Zone1 If Biden Issued a Gun Control EO That Included Forced Confiscation, Would You Support This?

[Captain Caveman]

There is regulation, already. Overwhelmingly, the left doesn't want regulation. They want elimination and private gun ownership and forfeiture of 2A rights.

Elimination of a population that is armed is a predictable pattern of leftist gulags.

Yes, of course there is

 

[Hollie]

Yes, of course there is

Correct. The 20th century has countless examples of Stalinist / Marxist / Socialist authoritarians who disarmed their populations.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Correct. The 20th century has countless examples of Stalinist / Marxist / Socialist authoritarians who disarmed their populations.

Guns regulations doesn't disarm a population, gun bans disarms a population.

There are 195 countries with a total population of 8 billion

There are 17 countries that ban guns with a total population of 138,734,651

8.7% of countries with 1.73% of the world's population banned guns

There are 5 countries that are classed to have tyrannical governments, only 2 have banned guns

Countries Where Guns Are Illegal 2023

 

[Hollie]

Guns regulations doesn't disarm a population, gun bans disarms a population.

There are 195 countries with a total population of 8 billion

There are 17 countries that ban guns with a total population of 138,734,651

8.7% of countries with 1.73% of the world's population banned guns

There are 5 countries that are classed to have tyrannical governments, only 2 have banned guns

Countries Where Guns Are Illegal 2023

Strange, that. The 20th century has a record of leftist authoritarianism where the public was banned from ownership of firearms, similar to a number of authoritarian governments in the link you supplied.

Can you identify those countries in the link you supplied with a Constitution similar to that of the US?

 

[Stryder50]

No. And it is both not a possibility and something that will never happen

Unfortunately it is a possibility, COVID mandates were a sign and test of such.
More effective question is if it's a probability. (Biden wins another term and the odds for YES go up significantly).
The Left is in lock step with agenda of international socialism and fascism in general. Such tyrannies require the citizenship be disarmed.

 

[Moonglow]

Why does the right run to this conspiracy so often? The first time I heard it was during Clinton.

 

[Stryder50]

I have no problem with the government confiscating specific peoples' firearms with cause, including:
- Domestic abusers;
- People with violent mental health issues;
- Cases in which a judge has determined a specific person to be a risk to themselves or others;
- Those who got their firearms under false pretenses, and so on.

But not an absolute ban. Fortunately, there is no widespread effort for an absolute ban.

I do not think it is possible to have the world be utterly firearm-free, whether legally or otherwise. But, if we're living hypothetically, if some wizard snapped his fingers and they all miraculously ceased to exist, yes, there is plenty of evidence to support that violent crime and suicide rates would both plummet.

Blade weapons~knives, swords, axes, etc.; clubs~bats, stout pieces of wood, etc.; bows and crossbows; heavy blunt objects; fists and feet; poison; etc.

No shortage of alternatives to use if firearms are not available and the inclination and motivation are strong.

History before gunpowder was discovered would underscore this.

BTW, wife like to watch a lot of Brit TV, and it seems they have an obsession with murder 'mystery' programs, and in a culture that is now mostly gun free. I've often joked with her that if all these fictions were real, England would be barely populated. Heck, there's even a book:
Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village by Johnson,...

I doubt we'd see a plummet. More likely an increase since the more vulnerable ~ elderly, disabled, females, lesser body builds, etc. ~ will be easier pickings.

 

[Stryder50]

Why does the right run to this conspiracy so often? The first time I heard it was during Clinton.

Why does the Left constantly run to the conspiracy that it's "GUNS"(firearms) that are the major cause of death in the USA?

 

[Moonglow]

Why does the Left constantly run to the conspiracy that it's "GUNS"(firearms) that are the major cause of death in the USA?

because they are ignorant like the right.

 

[Stryder50]

because they are ignorant like the right.

There are perhaps too many ignorant on both sides, which is inform and educate might help change perspective and opinion.
I was just presenting the other side of your broad brush.

 

[Stryder50]

That is one of the better articles, I have seen on what happened and the confiscation of personal weapons from civilian during the event. I have friends that were activated to Title 10 federal duty to go down there. It wasn't just lower and middle class, that had their weapons confiscated. There were confiscations in gated subdivision that were not torn up by the storm, but weapons confiscated from homeowners that simply had weapons for their own protection. The people I talked to said the Federally activated units from across the country, did not do the actual confiscation, but were used as armed backup, while the NOPD and state troopers did that, while guardsmen locked and loaded, overwatched onsite and then left those homeowners and went to other homes and neighborhoods. Used as overwatch backup is a fine distinction, that left a bad taste in their mouth on being involved, but they followed orders.
What was done once under emergency declaration can be done again, and you and I do not get a voice in it, when it comes down. I advise anybody, keep your weapons secure, but have some stashed, not easily accessible or easily found. You would literally have to tear my house and property apart to find everything. In the event of a major emergency when Law enforcement loses control and the normal society breaks down, you will not find me disarmed in my home, even if the government left with several weapons and significant ammo. You believe what you like and do what you like.

New Orleans was a "one of" example. If mandated nation wide, 'They' would have to go sequentially place to place to confiscate and I'd suspect that many of the citizenry would organize in opposition. It could get messy real quick. Also, many former and current military are among the "gunnutters" and likely will find a way to not be available for this sort of "backup" (if not helping provide the armed opposition).

The stashing idea is a good one many apply, but the stashed weapons should have serial numbers not on someone's list/register. Otherwise you might receive intense interrogation should They not find all that is on their list.

 

[BoostedHayabusa]

I would support it 100% and I am on the volunteer list to assist with confiscation when the order is given.

 

[BoostedHayabusa]

New Orleans was a "one of" example. If mandated nation wide, 'They' would have to go sequentially place to place to confiscate and I'd suspect that many of the citizenry would organize in opposition. It could get messy real quick. Also, many former and current military are among the "gunnutters" and likely will find a way to not be available for this sort of "backup" (if not helping provide the armed opposition).

The stashing idea is a good one many apply, but the stashed weapons should have serial numbers not on someone's list/register. Otherwise you might receive intense interrogation should They not find all that is on their list.

the have the technology to scan your property from street and other to identify any and all weapons on your property. It will not see through lead.
At the point lead is identified, in comes the SWAT team.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Strange, that. The 20th century has a record of leftist authoritarianism where the public was banned from ownership of firearms, similar to a number of authoritarian governments in the link you supplied.

Can you identify those countries in the link you supplied with a Constitution similar to that of the US?

Which two countries in the world have the same constitution? I don't think they copied and pasted them.

 

[Stryder50]

I would support it 100% and I am on the volunteer list to assist with confiscation when the order is given.

You've established your creds for fabrication and disinformation, so back this up by stating and proving who's/which list you are on.

Meanwhile, if you are really concerned with deaths of innocent children, we can bank on you also be opposed to abortions, which kill about 2,548 children a day in the USA.

Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

Which two countries in the world have the same constitution? I don't think they copied and pasted them.

Question was for "similar" not "same".
You have problems understanding the King's English?

 

[Hollie]

Which two countries in the world have the same constitution? I don't think they copied and pasted them.

I wrote nothing about two countries. I asked about countries with a similar Constitution.

 

[Failzero]

There are more Firearms in Private ( Non Military / Non LEO )Hands In Anchorage Alaska than there are Firearms in Private Hands In ALL OF CHINA .

 

[Esdraelon]

2-I know many of us will never hand in our guns & will defend our rights with our lives, so that means many people will end up dead.
Much more than the occasional mass shooting by the lunatic fringe.

THIS^ is the reason I will never see the Left as anything but vicious hypocrites on the issue of gun confiscation being about "saving lives". Most of them would CHEERFULLY watch tens of thousands of Americans die while defending their right to keep and bear arms. It isn't about "saving lives" it's about their team winning. All I can say to those who come to my door for that purpose is they'd better be damned sure it won't end well. FOR ANY OF US...

 

[Failzero]

Flood America with Turd Worlders like the Mexican National
Who executed his neighbors entire Family ( including an 8 year old ) then disarm us so we can’t defend ourselves from the Brown dwarf masses .