I will not Bow!

[toastman]

Oh boo fuckin hoo


The Lakers have won more Championships then I can remember lol

 

[Phoenall]

There are Jews all over the world, but only one Jewish state.

There Are Arabs all over the world, with 22 states. And they don't feel it's enough, as they greed our own, as well.

The right to exist as a people is something that was offered to them in 1948. But they chose to see it that this right means that WE cannot exist as a people.

They opened a war to "establish" this right for identity, which means the destruction of ours.

They have lost.

They don't have a state today simply because we insist on existing.

That is why we're hated. For existing.

If it's us existing or them, we chose us.

Once it stops being "or", a game they have started, they'll win justice.

But as long as they insist on destroying us, they'll live with sorrow.

It's very simple.

You're hated because you treat them like garbage, have no regard for human rights and international law and refuse to take responsibility for the shit you do.

You're hated for the things you have done and are doing.

People are okay with you existing; they are not okay with you existing on land that isn't yours.

That should not be a problem to you after all you exist on land that is not yours, land stolen by your forefathers from its legal owners.
As for the land in Palestine that you claim is muslim, even they will tell you they arrived a little over 100 years ago and forcibly removed the Jews from much of the land. Your problem is that you are a RACIST NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

1948 when the legal owners gave the land to them as a gift, or have you forgotten that part of history. And if you look the alleged border is actually a cease fire line, read the legend to the left.

Who do you say were the legal owners and when did this transfer take place? What were the established borders of that land?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file

Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

So, when the UN used the term "southernmost tip of Palestine" in its armistice agreement, what were they talking about? What country were they talking about? Whose land was it?

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh boo fuckin hoo


The Lakers have won more Championships then I can remember lol

17 to be exact. Celtics have won 18.

If we miss the playoffs, it will be the first time we didn't play in the post-season in 18 years. We've made the playoffs the last 18 years in a row.

People hate the Lakers more than they do Israel.

I guess people don't like someone who's "always" good.

 

[Billo_Really]

That should not be a problem to you after all you exist on land that is not yours, land stolen by your forefathers from its legal owners.
As for the land in Palestine that you claim is muslim, even they will tell you they arrived a little over 100 years ago and forcibly removed the Jews from much of the land. Your problem is that you are a RACIST NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER

Yeah, but I like a good book, long walks on the beach and...

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep using that map as if it helps you at all lol !!

That is a map of the partition plan. The borders you see there are PROJECTED BORDERS.

Israel has international boundaries with Egypt and Jordan.

Here is a CURRENT map, something you are not able to produce.


Israel Map - Israel Satellite Image - Physical - Political

Notice the INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY line where Egypt-Israel is and where Jordan-Israel is.

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

Resolution 181 was a plan for the Palestinians to give land to Israel. The Palestinians rejected the plan.

Britain would not transfer that land without Palestinian approval.

The UN Security Council would not transfer the land without Palestinian approval.

The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate plan.

Where did the Palestinians get the authority to reject this land transfer if the land was not theirs?

 

[toastman]

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file

Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

So, when the UN used the term "southernmost tip of Palestine" in its armistice agreement, what were they talking about? What country were they talking about? Whose land was it?

The armisitice lines were signed in 1949, 30 years BEFORE the Israel Egypt treaty and 45 years before the Israel - Jordan peace treaty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file

Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

So, when the UN used the term "southernmost tip of Palestine" in its armistice agreement, what were they talking about? What country were they talking about? Whose land was it?

The armisitice lines were signed in 1949, 30 years BEFORE the Israel Egypt treaty and 45 years before the Israel - Jordan peace treaty.

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

 

[toastman]

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

Resolution 181 was a plan for the Palestinians to give land to Israel. The Palestinians rejected the plan.

Britain would not transfer that land without Palestinian approval.

The UN Security Council would not transfer the land without Palestinian approval.

The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate plan.

Where did the Palestinians get the authority to reject this land transfer if the land was not theirs?

Land transfer is a matter of real estate. Nothing to do with practicing sovereignty, which Israel did in 1948.

When I say you made that up, I meant you didn't read it somewhere, it's just your opinion. 2

 

[toastman]

So, when the UN used the term "southernmost tip of Palestine" in its armistice agreement, what were they talking about? What country were they talking about? Whose land was it?

The armisitice lines were signed in 1949, 30 years BEFORE the Israel Egypt treaty and 45 years before the Israel - Jordan peace treaty.

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

It's obvious you don't recognize Israels declaration of independence

 

[P F Tinmore]

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

Resolution 181 was a plan for the Palestinians to give land to Israel. The Palestinians rejected the plan.

Britain would not transfer that land without Palestinian approval.

The UN Security Council would not transfer the land without Palestinian approval.

The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate plan.

Where did the Palestinians get the authority to reject this land transfer if the land was not theirs?

Land transfer is a matter of real estate. Nothing to do with practicing sovereignty, which Israel did in 1948.

When I say you made that up, I meant you didn't read it somewhere, it's just your opinion. 2

So, Israel has no land because that is a real estate thing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The armisitice lines were signed in 1949, 30 years BEFORE the Israel Egypt treaty and 45 years before the Israel - Jordan peace treaty.

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

It's obvious you don't recognize Israels declaration of independence

What land and borders were specified in that declaration?

 

[dblack]

Does anyone else keep reading the topic header as "I will not Bowl"? I was thinking maybe it was as screed against The Big Lebowski or something.

 

[Phoenall]

Interesting that Israel claims a border on Palestine.

When did Israel acquire that land to be able to claim a border?

The agreement was between Israel & Egypt and Israel & Jordan. Not Palestine. It's not 'Palestines' land .
You keep making up this crap that Palestine had to have agreed to giving land to Israel.

And it is not ISRAEL only that claims the border. It's the U.N as well, and it's on file


Again, this is not something that is up for discussion

Resolution 181 was a plan for the Palestinians to give land to Israel. The Palestinians rejected the plan.

Britain would not transfer that land without Palestinian approval.

The UN Security Council would not transfer the land without Palestinian approval.

The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate plan.

Where did the Palestinians get the authority to reject this land transfer if the land was not theirs?

They never did, as it was the arab league that rejected the partition plan. The only Palestinians recognised in 1948 were the Jews that lived in the mandate. Britain transferred their control of the mandate to the UN who declared the partition plan and Israel instantly made a unilateral declaration of the start of Israel. This was a legal and recognised manner of bringing Israel into existence. The UN had never recognised the legal standing of the filastin people until they were admitted to the UN as observers.

 

[Phoenall]

So, when the UN used the term "southernmost tip of Palestine" in its armistice agreement, what were they talking about? What country were they talking about? Whose land was it?

The armisitice lines were signed in 1949, 30 years BEFORE the Israel Egypt treaty and 45 years before the Israel - Jordan peace treaty.

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

They gave it to Israel under the terms of UN res 242, you see Palestine was never a sovereign nation in the eyes of international law. All it ever was, was a undefined area of the M.E that was carved up and given to the arabs and Jews. The first part to go was the land given to Jordan that ended at the eastern bank of the river Jordan.

 

[Phoenall]

Resolution 181 was a plan for the Palestinians to give land to Israel. The Palestinians rejected the plan.

Britain would not transfer that land without Palestinian approval.

The UN Security Council would not transfer the land without Palestinian approval.

The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate plan.

Where did the Palestinians get the authority to reject this land transfer if the land was not theirs?

Land transfer is a matter of real estate. Nothing to do with practicing sovereignty, which Israel did in 1948.

When I say you made that up, I meant you didn't read it somewhere, it's just your opinion. 2

So, Israel has no land because that is a real estate thing.

No Israel has land that was set aside for it as a homeland for the Jews by the British and the UN. A land that had flexible legal borders recognised by the UN and the rest of the civilised world. The people without any land as they have never existed are the filstans

 

[Phoenall]

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

It's obvious you don't recognize Israels declaration of independence

What land and borders were specified in that declaration?

None as the borders were still flexible, but the benchmark was the partition plan borders. Then the arab armies attacked and managed to steal portions of Israel in the process, so after the war Israel was smaller than originally planned. The UN decided to waive the "no land gained by war" rule and allowed Jordan, Syria and Egypt to keep the land they had stole.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's obvious you don't recognize Israels declaration of independence

What land and borders were specified in that declaration?

None as the borders were still flexible, but the benchmark was the partition plan borders. Then the arab armies attacked and managed to steal portions of Israel in the process, so after the war Israel was smaller than originally planned. The UN decided to waive the "no land gained by war" rule and allowed Jordan, Syria and Egypt to keep the land they had stole.

International borders are flexible?

Do you have a link for that? Under what terms can international borders be changed?

 

[toastman]

So? How did Israel get Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt?

It's obvious you don't recognize Israels declaration of independence

What land and borders were specified in that declaration?

Israel did not declare borders during their declaration of independence. Which has nothing to do with the fact that they currently have PERMANENT INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARIES with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994).