ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Jarlaxle]

dont waste your time with that one is mentally unable to understand.

No-he is simply a propagandist. Joey will look at a turd, insist it's a diamond, and call you a racist/sexist/Naxi/Russian troll when you point out it smells like shit.

Don't avoid the question.

That is Joey's specialty-along with flaming, trolling, lying, personal attacks, and filibustering.

How does an illegal alien pay income tax?

By committing a felony.

So petty and largely victimless crimes, then?

**** me running, you're insane.

The immigration court. Dude at least pretend to be informed about the issue you claim to be passionate about.


Not sure who these trac guys you're quoting or where they get their data, but in 2023, the grant rate was 14%

https://www.justice.gov/d9/pages/attachments/2020/02/12/11_asylum_decision_rates.pdf

Joey doesn't do facts. He simply keeps regurgitating lies.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Okay, now show me what country in this part of our hemisphere is accepting immigrants that are coming illegally because they are starving or face persecution?

Mexico? Canada? Other Southern America countries? Tell me, I am anxiously waiting!

There is no one!!!

Why would ANY country accept immigrants coming illegally? It's obvious that having secure borders and controlling who comes into your country is paramount to protecting the citizens of your country. Nobody else does it because nobody else is that stupid!

 

[Luckyone]

Why would ANY country accept immigrants coming illegally? It's obvious that having secure borders and controlling who comes into your country is paramount to protecting the citizens of your country. Nobody else does it because nobody else is that stupid!

You do UNDERSTAND that "most" of the people coming here are either because:

1) there are no jobs in their country
2) they are starving and have no way to change it
3) are being persecuted politically in their countries and if they stay, they will be jailed
4) they want to improve their lives.

These people are in great need, and no country is going to take them in a legal way. As such, they will be illegals wherever they go!

You do UNDERSTAND that, don't you.

Now tell me, if you were in their situation, what would you do?

 

[Luckyone]

With all due respect, Lucky? Anyone who understands propaganda KNOWS that the most effective way to lie to people is by sprinkling your lies with true facts! "Statistics" can be used to illuminate or to disguise the truth.

Fine, I understand THAT. That doesn't change the fact that those statistics exist, and it is the statistics themselves (that are NOT biased) that you have to address.

What you are doing is throwing EVERYTHING that was stated away (including data and statistics) because overall they are biased. Nonetheless, you are a hypocrite because when the opposite happens, you believe the biased lies given by the Republican media (as well as the president and cabinet) and that are proven to be false by data and statistics.

You are not a believable person. You never address the data and statistics which prove statements to be true.

You use what you want to use (and personally believe in) and everything else is wrong no matter what it is, correct?

 

[Mac-7]

You actually expect these people to go back to their countries?

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You actually expect these people to go back to their countries?

I Do

For the simple reason that we cant support them hete

The strain on our welfare system is unsustainable

 

[Man With A Plan]

You do UNDERSTAND that "most" of the people coming here are either because:

1) there are no jobs in their country
2) they are starving and have no way to change it
3) are being persecuted politically in their countries and if they stay, they will be jailed
4) they want to improve their lives.

These people are in great need, and no country is going to take them in a legal way. As such, they will be illegals wherever they go!

You do UNDERSTAND that, don't you.

Now tell me, if you were in their situation, what would you do?

So here's my question to you, Lucky. With all of what you're claiming...would you like to take a crack at explaining why a million and a half illegals have "self deported" back to their countries of origin?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Fine, I understand THAT. That doesn't change the fact that those statistics exist, and it is the statistics themselves (that are NOT biased) that you have to address.

What you are doing is throwing EVERYTHING that was stated away (including data and statistics) because overall they are biased. Nonetheless, you are a hypocrite because when the opposite happens, you believe the biased lies given by the Republican media (as well as the president and cabinet) and that are proven to be false by data and statistics.

You are not a believable person. You never address the data and statistics which prove statements to be true.

You use what you want to use (and personally believe in) and everything else is wrong no matter what it is, correct?

What I'm stating is that the biggest liars of history have all used "statistics" to back up their lies. When someone here cites a source the very first thing I do is examine who that source is and what their stated goals are. The source that you cited has the goal of open borders. That needs to be taken into account whenever you're judging whether their opinions are valid.

 

[Correll]

You do UNDERSTAND that "most" of the people coming here are either because:

1) there are no jobs in their country
2) they are starving and have no way to change it
3) are being persecuted politically in their countries and if they stay, they will be jailed
4) they want to improve their lives.

These people are in great need, and no country is going to take them in a legal way. As such, they will be illegals wherever they go!

You do UNDERSTAND that, don't you.

Now tell me, if you were in their situation, what would you do?

"they want to improve their lives"?

Wow. What a low bar. THey are taking an action because they want that action to make their lives better.

What a way to make an argument.


Listen. No one denies that America is not a better place to be then a third world shit hole.

THe point is that those millions of people being here, is not good for US.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You actually expect these people to go back to their countries?

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Yes!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You do UNDERSTAND that "most" of the people coming here are either because:

1) there are no jobs in their country
2) they are starving and have no way to change it
3) are being persecuted politically in their countries and if they stay, they will be jailed
4) they want to improve their lives.

These people are in great need, and no country is going to take them in a legal way. As such, they will be illegals wherever they go!

You do UNDERSTAND that, don't you.

Now tell me, if you were in their situation, what would you do?

That's awful!

Buh bye!

 

[Luckyone]

What I'm stating is that the biggest liars of history have all used "statistics" to back up their lies. When someone here cites a source the very first thing I do is examine who that source is and what their stated goals are. The source that you cited has the goal of open borders. That needs to be taken into account whenever you're judging whether their opinions are valid.

Statistics are STATISTICS and whether they are used politically to get what you want, statistics reflect the actual status of reality.

For example, you cannot say (much less believed) that crime is up when the actual number of crimes is down, and the opposite is true. You can't dismiss the statistic because you believe the person saying it, or disbelieve the statistic because of the same reason.

Statistics are the facts, unless proven to be wrong or changed for the benefit of the one saying them!

 

[Luckyone]

So here's my question to you, Lucky. With all of what you're claiming...would you like to take a crack at explaining why a million and a half illegals have "self deported" back to their countries of origin?

First of all, answer my question before you ask me one. That is the way it works, you know?

I will answer your question after you answer mine!

 

[Frankenstein]

AI Overview

In fiscal year 2025 (starting October 1, 2024), ICE has arrested a significant number of individuals with no criminal convictions. Data from June indicates that 65% of the over 204,000 people booked into detention had no criminal convictions, according to the Cato Institute. Furthermore, over 93% of those detained had no history of violent offenses, according to the American Immigration Council.

Human and legal rights are being thrown out the window by the Trump administration.

AI Overview

Based on recent news reports and statements from civil rights and human rights organizations, there are concerns and allegations regarding the Trump administration's approach to human and legal rights in 2025. These include:

• Immigration Enforcement: The administration has been accused of adopting policies that disregard due process for immigrants and asylum seekers, including expanding immigration enforcement to target foreign nationals, particularly students and researchers, attempting to end birthright citizenship via executive order, and carrying out mass deportations and raids. A former Department of Justice lawyer, Erez Reuveni, has also accused the Trump administration of ignoring court rulings and pressuring attorneys to prioritize the President's agenda over ethical obligations in deportation cases.
• • Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI): The administration has moved to terminate grants related to DEI programs and prohibit federally-funded entities from engaging in such initiatives, prompting legal challenges.
  • Housing Discrimination: The Department of Housing and Urban Development is reportedly preparing to shut down investigations into housing discrimination and segregation cases.
  • Education: There are concerns about the Trump administration's dismantling of the Education Department's civil rights division and attacks on academic freedom and free expression at universities.
• Targeting of Critics:
  • Law Firms: Some law firms have been targeted with executive orders, facing sanctions like revoked security clearances and restricted access to federal buildings, for their pro bono work or associations with investigations involving President Trump.
  • Media and NGOs: There are concerns about undermining press freedom and the critical role of independent media. The administration has also cut funding to organizations supporting human rights defenders and independent journalists.

Is losing your rights to freedom and justice something that you want? If by any chance, you personally (or a member of your family) get arrested and thrown in jail (or worse, deported) without any chance of defending yourself, would you still be a Trump supporter?

By the way and for all of you that accuse these OP's as being TDS, may I remind you that Trump is doing things that no other U.S. president has done? He is changing the U.S. in ways that are against what our Constitution was built on. Do you honestly think that it should be ignored and Trump allowed to do it, without trying to change it (to the nth degree)?

They are criminal when walking across the border at a non specified border check

 

[Luckyone]

You actually expect these people to go back to their countries?

I Do

For the simple reason that we cant support them hete

The strain on our welfare system is unsustainable

You can force them back (if you have no humanity) but you can't expect them to do it themselves, if it causes them harm.

That answer of yours is plain ignorance. Why would anyone care about causing a country harm if it causes them pain and suffering to do it, especially if it is not the country you were born in and love.

 

[Rambunctious]

Based on recent news reports and statements from civil rights and human rights organizations

 

[Correll]

You can force them back (if you have no humanity) but you can't expect them to do it themselves, if it causes them harm.

Sending people home is not "no humanity" you stupid drama queen.

It is normal law enforcement. YOu are being an asshole.

That answer of yours is plain ignorance. Why would anyone care about causing a country harm if it causes them pain and suffering to do it, especially if it is not the country you were born in and love.

Because they have no right to be here and they know it.

 

[Mac-7]

You can force them back (if you have no humanity) but you can't expect them to do it themselves, if it causes them harm.

That answer of yours is plain ignorance. Why would anyone care about causing a country harm if it causes them pain and suffering to do it, especially if it is not the country you were born in and love.

What you are telling me is that the migrants dont care about what happens to America

They only care about themselves

 

[Luckyone]

What you are telling me is that the migrants dont care about what happens to America

They only care about themselves

Let me ask you a simple question "If you fled to Canada because your president/ruler stated that he wanted to kill you, would you care about what happens to Canada by you being there? Would you go back to the U.S. because you cared enough about Canada, that you did not want to discomfort them by staying there"?

 

[Mac-7]

Let me ask you a simple question "If you fled to Canada because your president/ruler stated that he wanted to kill you, would you care about what happens to Canada by you being there? Would you go back to the U.S. because you cared enough about Canada, that you did not want to discomfort them by staying there"?

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Of course not

Nor should the canadians care about me or sacrifice their standard of living for me

You are making my case

 

[Man With A Plan]

Statistics are STATISTICS and whether they are used politically to get what you want, statistics reflect the actual status of reality.

For example, you cannot say (much less believed) that crime is up when the actual number of crimes is down, and the opposite is true. You can't dismiss the statistic because you believe the person saying it, or disbelieve the statistic because of the same reason.

Statistics are the facts, unless proven to be wrong or changed for the benefit of the one saying them!

Actually you can state that. I'll give you a perfect example. If officials claim that crime is down when people are so frustrated with the lack of prosecution that they don't even call the Police to report crimes...statistically you would be right that crime was "down" but in reality crime is increasing! Statistics can be illuminating or you can use them to hide the truth.