If America was founded by Republicans why do we have Democrats?

[Luissa]

Conservatives were loyal to the crown.
Liberals founded America.

dear, using todays defintions conservatives are opposed to big government so obviously would have been opposed to the crown.

using the "against change' definition" you are correct.


See why we say liberals are slow??

Thomas Jefferson tripled the size and increased the power of the federal government.
He also helped set up public education.

 

[Luissa]

When you start out with horseshit, everything else can be immediately discarded.

Really. That's interesting given that by definition, conservatism is the effort to thwart change.

But feel free to state examples of progress pursued by "conservatives"

The founding of the United States. Booker T. Washington's and Frederick Douglass' fight against slavery. Rutherford B. Hayes signed a bill which, for the first time, allowed female attorneys to argue cases before the Supreme Court of the United States. Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union without war.

the founding of this country was not by conservatives. And Ronald Reagan supplied a lot of weapons to help defeat the soviets......Plus there is the whole fact they bankrupted themselves.

 

[Charles_Main]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

This has to be the silliest Thread of the week lol

America Was Founded by a Bunch of People who would not Recognize Modern Republicans or Democrats, and would despise them both. They Probably would not like any of us very much, but would probably be closest to Libertarians if pressed to Join a group.

lol

 

[rightwinger]

Really. That's interesting given that by definition, conservatism is the effort to thwart change.

To an pure idiot liberal conservatives are against change, to a conservative intellectual conservatives are for limited government which would be a huge change today as it was in 1776!!

In 1776, they were for limited government because that's all they could afford. In addition, the dispersion of the colonies and the weeks it took to pass communications meant that a decentralized government was best for their society
To advocate a government like we had in the 1780s is idiocy

 

[rightwinger]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

This has to be the silliest Thread of the week lol

America Was Founded by a Bunch of People who would not Recognize Modern Republicans or Democrats, and would despise them both. They Probably would not like any of us very much, but would probably be closest to Libertarians if pressed to Join a group.

lol

Actually, it is us looking at their society and despising it. A society of rich white landowners which kept other men as property and kept their women as faithful, but silent partners.

 

[rdean]

I love it when right wingers say this stuff. It's the liberals who want to "break free". It's Right Wing Teavangelical Confederate Teanut Republicans who are into domination. You only have to examine their policies to know that to be true.

 

[Sallow]

Didn't they create the Constitution to, in effect, make big government liberalism illegal?

Your facts are wrong. Neither the Republican or Democratic party was around during the creation of the Constitution..

The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized these factions into the Democratic-Republican Party. The party favored states' rights and strict adherence to the Constitution; it opposed a national bank and wealthy, moneyed interests. The Democratic-Republican Party ascended to power in the election of 1800.
Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Founded in northern states in 1854 by anti-slavery activists, modernizers, ex-Whigs and ex-Free Soilers, the Republican Party quickly became the principal opposition to the dominant Democratic Party and the briefly popular Know Nothing Party. The main cause was opposition to the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which repealed the Missouri Compromise by which slavery was kept out of Kansas. The Republicans saw the expansion of slavery as a great evil. The first public meeting where the name "Republican" was suggested for a new anti-slavery party was held on March 20, 1854 in a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin.[5]

The first official party convention was held on July 6, 1854 in Jackson, Michigan. By 1858, the Republicans dominated nearly all northern states. The Republican Party first came to power in 1860 with the election of Lincoln to the Presidency and Republicans in control of Congress and the northern states. It oversaw the saving of the union, the destruction of slavery, and the provision of equal rights to all men in the American Civil War and Reconstruction, 1861-1877.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)

But you're not really talking about parties..you are talking about ideology.

It wasn't conservatives that wrote the Constitution, it was Liberals. Had conservatives wrote the constitution there would have been a national religion and no vote. The government probably would have been some sort of Oligarchy.

 

[jillian]

Really. That's interesting given that by definition, conservatism is the effort to thwart change.

To an pure idiot liberal conservatives are against change, to a conservative intellectual conservatives are for limited government which would be a huge change today as it was in 1776!!

punctuation is helpful

the way your post reads: "liberal conservatives are against change".

so you probably shouldn't be calling anyone else an idiot.

words have meaning...no matter what you think you can make up. so perhaps a dictionary would be helpful to you.

con·serv·a·tive   [kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] Show IPA
adjective
1.
disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change

Conservative | Define Conservative at Dictionary.com

now you know.

 

[daveman]

Really. That's interesting given that by definition, conservatism is the effort to thwart change.

But feel free to state examples of progress pursued by "conservatives"

The founding of the United States. Booker T. Washington's and Frederick Douglass' fight against slavery. Rutherford B. Hayes signed a bill which, for the first time, allowed female attorneys to argue cases before the Supreme Court of the United States. Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union without war.

the founding of this country was not by conservatives. And Ronald Reagan supplied a lot of weapons to help defeat the soviets......Plus there is the whole fact they bankrupted themselves.

Yes, the founding of this country was by conservatives, AKA classical liberals.

And why did the USSR bankrupt themselves?

 

[regent]

The framers were of different political pursuasions. A few refused to sign the finished document. But the Constitution was based on liberal ideas from the Age of Enlightenment and Reason and it was these liberal ideas from that age that went into the Constituton. As for size, it seems certain that the new government under the Constitution was larger than under the Articles.

 

[Peach]

The framers were of different political pursuasions. A few refused to sign the finished document. But the Constitution was based on liberal ideas from the Age of Enlightenment and Reason and it was these liberal ideas from that age that went into the Constituton. As for size, it seems certain that the new government under the Constitution was larger than under the Articles.

Yes, the founders were the radical 'liberals" of their time.

 

[rightwinger]

Todays Republican Party founded this country as much as they founded The Republican Guard