for instance, workers are paid 11 cents an hour by corporate giants such as Disney, Wal-Mart, and J.C. Penny.

Before the workers started earning 11 cents an hour, was there more poverty or less poverty?

 

[georgephillip]

You are arguing semantics using politics. We know what exists here. We are arguing changes that are more then what we have

For thousands of years economic systems have functioned according to one big maxim: a small percentage of society control the lives of a majority of their countrymen and women.

Slavery had masters and slaves.
Feudalism had lords and serfs.
Capitalism has owners and workers.

Self-directed worker enterprises break with that tradition, and that represents one BIG change for billions of workers on this planet.

Workers' Self-Directed Enterprises | Portside

"Socialists effectively challenged capitalism, often took and held political power, and influenced many academics, intellectuals, popular organizations, artistic projects, and so on.

"But now socialism’s growth in many places has stalled or reversed.

"Yet socialists still have the accumulated history, experience, and theoretical means to define a socialism for the 21st century that can rally, mobilize, and unify capitalism’s diverse victims and critics."