If Az is shown to have cheated...then what?

[Mac1958]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Um, that the Maricopa County database had been erased.

The GOP election official debunked that one with great ease.

You probably weren't told about this in your universe.

How does that prove nothing will come of this audit?

I didn't say that it did.

But I'm very disappointed you didn't just deny the whole story. That your King lied.

THAT would have been GREAT fun!

I don't really know what he said, but it doesn't matter. No matter what Trump said, it doesn't debunk the audit.

Of course you don't care about his lies. That's old news.

 

[gipper]

I don’t know but a nation that can’t hold a fair and transparent election, is a failed nation.

Except we held a fair and transparent election...

The craziness is we are still using the "Bad idea because they wanted to get home and rape their slaves" method of picking a president, instead of just having a direct election like any sensible nation would do.

To note......as crazy as it was 2016 was a fair election also.

That’s the thing with partisans, they can’t think rationally.

1. Prove that partisans don't think rationally, you can't
2. Partisans are active in the policies being voted on, as opposed to low-information voters, or non-voters
3. The old saying, "everyone votes their own pocketbook" is generally true

That’s too easy. Partisans of the two gangs think their gang is better, when clearly there is little difference between them. But like I stated, you must be able to think rationally and partisans can’t.

There are major differences between the two political parties, Leftists vs Conservatives.
If you think that the following policy differences don't matter, you aren't thinking.
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
In-sourcing jobs vs outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.

That’s propaganda designed to deceive you and it’s working.

If you can't see the major differences between the two parties you're either lying, or stupid.
Why are you on this forum when all you say is "both parties suck"?
We're supposed to debate ideas, i.e. real "content". Your posts have no content, maybe you should try the "flame zone"?

Both parties sucking is an idea.

Both parties suck is a simplistic "opinion". Debating ideas is about why each party sucks, and which one sucks more.

In a post which uses the word "suck", three times. Some debate.

One side is debating programs, principles, and an agenda. The other side is claiming the election was stolen, and Donald Trump is the greatest president in history.

One side doesn't suck, but Democrats are very tired of trying to keep the country running while Republicans keep crashing the economy to impoverish working people and benefit their corporate donors.

Starting useless wars sucks. (Syria, Yemen, Libya).

Continuing useless wars (Iraq, Afghanistan) sucks.

And both parties love war, but their supporters apparently can’t see the obvious.

Name the last war a Democrat started, Gipper.

Syria.

The US did not start any war in Syria. The Syrian Government was attacked by rebels having NOTHING to do with the USA.

Obama wanted to go in and stop Assad from gassing and murdering his own people, the Republican House and Senate said "No". Obama respected the wishes of Congress and provided only air support and training assistance.

This is a complete departure from Republicans, like Nixon or the Reagan Administrations who both were told "No" by Congress, and who both undertook clandestine operations in defiance such Congressional refusal in Cambodia and the Middle East, respectively.

Do you deny all the wars D presidents have started since WWII?

 

[Faun]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

I don't believe the election can be reversed at this point. There is no Constitutional remedy for such a case.

 

[konradv]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Quit being so stupid. Aren't you reading the messages or are you just knee-jerk posting?

 

[Mac1958]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Quit being so stupid. Aren't you reading the messages or are you just knee-jerk posting?

It's always tough to know if he's just goofing around or really is serious.

I hope he's just goofing around. Of course, that goes for ALL Trumpsters.

 

[konradv]

Will MI follow suit? And if that is proven as a cheat, what happens? Does Sleepy Joe get to keep on in the WH? Or if proven Trump DID win...does he get brought back as potus?

Sadly it would not change the outcome of the election But it would help to prevent future democrat cheating

I don't understand why it would not change the outcome.

Because that's not how our laws and our election system work. If we could prove that the Biden campaign itself had some knowledge of and collusion in malfeasance in Arizona, then we could impeach him, not that that's an improvement.

Democrats would never impeach Biden, even if we had video of him him barbecuing a child on the capitol steps.

SMH. A pale rip off of what Trump said. It's actually one of the few times he actually told the truth, you not so much.

 

[Batcat]

Perhaps that is why these in power are purging the miliitary of “white supremacists” commonly known as Trump supporters.

Military “Extremism” Purge May Result in Conservatives Being Driven Out of The US Military - Citizens Journal

By Capt Joseph R. John An order was issued by Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin that all members of the US Armed Forces must take a 60 day stand down, to address “extremism”, he, Biden, Harris with the stealth direction of Obama are falsely accusing some of the 2+ million service members of

www.citizensjournal.us

 

[forkup]

I honestly don't know who could be considered truthful to determine if the audit was legit, or the results of the audit were legit.

In science that would make the claim of voter fraud unfalsifiable. If you aren't willing to accept anything, including the conclusions of people who are on your side, that leaves you nowhere.

I'll put it like this. What's more likely? A conspiracy involving the entire judiciary branch, election boards across the country, the DOJ under Bill Barr, Sidney Powell, in order to keep Trump from a second term.

Or Trump lied to you guys?

Occams Razor would have a clear preference I think.

I know you don't want to go into partisanship

It's not that I don't want to go into partisanship. It's that partisanship does not explain the conclusions being reached. The same conclusions are being reached regardless of partisan affiliation.


Do you ever question why you have so little faith in election results? It's not that election fraud has skyrocketed I think. I believe it's because Trump has claimed there is election fraud, without ever offering any evidence to that effect and that claim being amplified by the information sources you ingest. (a guess, but a calculated one I believe)

 

[konradv]

I know you're a leftist, and therefore automatically a narcissist with a vastly-inflated and totally undeserved ego, but everything isn't about you.

I guess that makes Trump a leftist.

Narcissist- check
Vastly inflated ego- check
Everything is about him- check

 

[Burgermeister]

Everything is warped. All is upside down. Cities being burned, the perps released to continue doing it. A man in the white house that should be in a mental ward. Crooked people in control. Lies everywhere. Media involvement. The destruction of freedom of speech. Cheating.

If someone cheats on their taxes and they get caught, they are punished. Some don't get punished at all. Business as usual. But to MAYBE cheat to win an election for POTUS is treason. Period. Wash it any way you want to, it's still treason.

If Trump cheated in 2016, the same applies. He is removed and the running mate put in the WH. If Biden & Co cheated, same deal. Why should our nation suffer the consequences in either case? It's illegal. Against all we supposedly stand for. So WHY, if cheating is proven, would not the person that cheated not be removed? It's false. All of it is false. And those responsible/involved should be behind bars.

No Gracie, everything is right side up. The guy who belongs in the mental ward is now living in Mar-a-lago. The crooked people got voted out of office, and the lies have ended. It you're hearing lies, it's only because you're listening to Donald Trump.

You seem incapable of discerning the truth tellers from the liars. Time to wake up and stop listening to Donald Trump and those who enable his lies. Donald Trump attempted an authoritarian take over of the USA. In almost any other country in the world, he would have be shot on January 6th for treason. He would not have remained in the White House for another day.

There were 3 prior recounts/audits in Arizona and few irregularities were found. Recounts in more than a half dozen states confirmed Biden's victory. Every state in the Union certified their election results, and 53 court cases involving more than 90 judges from all sides, some even appointed by Trump, all confirmed that Donald Trump had no case.

Trump didn't even try to claim the election was "stolen" in the courts. He tried to claim that ballots from the large, urban, predominently black cities, should not be counted. Trump is the guy who cheated. Who tried to sabotage the US postal system to prevent mail-in ballots.

Trump tried to steal the election, and failed. And then he tried to litigate a win and failed. And then he tried to overthrow the government and kill all of the leaders, and that failed.

When are you going to see the reality of who the traitor is here?

Hogwash. You are self projecting.
And for the record, I do not follow Trump. I liked what he did for our country, though. Am I a "deplorable"? Probably. Would I vote for him again? Certainly. Funny how I go with what is right for this nation and not back someone totally against us but I and those like me are the ones that are listening to lies? You see it right in front of your face....but you STILL back up that retard sitting in the oval office. His brain is MUSH. But, you are partisan and thats all that matters..even if it means our country goes down in flames you STILL will defend him and your party.

Get a clue. Now you are going back on ignore.

NO Gracie. I'm not even an American. I'm standing on the other side of the border, watching Donald Trump systemically destroy the country, crash the economy, and kill 600,000 American citizens with the worst pandemic response in world histroy.

This is not just MY opinion, it is the opinion of leaders around the world, people around the world, and more than 81 million Americans.

YOU are not only in a very small minority of Americans who still believe in Trump.

Well, at least you admit that you're meddling in things that are none of your business, in a country which is profoundly grateful you aren't in it. Too bad that you're too piss-stupid to realize how laughable you sound.

Do you think that you insults are somehow harming me or making me feel bad? I read this shit you post and I think to myself, what a nasty, unhappy woman. Projecting her self loathing and hatred of humanity onto others.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you. Anyone who believes Donald Trump at this point is either the most gullible and trusting fool in the world, or they desperately want an authoritarian white supremacist government.

Neither makes you a good example to others. Stupid and gullible, or racist and anti-democratic. My choices are always well informed and voting for the best interests of the country. You've demonstrated in spades that you can't do either.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you and Joe Biden is a senile old creep.

 

[konradv]

Everything is warped. All is upside down. Cities being burned, the perps released to continue doing it. A man in the white house that should be in a mental ward. Crooked people in control. Lies everywhere. Media involvement. The destruction of freedom of speech. Cheating.

If someone cheats on their taxes and they get caught, they are punished. Some don't get punished at all. Business as usual. But to MAYBE cheat to win an election for POTUS is treason. Period. Wash it any way you want to, it's still treason.

If Trump cheated in 2016, the same applies. He is removed and the running mate put in the WH. If Biden & Co cheated, same deal. Why should our nation suffer the consequences in either case? It's illegal. Against all we supposedly stand for. So WHY, if cheating is proven, would not the person that cheated not be removed? It's false. All of it is false. And those responsible/involved should be behind bars.

No Gracie, everything is right side up. The guy who belongs in the mental ward is now living in Mar-a-lago. The crooked people got voted out of office, and the lies have ended. It you're hearing lies, it's only because you're listening to Donald Trump.

You seem incapable of discerning the truth tellers from the liars. Time to wake up and stop listening to Donald Trump and those who enable his lies. Donald Trump attempted an authoritarian take over of the USA. In almost any other country in the world, he would have be shot on January 6th for treason. He would not have remained in the White House for another day.

There were 3 prior recounts/audits in Arizona and few irregularities were found. Recounts in more than a half dozen states confirmed Biden's victory. Every state in the Union certified their election results, and 53 court cases involving more than 90 judges from all sides, some even appointed by Trump, all confirmed that Donald Trump had no case.

Trump didn't even try to claim the election was "stolen" in the courts. He tried to claim that ballots from the large, urban, predominently black cities, should not be counted. Trump is the guy who cheated. Who tried to sabotage the US postal system to prevent mail-in ballots.

Trump tried to steal the election, and failed. And then he tried to litigate a win and failed. And then he tried to overthrow the government and kill all of the leaders, and that failed.

When are you going to see the reality of who the traitor is here?

Hogwash. You are self projecting.
And for the record, I do not follow Trump. I liked what he did for our country, though. Am I a "deplorable"? Probably. Would I vote for him again? Certainly. Funny how I go with what is right for this nation and not back someone totally against us but I and those like me are the ones that are listening to lies? You see it right in front of your face....but you STILL back up that retard sitting in the oval office. His brain is MUSH. But, you are partisan and thats all that matters..even if it means our country goes down in flames you STILL will defend him and your party.

Get a clue. Now you are going back on ignore.

NO Gracie. I'm not even an American. I'm standing on the other side of the border, watching Donald Trump systemically destroy the country, crash the economy, and kill 600,000 American citizens with the worst pandemic response in world histroy.

This is not just MY opinion, it is the opinion of leaders around the world, people around the world, and more than 81 million Americans.

YOU are not only in a very small minority of Americans who still believe in Trump.

Well, at least you admit that you're meddling in things that are none of your business, in a country which is profoundly grateful you aren't in it. Too bad that you're too piss-stupid to realize how laughable you sound.

Do you think that you insults are somehow harming me or making me feel bad? I read this shit you post and I think to myself, what a nasty, unhappy woman. Projecting her self loathing and hatred of humanity onto others.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you. Anyone who believes Donald Trump at this point is either the most gullible and trusting fool in the world, or they desperately want an authoritarian white supremacist government.

Neither makes you a good example to others. Stupid and gullible, or racist and anti-democratic. My choices are always well informed and voting for the best interests of the country. You've demonstrated in spades that you can't do either.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you and Joe Biden is a senile old creep.

What are you, four? Does your mommy know you're on the board?

 

[Mac-7]

Perhaps that is why these in power are purging the miliitary of “white supremacists” commonly known as Trump supporters.

Military “Extremism” Purge May Result in Conservatives Being Driven Out of The US Military - Citizens Journal

By Capt Joseph R. John An order was issued by Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin that all members of the US Armed Forces must take a 60 day stand down, to address “extremism”, he, Biden, Harris with the stealth direction of Obama are falsely accusing some of the 2+ million service members of

www.citizensjournal.us

stalin purged the Red Army of non communists in the 1930's got his ass kicked by tiny little Finland in 1939

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

fraud is not important for you huh?

You cant expect everyone to like fraud as much as you Trumpers do.

 

[playtime]

this thread is moot.

 

[bripat9643]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Um, that the Maricopa County database had been erased.

The GOP election official debunked that one with great ease.

You probably weren't told about this in your universe.

How does that prove nothing will come of this audit?

I didn't say that it did.

But I'm very disappointed you didn't just deny the whole story. That your King lied.

THAT would have been GREAT fun!

I don't really know what he said, but it doesn't matter. No matter what Trump said, it doesn't debunk the audit.

Of course you don't care about his lies. That's old news.

I don't care about your lies.

 

[Mac1958]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Um, that the Maricopa County database had been erased.

The GOP election official debunked that one with great ease.

You probably weren't told about this in your universe.

How does that prove nothing will come of this audit?

I didn't say that it did.

But I'm very disappointed you didn't just deny the whole story. That your King lied.

THAT would have been GREAT fun!

I don't really know what he said, but it doesn't matter. No matter what Trump said, it doesn't debunk the audit.

Of course you don't care about his lies. That's old news.

I don't care about your lies.

You're welcome to point out any lies.

I'll wait here.

 

[bripat9643]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Um, that the Maricopa County database had been erased.

The GOP election official debunked that one with great ease.

You probably weren't told about this in your universe.

How does that prove nothing will come of this audit?

I didn't say that it did.

But I'm very disappointed you didn't just deny the whole story. That your King lied.

THAT would have been GREAT fun!

I don't really know what he said, but it doesn't matter. No matter what Trump said, it doesn't debunk the audit.

Of course you don't care about his lies. That's old news.

I don't care about your lies.

You're welcome to point out any lies.

I'll wait here.

Just about everything you post is a lie, douchebag?

 

[Mac1958]

This just gets worse. Arizona Republicans are humiliated and fighting back.

GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit

The state Senate president's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called her claims "devastating."

www.cbsnews.com

Too bad they have no authority over the audit.

Too bad nothing will ever come of the audit, because Trump has already said the database has been wiped out. Case closed, right? Not according to local (R)officials who said it wasn't true, so why should we believe anything coming out of the "Stop the Steal" camp?

Great fun watching that Republican election official shoving that latest lie from Trump down his orange throat.

What "lie?"

Um, that the Maricopa County database had been erased.

The GOP election official debunked that one with great ease.

You probably weren't told about this in your universe.

How does that prove nothing will come of this audit?

I didn't say that it did.

But I'm very disappointed you didn't just deny the whole story. That your King lied.

THAT would have been GREAT fun!

I don't really know what he said, but it doesn't matter. No matter what Trump said, it doesn't debunk the audit.

Of course you don't care about his lies. That's old news.

I don't care about your lies.

You're welcome to point out any lies.

I'll wait here.

Just about everything you post is a lie, douchebag?

Waiting.

 

[Burgermeister]

Everything is warped. All is upside down. Cities being burned, the perps released to continue doing it. A man in the white house that should be in a mental ward. Crooked people in control. Lies everywhere. Media involvement. The destruction of freedom of speech. Cheating.

If someone cheats on their taxes and they get caught, they are punished. Some don't get punished at all. Business as usual. But to MAYBE cheat to win an election for POTUS is treason. Period. Wash it any way you want to, it's still treason.

If Trump cheated in 2016, the same applies. He is removed and the running mate put in the WH. If Biden & Co cheated, same deal. Why should our nation suffer the consequences in either case? It's illegal. Against all we supposedly stand for. So WHY, if cheating is proven, would not the person that cheated not be removed? It's false. All of it is false. And those responsible/involved should be behind bars.

No Gracie, everything is right side up. The guy who belongs in the mental ward is now living in Mar-a-lago. The crooked people got voted out of office, and the lies have ended. It you're hearing lies, it's only because you're listening to Donald Trump.

You seem incapable of discerning the truth tellers from the liars. Time to wake up and stop listening to Donald Trump and those who enable his lies. Donald Trump attempted an authoritarian take over of the USA. In almost any other country in the world, he would have be shot on January 6th for treason. He would not have remained in the White House for another day.

There were 3 prior recounts/audits in Arizona and few irregularities were found. Recounts in more than a half dozen states confirmed Biden's victory. Every state in the Union certified their election results, and 53 court cases involving more than 90 judges from all sides, some even appointed by Trump, all confirmed that Donald Trump had no case.

Trump didn't even try to claim the election was "stolen" in the courts. He tried to claim that ballots from the large, urban, predominently black cities, should not be counted. Trump is the guy who cheated. Who tried to sabotage the US postal system to prevent mail-in ballots.

Trump tried to steal the election, and failed. And then he tried to litigate a win and failed. And then he tried to overthrow the government and kill all of the leaders, and that failed.

When are you going to see the reality of who the traitor is here?

Hogwash. You are self projecting.
And for the record, I do not follow Trump. I liked what he did for our country, though. Am I a "deplorable"? Probably. Would I vote for him again? Certainly. Funny how I go with what is right for this nation and not back someone totally against us but I and those like me are the ones that are listening to lies? You see it right in front of your face....but you STILL back up that retard sitting in the oval office. His brain is MUSH. But, you are partisan and thats all that matters..even if it means our country goes down in flames you STILL will defend him and your party.

Get a clue. Now you are going back on ignore.

NO Gracie. I'm not even an American. I'm standing on the other side of the border, watching Donald Trump systemically destroy the country, crash the economy, and kill 600,000 American citizens with the worst pandemic response in world histroy.

This is not just MY opinion, it is the opinion of leaders around the world, people around the world, and more than 81 million Americans.

YOU are not only in a very small minority of Americans who still believe in Trump.

Well, at least you admit that you're meddling in things that are none of your business, in a country which is profoundly grateful you aren't in it. Too bad that you're too piss-stupid to realize how laughable you sound.

Do you think that you insults are somehow harming me or making me feel bad? I read this shit you post and I think to myself, what a nasty, unhappy woman. Projecting her self loathing and hatred of humanity onto others.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you. Anyone who believes Donald Trump at this point is either the most gullible and trusting fool in the world, or they desperately want an authoritarian white supremacist government.

Neither makes you a good example to others. Stupid and gullible, or racist and anti-democratic. My choices are always well informed and voting for the best interests of the country. You've demonstrated in spades that you can't do either.

When you point your finger at someone else, there are four others pointing back at you and Joe Biden is a senile old creep.

What are you, four? Does your mommy know you're on the board?

I'm rubber and you're glue, everything I say is right and you are a dickhead.

 

[jc456]

fraud is not important for you huh?

You cant expect everyone to like fraud as much as you Trumpers do.

Then you want voter IDs right