ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Toddsterpatriot]

If they were being deported for an alleged criminal offense, then it is required under law to give them due process, an indictment, with own lawyer, Miranda rights, presumed innocent until found guilty, a trial to prove they are criminals of the alleged fraud or whatever crime they are accused, bail. All of those protections given to the alleged illegal as if they were citizens.

None of those we are talking about are being deported because they are criminals and committed a crime....they are being returned to their home countries under a Civil Immigration Law offence.

They are not accused illegal entry criminals, because if they were accused and indicted and could be imprisoned if found guilty of the crime, they could not be detained indefinitely or deported by being wisked off the street, as they are being captured and held.....and deported.

Trump is skipping criminally charging them etc, with illegal entry... therefore they are NOT holding this title of only criminals (being deported) as Trumpers claim.

If they were being deported for an alleged criminal offense, then it is required under law to give them due process, an indictment, with own lawyer, Miranda rights, presumed innocent until found guilty, a trial to prove they are criminals of the alleged fraud or whatever crime they are accused, bail. All of those protections given to the alleged illegal as if they were citizens.

They're being deported for being here illegally.

The claim that only a few ever committed a crime, besides illegal entry,
is simply ridiculous.

Trump is skipping criminally charging them etc, with illegal entry...

Because it would be a waste of time and money to charge, convict and then deport them.

therefore they are NOT holding this title of only criminals (being deported) as Trumpers claim.

No one ever said "only criminals" would be deported.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Um, okay. That sounds like a good reason to make Social Security a real ID card, rather than just an account number. But your side has opposed this very sensible move for decades.

So the undocumented immigrant is using a "stolen" Social Security number to work and pays into the system. This is really more the fault of the employer, who like one guy I once interviewed with, admitted they know these documents are fake but don't really care that much.

The money is still going to the government, and the person who actually owns that number is still going to collect his benefits if he lives to retirement.

Identity theft, for cases where they pay (minimal) income tax.
Tax fraud, for the many more cases where they don't pay income tax.

 

[Luckyone]

If I went to another country and they told me to leave? I'd leave. It's their country...not mine. I have no right to overstay my welcome.

Where would you and your family go if returning to your country meant your death or at least starvation for you and your family?

 

[Hafar1014]

Where would you and your family go if returning to your country meant your death or at least starvation for you and your family?

Thats not the case they come here looking for a better job or criminal opportunities

 

[Correll]

If they were being deported for an alleged criminal offense, then it is required under law to give them due process, an indictment, with own lawyer, Miranda rights, presumed innocent until found guilty, a trial to prove they are criminals of the alleged fraud or whatever crime they are accused, bail. All of those protections given to the alleged illegal as if they were citizens.

None of those we are talking about are being deported because they are criminals and committed a crime....they are being returned to their home countries under a Civil Immigration Law offence.

They are not accused illegal entry criminals, because if they were accused and indicted and could be imprisoned if found guilty of the crime, they could not be detained indefinitely or deported by being wisked off the street, as they are being captured and held.....and deported.

Trump is skipping criminally charging them etc, with illegal entry... therefore they are NOT holding this title of only criminals (being deported) as Trumpers claim.

DEPORT THEM ALL.

 

[Luckyone]

The American Immigration Council says so? Are you REALLY this stupid, Lucky?

AI Overview

The American Immigration Council uses data from reliable sources, such as the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey (ACS), which makes their statistics generally credible and believable. However, it is important to recognize that the Council is a non-profit advocacy organization, and while they source their data from reputable places like the Census Bureau, their analysis and presentation of that data are often framed to support pro-immigrant viewpoints.

Having said that and if you are actually debating the issue (instead of just debasing the source), you would be presenting data. statistics, and facts from other sources!

Are you so biased that you won't or can't?

 

[Correll]

Where would you and your family go if returning to your country meant your death or at least starvation for you and your family?

IF you leftards gave a damn about legitimate refugees, you would be outraged over the enconomic migrants who are flooding the system and who have utterly exhausted American generosity and patience.


That you are still on the side of hte illegals, shows that you are just using the few cases of real need, to advance your leftard agenda, not becasue you care about them at all.


DEPORT THEM ALL.

 

[Mac-7]

Where would you and your family go if returning to your country meant your death or at least starvation for you and your family?

Thats a difficult question

Are libs planning to murder MAGAs the next time you are in power?

I am not leaving

And where would MAGAs go in any case?

My intention is to remain in America and work to make it better

Illegal alien migrants should do the same in their country

 

[Luckyone]

The arrested migrants ARE NOT INNOCENT

They are in the country illegally

No one said they are "innocent" but the laws said they are to go in front of a judge to determine that

AI Overview

U.S. law allows for the removal (deportation) of noncitizens who violate immigration laws through processes like expedited removal and removal proceedings before an immigration judge. Noncitizens in these proceedings are generally entitled to due process, meaning a chance to defend themselves in court, although access to legal representation can be limited. The specific grounds for deportation are varied, but they include violations of entry rules, criminal convictions, and other offenses specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

 

[Rawley]

You only get 14% if you count all cases, and not the resolved ones.

I don't get to 14%, Biden's DOJ numbers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No one said they are "innocent" but the laws said they are to go in front of a judge to determine that

5 minutes, max.
Then give them the boot.

 

[Mac-7]

No one said they are "innocent" but the laws said they are to go in front of a judge to determine that

AI Overview

U.S. law allows for the removal (deportation) of noncitizens who violate immigration laws through processes like expedited removal and removal proceedings before an immigration judge. Noncitizens in these proceedings are generally entitled to due process, meaning a chance to defend themselves in court, although access to legal representation can be limited. The specific grounds for deportation are varied, but they include violations of entry rules, criminal convictions, and other offenses specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

If for you migrants having “no history of violent offenses” opens the door for amnesty that doesent work for me

Most, perhaps 99% of the people arrested by ICE are hete illegally

And all of them are legally processed for deportation

 

[Man With A Plan]

Where would you and your family go if returning to your country meant your death or at least starvation for you and your family?

I would go to a country that wanted immigration and welcomed my family. This isn't rocket science, Lucky. It's been going on for a long, long time. My family actually immigrated to the America's back in the 1600's because of religious persecution.

 

[Man With A Plan]

AI Overview

The American Immigration Council uses data from reliable sources, such as the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey (ACS), which makes their statistics generally credible and believable. However, it is important to recognize that the Council is a non-profit advocacy organization, and while they source their data from reputable places like the Census Bureau, their analysis and presentation of that data are often framed to support pro-immigrant viewpoints.

Having said that and if you are actually debating the issue (instead of just debasing the source), you would be presenting data. statistics, and facts from other sources!

Are you so biased that you won't or can't?

Their data is "framed" to support pro-immigrant viewpoints? That's a fancy way of saying that they're propagandists for open borders!

 

[Unkotare]

Except White Americans already have privilege. If I believed in a God, I'd be thanking him every day I was born a white man.

We need it to be awesome for everyone, not just white men.

(whispering) Here we see the wild Liberal Douche Bag in his native habitat, virtue signaling in hopes of impressing the rest of his herd and possibly getting a hot meal for dinner. Let's watch...

 

[Luckyone]

Thats a difficult question

Are libs planning to murder MAGAs the next time you are in power?

I am not leaving

And where would MAGAs go in any case?

My intention is to remain in America and work to make it better

Illegal alien migrants should do the same in their country

You actually expect these people to go back to their countries?

 

[Luckyone]

Their data is "framed" to support pro-immigrant viewpoints? That's a fancy way of saying that they're propagandists for open borders!

But they also have a reputation for giving data, statistics and facts that are real and true.

As such, my statement was based on that and not on their political stance. The link itself that I gave you, has to do with data and statistics and if you want to dis my post, you need to show data and statistics that are different and that prove that the ones given are fake

 

[Luckyone]

I would go to a country that wanted immigration and welcomed my family. This isn't rocket science, Lucky. It's been going on for a long, long time. My family actually immigrated to the America's back in the 1600's because of religious persecution.

Okay, now show me what country in this part of our hemisphere is accepting immigrants that are coming illegally because they are starving or face persecution?

Mexico? Canada? Other Southern America countries? Tell me, I am anxiously waiting!

There is no one!!!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okay, now show me what country in this part of our hemisphere is accepting immigrants that are coming illegally because they are starving or face persecution?

Mexico? Canada? Other Southern America countries? Tell me, I am anxiously waiting!

There is no one!!!

of course not why would any Nation willingly allow illegal immigration? Biden was a fool his administration was a joke.

 

[Man With A Plan]

But they also have a reputation for giving data, statistics and facts that are real and true.

As such, my statement was based on that and not on their political stance. The link itself that I gave you, has to do with data and statistics and if you want to dis my post, you need to show data and statistics that are different and that prove that the ones given are fake

With all due respect, Lucky? Anyone who understands propaganda KNOWS that the most effective way to lie to people is by sprinkling your lies with true facts! "Statistics" can be used to illuminate or to disguise the truth.