I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

Israel's war against Palestine started around the time that the British landed with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket. The war did not "start" in 1948.

Israel did not exist until may 1948, so anything before this time was the arab's obeying the commands in the Koran that tell them to wipe out the Jews

The whole face of the map changed after WWI and WWII.
People through out time have been redrawing the map. Every country was created at some time in the past. There was no middle east, with a few autonomous zones.
No palestine, no arabia, UEA, no syria, no iraq.
You can't have the ottoman empire back, so get used to the fact that the region was carved and and now states do exist, if they would stop trying to kill each other.
Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.
Syria started off as five states. They throw off kings and pretend to have elections for dictators and despots.
Tribal/clan fighting have gone on centuries. Last century they were marking their land by who owns which well. Now they have countries to govern.
The formation of Israel was well known. Palestine (region) was under developed, under populated and cost more to govern than it could bring in with taxes.
Jews that lived in the region or jews that were scatted are still tied to Jerusalem. I is the one thing the most identify with. It is the what has kept them united and strong. They care for it, they love it, they will nurture it. Sadly the palestinians just want to spill blood on it, as if salting the land so nothing but hate can grow.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other in the world. Arabs, christians, druze, whatever, they have learned to united as one people. The only thing apartheid is the palestinians refusal to recognize Israel.

Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.

That may be true or not but either way it is irrelevant. Palestine was created by post war treaties like all of the other countries in the region.

Those treaties defined Palestine's international borders.

All of the people (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) whose normal residence was inside those defined borders at that time became the distinct nationality of Palestinian.

All of these people were citizens of Palestine.

The mandate was assigned to Palestine. The mandate called Palestine a country many times.

 

[aris2chat]

Israel did not exist until may 1948, so anything before this time was the arab's obeying the commands in the Koran that tell them to wipe out the Jews

The whole face of the map changed after WWI and WWII.
People through out time have been redrawing the map. Every country was created at some time in the past. There was no middle east, with a few autonomous zones.
No palestine, no arabia, UEA, no syria, no iraq.
You can't have the ottoman empire back, so get used to the fact that the region was carved and and now states do exist, if they would stop trying to kill each other.
Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.
Syria started off as five states. They throw off kings and pretend to have elections for dictators and despots.
Tribal/clan fighting have gone on centuries. Last century they were marking their land by who owns which well. Now they have countries to govern.
The formation of Israel was well known. Palestine (region) was under developed, under populated and cost more to govern than it could bring in with taxes.
Jews that lived in the region or jews that were scatted are still tied to Jerusalem. I is the one thing the most identify with. It is the what has kept them united and strong. They care for it, they love it, they will nurture it. Sadly the palestinians just want to spill blood on it, as if salting the land so nothing but hate can grow.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other in the world. Arabs, christians, druze, whatever, they have learned to united as one people. The only thing apartheid is the palestinians refusal to recognize Israel.

Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.

That may be true or not but either way it is irrelevant. Palestine was created by post war treaties like all of the other countries in the region.

Those treaties defined Palestine's international borders.

All of the people (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) whose normal residence was inside those defined borders at that time became the distinct nationality of Palestinian.

All of these people were citizens of Palestine.

The mandate was assigned to Palestine. The mandate called Palestine a country many times.

A mandate was created. From that mandate came the arabs state of trans-Jordan/Jordan and later Israel. Arabs rejected a palestinian state in the UN.

Semi autonomous Lebanon was created as a state in '43 and later '45 5 Syrian states (later Syria) were created from the French mandate.

Palestinians, those who had lived and worked in the Mandate at least two years before it ends, were offered a state. Jordan and Egypt took that land after attacking Israel within minutes of the mandate ending. Both were returned to Israel in the camp david accord.

Israel withdrew from Gaza and parts of the WB in a hope for cessation of violence. Sadly that did not happen. Israel has been trying to negotiate with the PA so palestinians could have a state.

 

[toastman]

Israel did not exist until may 1948, so anything before this time was the arab's obeying the commands in the Koran that tell them to wipe out the Jews

The whole face of the map changed after WWI and WWII.
People through out time have been redrawing the map. Every country was created at some time in the past. There was no middle east, with a few autonomous zones.
No palestine, no arabia, UEA, no syria, no iraq.
You can't have the ottoman empire back, so get used to the fact that the region was carved and and now states do exist, if they would stop trying to kill each other.
Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.
Syria started off as five states. They throw off kings and pretend to have elections for dictators and despots.
Tribal/clan fighting have gone on centuries. Last century they were marking their land by who owns which well. Now they have countries to govern.
The formation of Israel was well known. Palestine (region) was under developed, under populated and cost more to govern than it could bring in with taxes.
Jews that lived in the region or jews that were scatted are still tied to Jerusalem. I is the one thing the most identify with. It is the what has kept them united and strong. They care for it, they love it, they will nurture it. Sadly the palestinians just want to spill blood on it, as if salting the land so nothing but hate can grow.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other in the world. Arabs, christians, druze, whatever, they have learned to united as one people. The only thing apartheid is the palestinians refusal to recognize Israel.

Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.

That may be true or not but either way it is irrelevant. Palestine was created by post war treaties like all of the other countries in the region.

Those treaties defined Palestine's international borders.

All of the people (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) whose normal residence was inside those defined borders at that time became the distinct nationality of Palestinian.

All of these people were citizens of Palestine.

The mandate was assigned to Palestine. The mandate called Palestine a country many times.

This is false. A palestinian state was not created and Palestine has no international borders. Stop lying

 

[Kondor3]

"...The mandate called Palestine a country many times."

I wouldn't read too much into that.

It's easier than writing "...that unincorporated region traditionally called Palestine which has never been a polity or nation-state unto itself and which is presently unorganized and incapable of governing itself on a par with recognized nation-states in a manner suitable for the benefit of all the elements of its diverse population..."

Saying "country" is so much simpler, isn't it?

Doesn't mean they actually were or are one, though.

Besides, if you're unwilling to accept British judgement as to the disposition of the land, then you cannot suddenly judge the British competent to call Palestine a 'country' in the sense of the word that you wish to use.

If the British aren't good enough to dispose of the land, then they certainly aren't good enough to label or to authoritatively assign attributes to the land.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel did not exist until may 1948, so anything before this time was the arab's obeying the commands in the Koran that tell them to wipe out the Jews

The whole face of the map changed after WWI and WWII.
People through out time have been redrawing the map. Every country was created at some time in the past. There was no middle east, with a few autonomous zones.
No palestine, no arabia, UEA, no syria, no iraq.
You can't have the ottoman empire back, so get used to the fact that the region was carved and and now states do exist, if they would stop trying to kill each other.
Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.
Syria started off as five states. They throw off kings and pretend to have elections for dictators and despots.
Tribal/clan fighting have gone on centuries. Last century they were marking their land by who owns which well. Now they have countries to govern.
The formation of Israel was well known. Palestine (region) was under developed, under populated and cost more to govern than it could bring in with taxes.
Jews that lived in the region or jews that were scatted are still tied to Jerusalem. I is the one thing the most identify with. It is the what has kept them united and strong. They care for it, they love it, they will nurture it. Sadly the palestinians just want to spill blood on it, as if salting the land so nothing but hate can grow.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other in the world. Arabs, christians, druze, whatever, they have learned to united as one people. The only thing apartheid is the palestinians refusal to recognize Israel.

Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.

That may be true or not but either way it is irrelevant. Palestine was created by post war treaties like all of the other countries in the region.

Those treaties defined Palestine's international borders.

All of the people (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) whose normal residence was inside those defined borders at that time became the distinct nationality of Palestinian.

All of these people were citizens of Palestine.

The mandate was assigned to Palestine. The mandate called Palestine a country many times.

If what you say is correct then Jordan is still part of Palestine along with Saudi, Syria and Lebanon. And its INTERNATIONAL BORDERS take up some if not all of these sovereign countries. So why don't you send an email to the UN and the heads of all the countries involved demanding that the land be given back to the indigenous Palestinian people. You yourself have produced the maps showing these borders so you cant deny they exist.

Once again your total stupidity has turned round and bit you hard on the arse and shown you complete lack of any intelligence regarding the two mandates or the definition of borders. Read 242 which spells it out very clearly Palestine has no borders and all the parties concerned have to negotiate clear and defensible borders. And for the record there is never any mention of Palestine or the filastins in 242.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The whole face of the map changed after WWI and WWII.
People through out time have been redrawing the map. Every country was created at some time in the past. There was no middle east, with a few autonomous zones.
No palestine, no arabia, UEA, no syria, no iraq.
You can't have the ottoman empire back, so get used to the fact that the region was carved and and now states do exist, if they would stop trying to kill each other.
Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.
Syria started off as five states. They throw off kings and pretend to have elections for dictators and despots.
Tribal/clan fighting have gone on centuries. Last century they were marking their land by who owns which well. Now they have countries to govern.
The formation of Israel was well known. Palestine (region) was under developed, under populated and cost more to govern than it could bring in with taxes.
Jews that lived in the region or jews that were scatted are still tied to Jerusalem. I is the one thing the most identify with. It is the what has kept them united and strong. They care for it, they love it, they will nurture it. Sadly the palestinians just want to spill blood on it, as if salting the land so nothing but hate can grow.
Israel has as much right to exist as any other in the world. Arabs, christians, druze, whatever, they have learned to united as one people. The only thing apartheid is the palestinians refusal to recognize Israel.

Neither arabs nor turks care to give the arabs a palestinian state.

That may be true or not but either way it is irrelevant. Palestine was created by post war treaties like all of the other countries in the region.

Those treaties defined Palestine's international borders.

All of the people (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) whose normal residence was inside those defined borders at that time became the distinct nationality of Palestinian.

All of these people were citizens of Palestine.

The mandate was assigned to Palestine. The mandate called Palestine a country many times.

This is false. A palestinian state was not created and Palestine has no international borders. Stop lying

Look for international boundaries in the legend, then find them on the map.

Where were these borders after the 1948 war?

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

Still there.

 

[toastman]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

 

[Phoenall]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

1948 when the legal owners gave the land to them as a gift, or have you forgotten that part of history. And if you look the alleged border is actually a cease fire line, read the legend to the left.

 

[Billo_Really]

There are Jews all over the world, but only one Jewish state.

There Are Arabs all over the world, with 22 states. And they don't feel it's enough, as they greed our own, as well.

The right to exist as a people is something that was offered to them in 1948. But they chose to see it that this right means that WE cannot exist as a people.

They opened a war to "establish" this right for identity, which means the destruction of ours.

They have lost.

They don't have a state today simply because we insist on existing.

That is why we're hated. For existing.

If it's us existing or them, we chose us.

Once it stops being "or", a game they have started, they'll win justice.

But as long as they insist on destroying us, they'll live with sorrow.

It's very simple.

You're hated because you treat them like garbage, have no regard for human rights and international law and refuse to take responsibility for the shit you do.

You're hated for the things you have done and are doing.

People are okay with you existing; they are not okay with you existing on land that isn't yours.

 

[toastman]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

 

[Billo_Really]

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

What name you call them doesn't mean shit.

They are indigenous arabs and they have rights.

 

[toastman]

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

What name you call them doesn't mean shit.

They are indigenous arabs and they have rights.

What I call who ?

What are you talking about ??

 

[Billo_Really]

What I call who ?

What are you talking about ??

You made an issue over the name "Palestinian's", as if it was relevant to the conversation. I'm saying what name you call these people has nothing to do with this situation.

 

[toastman]

What I call who ?

What are you talking about ??

You made an issue over the name "Palestinian's", as if it was relevant to the conversation. I'm saying what name you call these people has nothing to do with this situation.

You misunderstood. I was saying that Israels land withing the green line is not Palestines land. Nothing to do with the name Palestine or Palestinians

 

[Billo_Really]

You misunderstood. I was saying that Israels land withing the green line is not Palestines land. Nothing to do with the name Palestine or Palestinians

Sorry, my bad.

And yes, you are correct. It is not the Palestinian's land. That's Israel.

 

[toastman]

Kershaw, Dodgers agree on seven-year, $215M deal

$ 30 M a year

 

[Billo_Really]

Kershaw, Dodgers agree on seven-year, $215M deal

$ 30 M a year

Don't talk to me about sports, my team sucks!

 

[toastman]

Lakers?

 

[Billo_Really]

Lakers?

We've lost 5 in a row and 9 out of 10.