I will not Bow!

[pbel]

You need to understand something concerning the expulsion of the Palestinians.

It happened mainly during the 47-48 Mandatory Palestine Civil war AND the 1948 Arab Israeli war, where BOTH SIDES were pushing each other away. During the 1948 war, the Palestinians joined the 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and push the Jews to the sea. The Jews pushed BACK, and won, resulting in the expelling of many Palestinians. Had the Arabs won, every Jew would have been expelled (and expelling the Jews meant pushing them in the sea since no Arab state would take them BACK in)

But they didn't, they lost. And all this complaining about how so many Palestinians were expelled is just being a sore loser.
That's what they get for their Arab so called 'brothers' ( ) trying to destroy the newly founded state of Israel.

And you\d think they learned their lesson?? NOPE. In 1967, the Arab states did the same thing and lost AGAIN, resulting in more expelled Palestinians

You are distorting history...the 67 war was a pre-emptive strike planned as a land grab by Israeli leaders...They raised tensions, but the fact is the Arabs had 100,000 soldiers at Israel's border while Israel had a 150,000 with far superior weaponry. The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.

The Bullshiite stops here. I want to see peace to the 67 borders to make up for this travesty...Peace and more importantly Acceptance can only end this regional conflict.

Israel is an invading force not a defending one that you push...

I am distorting history??? You people that think Israel was the aggressor in the 6 day war are a minority. You really think Israel would have attacked had Egypt and Syria NOT massed troops by its borders????
Why did the Arab mass their troops at the border for, while making threats of annihalation?
Why would Israel risk its existence by attacking all those countries (who were backed by other states) that were 500 times its size? And if it was a planned land grab, why did Israel offer the Golan back to Syria and the Sinai back to Egypt?
As for capturing the West Bank, Israel begged Jordan not to join the war, but they did. So you can't claim that Israel's pre emptive strike was to take over the West Bank.

[B]The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.[/B]

Huh? What do you mean ?

The Arabs were posturing...They never had a chance of success...That's why Historians note it a pre-emptive strike...As for Jerusalem, poetic license for effect...Israel wanted Jerusalem not the West Bank and that is their position today.

 

[toastman]

No, historians wrote it as a pre emptive strike because that's what is was. Do you think Israel just assumed that they were going to be attacked?? They had intelligence that Egypt was planning a strike on them.

 

[Victory67]

Huh?? Where did you read that??

But you do have things a bit mixed up. It is the Palestinians who should thank Israel for not expelling every single one of them after the 6 day war and then AGAIN after the yom kippur war. Everyone though Moshe Dayan would expel them, but he let hundreds of thousands stay.

Had the Arabs won either war, there would not be a single Jew living between the river and the sea.

Flapan maintains that events in Nazareth, although ending differently, point to the existence of a definite pattern of expulsion. On 16 July, three days after the Lydda and Ramlah evictions, the city of Nazareth surrendered to the IDF. The officer in command, a Canadian Jew named Ben Dunkelman, had signed the surrender agreement on behalf of the Israeli army along with Chaim Laskov (then a brigadier general, later IDF chief of staff). The agreement assured the civilians that they would not be harmed, but the next day, Laskov handed Dunkelman an order to evacuate the population, which Dunkelman refused.[

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pbel]

No, historians wrote it as a pre emptive strike because that's what is was. Do you think Israel just assumed that they were going to be attacked?? They had intelligence that Egypt was planning a strike on them.

provide us with an un-biased source...Do you think that if Egypt attacked the results would have differed significantly?

Of course not!

 

[Hossfly]

You are distorting history...the 67 war was a pre-emptive strike planned as a land grab by Israeli leaders...They raised tensions, but the fact is the Arabs had 100,000 soldiers at Israel's border while Israel had a 150,000 with far superior weaponry. The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.

The Bullshiite stops here. I want to see peace to the 67 borders to make up for this travesty...Peace and more importantly Acceptance can only end this regional conflict.

Israel is an invading force not a defending one that you push...

I am distorting history??? You people that think Israel was the aggressor in the 6 day war are a minority. You really think Israel would have attacked had Egypt and Syria NOT massed troops by its borders????
Why did the Arab mass their troops at the border for, while making threats of annihalation?
Why would Israel risk its existence by attacking all those countries (who were backed by other states) that were 500 times its size? And if it was a planned land grab, why did Israel offer the Golan back to Syria and the Sinai back to Egypt?
As for capturing the West Bank, Israel begged Jordan not to join the war, but they did. So you can't claim that Israel's pre emptive strike was to take over the West Bank.

[B]The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.[/B]

Huh? What do you mean ?

The Arabs were posturing...They never had a chance of success...That's why Historians note it a pre-emptive strike...As for Jerusalem, poetic license for effect...Israel wanted Jerusalem not the West Bank and that is their position today.

"Get there first with the most men".
~~~Gen. N.B. Forrest

In other words, "Get thar fustest with the mostest".
~~~Typical Rebel Soldier

 

[toastman]

No, historians wrote it as a pre emptive strike because that's what is was. Do you think Israel just assumed that they were going to be attacked?? They had intelligence that Egypt was planning a strike on them.

provide us with an un-biased source...Do you think that if Egypt attacked the results would have differed significantly?

Of course not!

By early 1967, the Israeli intelligence network in Egypt had detected Nasser's preparations for war with Israel,and more informants were recruited. By early May 1967, the Mossad was able to inform Israeli commanders of the precise time to attack Egyptian airbases

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Victory67]

Egypt's preperations for the war and the signing of a mutual-defense treaty with Jordan made it clear that war was on the horizon.

If Israel didn't act they might have been annihilated.

 

[pbel]

Egypt's preperations for the war and the signing of a mutual-defense treaty with Jordan made it clear that war was on the horizon.

If Israel didn't act they might have been annihilated.

Provide unbiased links...Might have been annihilated by what? the stick and stone army historians note?...

 

[pbel]

No, historians wrote it as a pre emptive strike because that's what is was. Do you think Israel just assumed that they were going to be attacked?? They had intelligence that Egypt was planning a strike on them.

provide us with an un-biased source...Do you think that if Egypt attacked the results would have differed significantly?

Of course not!

By early 1967, the Israeli intelligence network in Egypt had detected Nasser's preparations for war with Israel,and more informants were recruited. By early May 1967, the Mossad was able to inform Israeli commanders of the precise time to attack Egyptian airbases

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please post an unbiased link with the language, or do any unbiased historians agree with your point , not the IDF self-serving Shiite.

 

[toastman]

provide us with an un-biased source...Do you think that if Egypt attacked the results would have differed significantly?

Of course not!

By early 1967, the Israeli intelligence network in Egypt had detected Nasser's preparations for war with Israel,and more informants were recruited. By early May 1967, the Mossad was able to inform Israeli commanders of the precise time to attack Egyptian airbases

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please post an unbiased link with the language, or do any unbiased historians agree with your point , not the IDF self-serving Shiite.

Oh, so now Wikipedia is biased?? LOL !!

And what do you mean by IDF self serving

 

[toastman]

Egypt's preperations for the war and the signing of a mutual-defense treaty with Jordan made it clear that war was on the horizon.

If Israel didn't act they might have been annihilated.

Provide unbiased links...Might have been annihilated by what? the stick and stone army historians note?...

Like you did when you posted links to back up your claims about the 6 day war????

Oh wait, you didn't.

 

[Kondor3]

You are distorting history...the 67 war was a pre-emptive strike planned as a land grab by Israeli leaders...They raised tensions, but the fact is the Arabs had 100,000 soldiers at Israel's border while Israel had a 150,000 with far superior weaponry. The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.

The Bullshiite stops here. I want to see peace to the 67 borders to make up for this travesty...Peace and more importantly Acceptance can only end this regional conflict.

Israel is an invading force not a defending one that you push...

I am distorting history??? You people that think Israel was the aggressor in the 6 day war are a minority. You really think Israel would have attacked had Egypt and Syria NOT massed troops by its borders????
Why did the Arab mass their troops at the border for, while making threats of annihalation?
Why would Israel risk its existence by attacking all those countries (who were backed by other states) that were 500 times its size? And if it was a planned land grab, why did Israel offer the Golan back to Syria and the Sinai back to Egypt?
As for capturing the West Bank, Israel begged Jordan not to join the war, but they did. So you can't claim that Israel's pre emptive strike was to take over the West Bank.

[B]The proof: six days and the Land Grab of Jerusalem in your prayers.[/B]

Huh? What do you mean ?

The Arabs were posturing...They never had a chance of success...That's why Historians note it a pre-emptive strike...As for Jerusalem, poetic license for effect...Israel wanted Jerusalem not the West Bank and that is their position today.

Next time, the Egyptians and Jordanians will know better than to take up an aggressive border posture with Israel, won't they? An expensive lesson, that.




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[Victory67]

Egypt's preperations for the war and the signing of a mutual-defense treaty with Jordan made it clear that war was on the horizon.

If Israel didn't act they might have been annihilated.

Provide unbiased links...Might have been annihilated by what? the stick and stone army historians note?...

The Arab armies had 540,000 troops.

957 combat aircraft.

2,504 tanks.


The Israeli army had 261,000 troops.

300 combat aircraft.

800 tanks.




Do the math.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_day_war

 

[pbel]

By early 1967, the Israeli intelligence network in Egypt had detected Nasser's preparations for war with Israel,and more informants were recruited. By early May 1967, the Mossad was able to inform Israeli commanders of the precise time to attack Egyptian airbases

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please post an unbiased link with the language, or do any unbiased historians agree with your point , not the IDF self-serving Shiite.

Oh, so now Wikipedia is biased?? LOL !!

And what do you mean by IDF self serving

Just because the IDF said they thought Egypt was planning for war does not mean they knew of an immanent attack. Egypt must have known they would easily be defeated. Why would they plan for war without having the remote means of achieving their goals?

If you need help re-searching let me know.

 

[Kondor3]

Time to climb-down from the Arabs were only foolin' guardhouse lawyer defense, pbel... it ain't goin' anywhere.

 

[toastman]

Please post an unbiased link with the language, or do any unbiased historians agree with your point , not the IDF self-serving Shiite.

Oh, so now Wikipedia is biased?? LOL !!

And what do you mean by IDF self serving

Just because the IDF said they thought Egypt was planning for war does not mean they knew of an immanent attack. Egypt must have known they would easily be defeated. Why would they plan for war without having the remote means of achieving their goals?

If you need help re-searching let me know.

LOL You can say whatever you want Pbel, but it doesn't change the fact that Israel was not the aggressor in the war, nor did they start the war just because they fired the first shot.

BTW, Israel even warned Egypt that if they closed the Straits of Tiran again, that it would be an act of war against Israel (which it obviously was).

More proof that Egypt was preparing to attack Israel:

"Nasser began massing his troops in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (May 16), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (May 19) and took up UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[16][17] Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war.[18][19] Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23"

The paragraph above is under the sub - title Summary of events leading to war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War

 

[Indeependent]

Please post an unbiased link with the language, or do any unbiased historians agree with your point , not the IDF self-serving Shiite.

Oh, so now Wikipedia is biased?? LOL !!

And what do you mean by IDF self serving

Just because the IDF said they thought Egypt was planning for war does not mean they knew of an immanent attack. Egypt must have known they would easily be defeated. Why would they plan for war without having the remote means of achieving their goals?

If you need help re-searching let me know.

Were the Jews supposed to survive the Holocaust?
If Hitler didn't try to conquer all of Europe and Asia at once, his Final Solution would have succeeded.

Israel got it's a$$ kicked in the first several days of the Yom Kippur War and came back and won.

Things happen.

Plus the fact that very few nations actually describe their espionage tactics on the Internet.
Except the Arabs; they're quite stupid when it comes to that.

 

[pbel]

Oh, so now Wikipedia is biased?? LOL !!

And what do you mean by IDF self serving

Just because the IDF said they thought Egypt was planning for war does not mean they knew of an immanent attack. Egypt must have known they would easily be defeated. Why would they plan for war without having the remote means of achieving their goals?

If you need help re-searching let me know.

LOL You can say whatever you want Pbel, but it doesn't change the fact that Israel was not the aggressor in the war, nor did they start the war just because they fired the first shot.

BTW, Israel even warned Egypt that if they closed the Straits of Tiran again, that it would be an act of war against Israel (which it obviously was).

More proof that Egypt was preparing to attack Israel:

"Nasser began massing his troops in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (May 16), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (May 19) and took up UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[16][17] Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war.[18][19] Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23"

The paragraph above is under the sub - title Summary of events leading to war

Origins of the Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: Controversies relating to the Six-Day War

Preemptive strike v. unjustified attack

At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country.[169] The Israeli government later abandoned its initial position, acknowledging Israel had struck first, claiming that it was a preemptive strike in the face of a planned invasion by Egypt.[169][170] On the other hand, the Arab view was that it was unjustified to attack Egypt.[171][172]

 

[pbel]

Egypt's preperations for the war and the signing of a mutual-defense treaty with Jordan made it clear that war was on the horizon.

If Israel didn't act they might have been annihilated.

Provide unbiased links...Might have been annihilated by what? the stick and stone army historians note?...

The Arab armies had 540,000 troops.

957 combat aircraft.

2,504 tanks.


The Israeli army had 261,000 troops.

300 combat aircraft.

800 tanks.




Do the math.

Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My accurate numbers were for Israel's attack on Egypt which started the war.

 

[toastman]

Just because the IDF said they thought Egypt was planning for war does not mean they knew of an immanent attack. Egypt must have known they would easily be defeated. Why would they plan for war without having the remote means of achieving their goals?

If you need help re-searching let me know.

LOL You can say whatever you want Pbel, but it doesn't change the fact that Israel was not the aggressor in the war, nor did they start the war just because they fired the first shot.

BTW, Israel even warned Egypt that if they closed the Straits of Tiran again, that it would be an act of war against Israel (which it obviously was).

More proof that Egypt was preparing to attack Israel:

"Nasser began massing his troops in the Sinai Peninsula on Israel's border (May 16), expelled the UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai (May 19) and took up UNEF positions at Sharm el-Sheikh, overlooking the Straits of Tiran.[16][17] Israel reiterated declarations made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war.[18][19] Nasser declared the Straits closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23"

The paragraph above is under the sub - title Summary of events leading to war

Origins of the Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: Controversies relating to the Six-Day War

Preemptive strike v. unjustified attack

At the commencement of hostilities, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country.[169] The Israeli government later abandoned its initial position, acknowledging Israel had struck first, claiming that it was a preemptive strike in the face of a planned invasion by Egypt.[169][170] On the other hand, the Arab view was that it was unjustified to attack Egypt.[171][172]

And????