ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's like asking if water is wet. Immigrants pay taxes, even the undocumented ones.

How does an illegal alien pay income tax?

 

[JoeB131]

I don't move to countries illegally. Never have...never will.

Except a lot of the people being deported didn't come here illegally. They applied for asylum. They used the app. They married US Citizens.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The majority of those being reported are not criminals. They have to be charged with an illegal entry misdemeanor, or an illegal reentry felony....and be convicted for it, to be a criminal.

Under immigration law for immediate deportation without due process, it has to be a civil offense. If it was a criminal offense then every person being deported would be required to be given their due process in court for illegal entry or illegal reentry, and been convicted, before any deportation.

They kept crossing the border outside of legal ports of entry a civil offense, so that they can deport them, without due process...if it was criminal, they'd have to be given their due process in court, and they would be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law....if poor we would have to supply attorneys to represent them, we would have to give them their Miranda rights, they would also be offered bail and a whole bunch if other things under our laws and constitution, but civil offenses don't require all of those protections against the big and powerful government.

In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled that deportation was not a punishment...because of that, deportation was not a criminal punishment, and without it being a criminal punishment, it made it a civil offence....or some convoluted B.S. like that...

The link to a PDF file on this and other very interesting stuff is in the link below...they explain it much better than me. Worth the read imo.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/aic_twosystemsofjustice.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjYsYD5qpCQAxV4tokEHRWjHxsQFnoECAoQBg&usg=AOvVaw2UErAlOmlMRlpoBjUZ5VK7

The majority of those being reported are not criminals. They have to be charged with an illegal entry misdemeanor, or an illegal reentry felony....and be convicted for it, to be a criminal.

They've also committed tax fraud, identity theft, driving without a license or insurance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Except a lot of the people being deported didn't come here illegally. They applied for asylum. They used the app. They married US Citizens.

And now their fake asylum claims are being rejected.

 

[JoeB131]

They've also committed tax fraud, identity theft, driving without a license or insurance.

So petty and largely victimless crimes, then?

And now their fake asylum claims are being rejected.

No, their rights are being violated, but it's not like they are white people, amiright?

 

[Rawley]

Not sure what your point was...

My point was that you were lying. There were no words that you could possibly interpret for "allowing ICE to stop people on the street based solely on their skin color or ethnicity, and not probable cause" because there were no words.

You made it up. Or the loon opinion writer you were reading made it up.

the point was the ruling allows racial profiling, the mechanics of the ruling are irrelevant.

Law, smaw. WTF dude? The merits of the Judge's order is being reviewed by the 9th circuit and will most like be reviewed by the SC.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So petty and largely victimless crimes, then?



No, their rights are being violated, but it's not like they are white people, amiright?

So petty and largely victimless crimes, then?

Hilarious!

No, their rights are being violated

They have no right to remain here with their fake asylum claims.

 

[Rawley]

Except a lot of the people being deported didn't come here illegally. They applied for asylum. They used the app. They married US Citizens.

Historically, it's found that 85% of the applicants for asylum were full of shit, were lying and are ordered deported. My guess is that with the unvetted hordes your Vegetable God let in, that percentage will be in the high 90s.

 

[JoeB131]

Historically, it's found that 85% of the applicants for asylum were full of shit, were lying and are ordered deported. My guess is that with the unvetted hordes your Vegetable God let in, that percentage will be in the high 90s.

Who made such a finding? The problem is that most cases never get heard at all. We are talking backlogs of 4-7 years.

Fact check: What percentage of immigrants are granted asylum in the U.S.?

Jeh Johnson, who served as Homeland Security Secretary under former President Obama, said "only about 20%" of people who apply for asylum qualify for it. PolitiFact checks his claim.

www.wral.com

iIn the past 22 years, around 1.9 million asylum cases have been filed and about 40% are still pending. The Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University estimates that wait times for hearings average about four and a half years.

Asylum has been granted in about 40% of the nearly 700,000 asylum cases that have been decided since 2000. Immigration judges in that time frame approved about 30% of the applications, or about 420,000 cases, filed by people in deportation proceedings after arriving at the border or after being apprehended within the U.S.
In fiscal year 2022, immigration judges decided 52,000 asylum cases; about 46% of people were granted asylum. The approval rate was closer to 39% for those who applied for asylum as a defense against deportation.

 

[Rawley]

Who made such a finding? The problem is that most cases never get heard at all. We are talking backlogs of 4-7 years.

The immigration court. Dude at least pretend to be informed about the issue you claim to be passionate about.

Fact check: What percentage of immigrants are granted asylum in the U.S.?

Jeh Johnson, who served as Homeland Security Secretary under former President Obama, said "only about 20%" of people who apply for asylum qualify for it. PolitiFact checks his claim.

www.wral.com

iIn the past 22 years, around 1.9 million asylum cases have been filed and about 40% are still pending. The Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University estimates that wait times for hearings average about four and a half years.

Asylum has been granted in about 40% of the nearly 700,000 asylum cases that have been decided since 2000. Immigration judges in that time frame approved about 30% of the applications, or about 420,000 cases, filed by people in deportation proceedings after arriving at the border or after being apprehended within the U.S.
In fiscal year 2022, immigration judges decided 52,000 asylum cases; about 46% of people were granted asylum. The approval rate was closer to 39% for those who applied for asylum as a defense against deportation.

Not sure who these trac guys you're quoting or where they get their data, but in 2023, the grant rate was 14%

https://www.justice.gov/d9/pages/attachments/2020/02/12/11_asylum_decision_rates.pdf

 

[JoeB131]

You only get 14% if you count all cases, and not the resolved ones.

 

[Care4all]

The majority of those being reported are not criminals. They have to be charged with an illegal entry misdemeanor, or an illegal reentry felony....and be convicted for it, to be a criminal.

They've also committed tax fraud, identity theft, driving without a license or insurance.

If they were being deported for an alleged criminal offense, then it is required under law to give them due process, an indictment, with own lawyer, Miranda rights, presumed innocent until found guilty, a trial to prove they are criminals of the alleged fraud or whatever crime they are accused, bail. All of those protections given to the alleged illegal as if they were citizens.

None of those we are talking about are being deported because they are criminals and committed a crime....they are being returned to their home countries under a Civil Immigration Law offence.

They are not accused illegal entry criminals, because if they were accused and indicted and could be imprisoned if found guilty of the crime, they could not be detained indefinitely or deported by being wisked off the street, as they are being captured and held.....and deported.

Trump is skipping criminally charging them etc, with illegal entry... therefore they are NOT holding this title of only criminals (being deported) as Trumpers claim.

 

[Care4all]

ICE arresting more innocent people than criminals. Up 800% more under Trump!​

Illegal aliens are not innocent people

They are NOT all criminals for entering outside of port of entry....some have simply broken a Civil Offence of entering. If they were accused and indicted as a criminal law illegal entry misdemeanor or as a criminal law illegal reentry felony, then they ARE alleged criminals....and can not be deported until found guilty in their due process trial.

Deportation on the Civil Offense of entering unlawfully, does not require due process and charges to deport them.

ICE is capturing, detaining, and deporting these immigrants without due process, therefore they can not be and are not being Criminally charged with illegal entry....and as such, are NOT Criminals....they broke a Civil Law, not requiring any prison time where under our constitution, due process would be required.

It's a shitty loop hole, around our constitution to avoid giving them due process.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How is the illegal alien paying his taxes?

By STEALING someone else's SS number

 

[Hafar1014]

AI Overview

In fiscal year 2025 (starting October 1, 2024), ICE has arrested a significant number of individuals with no criminal convictions. Data from June indicates that 65% of the over 204,000 people booked into detention had no criminal convictions, according to the Cato Institute. Furthermore, over 93% of those detained had no history of violent offenses, according to the American Immigration Council.

Human and legal rights are being thrown out the window by the Trump administration.

AI Overview

Based on recent news reports and statements from civil rights and human rights organizations, there are concerns and allegations regarding the Trump administration's approach to human and legal rights in 2025. These include:

• Immigration Enforcement: The administration has been accused of adopting policies that disregard due process for immigrants and asylum seekers, including expanding immigration enforcement to target foreign nationals, particularly students and researchers, attempting to end birthright citizenship via executive order, and carrying out mass deportations and raids. A former Department of Justice lawyer, Erez Reuveni, has also accused the Trump administration of ignoring court rulings and pressuring attorneys to prioritize the President's agenda over ethical obligations in deportation cases.
• • Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI): The administration has moved to terminate grants related to DEI programs and prohibit federally-funded entities from engaging in such initiatives, prompting legal challenges.
  • Housing Discrimination: The Department of Housing and Urban Development is reportedly preparing to shut down investigations into housing discrimination and segregation cases.
  • Education: There are concerns about the Trump administration's dismantling of the Education Department's civil rights division and attacks on academic freedom and free expression at universities.
• Targeting of Critics:
  • Law Firms: Some law firms have been targeted with executive orders, facing sanctions like revoked security clearances and restricted access to federal buildings, for their pro bono work or associations with investigations involving President Trump.
  • Media and NGOs: There are concerns about undermining press freedom and the critical role of independent media. The administration has also cut funding to organizations supporting human rights defenders and independent journalists.

Is losing your rights to freedom and justice something that you want? If by any chance, you personally (or a member of your family) get arrested and thrown in jail (or worse, deported) without any chance of defending yourself, would you still be a Trump supporter?

By the way and for all of you that accuse these OP's as being TDS, may I remind you that Trump is doing things that no other U.S. president has done? He is changing the U.S. in ways that are against what our Constitution was built on. Do you honestly think that it should be ignored and Trump allowed to do it, without trying to change it (to the nth degree)?

 

[JoeB131]

By STEALING someone else's SS number

Um, okay. That sounds like a good reason to make Social Security a real ID card, rather than just an account number. But your side has opposed this very sensible move for decades.

So the undocumented immigrant is using a "stolen" Social Security number to work and pays into the system. This is really more the fault of the employer, who like one guy I once interviewed with, admitted they know these documents are fake but don't really care that much.

The money is still going to the government, and the person who actually owns that number is still going to collect his benefits if he lives to retirement.

 

[Mac-7]

Yeah, they're too brown for you, dammit!

Native-born Americans are too white for you

 

[Mac-7]

They are NOT all criminals for entering outside of port of entry....some have simply broken a Civil Offence of entering. If they were accused and indicted as a criminal law illegal entry misdemeanor or as a criminal law illegal reentry felony, then they ARE alleged criminals....and can not be deported until found guilty in their due process trial.

Deportation on the Civil Offense of entering unlawfully, does not require due process and charges to deport them.

ICE is capturing, detaining, and deporting these immigrants without due process, therefore they can not be and are not being Criminally charged with illegal entry....and as such, are NOT Criminals....they broke a Civil Law, not requiring any prison time where under our constitution, due process would be required.

It's a shitty loop hole, around our constitution to avoid giving them due process.

Illegal aliens are violating our immigration laws

That makes them criminals

Period

 

[JoeB131]

Native-born Americans are too white for you

Except White Americans already have privilege. If I believed in a God, I'd be thanking him every day I was born a white man.

We need it to be awesome for everyone, not just white men.

 

[Mac-7]

Except White Americans already have privilege. If I believed in a God, I'd be thanking him every day I was born a white man.

We need it to be awesome for everyone, not just white men.

The lib big lie

Brown criminals are being punished for their actions not their skin color