I will not Bow!

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You have to deconstruct this.

UN res 181 partition plan flopped.

(COMMENT)

Objectively speaking, the 3-Part Plan was one-third implemented. In school, we would say 33% success. It is very subjective to say it was a flop; but I certainly agree that it could have had a better outcome.

British (the mandate) refused to implement the resolution without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council.

(COMMENT)

Well, not exactly true. While the UK Mandatory did not implement, the UNPC did, to the 33% mark. The UNPC was the action agent for the UN GA and the UNSC. It was the successor government.

The US withdrew its support and offered an alternate plan.

(COMMENT)

What the US said and what it actually did, was two different things. Upon receipt of the Declaration of Independence, the US was the very first nation to grant recognition. Currently, about 80% of the UN member nations recognize the State of Israel.

The UN defined no borders, transferred no land, and created no states.

(COMMENT)

That is right, the UN defined no borders and transferred no land. Why? Because that is not how it is done. The state that declares independence identified the territory is it declaring independence over. In the case of Israel, clearly they indicated they were declaring independence IAW the GA/RES/181(II), which included a verbal description and a Map.

In point of fact, this is very similar to what the 5-Arab League States the immediately attacked did. Nearly all the borders in the Region are straight-line surveys by the Allied Powers, from Persia westward to the Mediterranean Sea.

I (personally) don't recognize the State of Palestine. However, it has, based on the 1988 Declaration, about 70% of the UN membership which has given recognition.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Now lets see the figures from 1850 to 1920 and them from 1930 to 1948.

Or are you the one who is full of shit..................

Well, according to the UN...

During the 25 years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewry. Over this period the Jewish population of Palestine, composed principally of immigrants, increased from less than 10 per cent in 1917 to over 30 per cent in 1947.

...the only large scale migration into Palestine, was from the jews.

Arabs were already there!

So you're the one who's full of shit.

 

[Billo_Really]

Thankfully, that's not your decision to make.

Nor is it anyone elses but the Israelis and the muslims, and until the muslims wind their necks in they will lose

First off, this has nothing to do with muslims. This is a political and judicial issue, not a religious one. Second, eventually, if Israel doesn't decide, that "decision", will be made for them. And third, WTF does "wind their necks" mean?

It has everything to do with islam and the muslims when they are invoking their religion when they MASS MURDER. Who will make that decision and go against the fundamental right of the Israeli's to decide their own path. How would you feel if the UN decided to force the muslims into accepting something they don't want. Simply put it means stop being so aggressive and belligerent and getting in peoples faces.

That's not the issue. The issue is, "Who gave Israel the right to decide the Palestinian's path?"

Or turning it round who gave the HoAP muslims the right to decide the Jews path

But they are not trying to do that, so why do you keep pushing this strawman argument?

Bullshit they want to wipe out every Jew in the M.E and destroy Israel. It is entrenched in every single charter the HoAP have

Their leaders have already stated they're willing to accept a two-state solution, so your "charter" comment is full of shit!



What has Israel done to allow the Pals to live peacefully?

Take the withdrawal from Gaza in August 2005, what did the HoaAP do to prove they could be peaceful after that.

Israel did not withdraw from Gaza! You actually expect people to be peaceful, when you are constantly shooting at them, while they fish and farm; while you deliberately murder their children; while you shoot out the lamps at the top of their light poles, after they made street improvements; while you violate their air space on a weekly basis; and after you cut out the dead, un-born baby, from the belly of a Palestinian mother you just killed and left the body in the street for all to see? You expect peace after all that? You're lucky I'm not there. If you did that to me, I would **** your country up!

Israel withdrew from gaza completely in August 2005, and even the HoAP agree that is the case. The HoAP increased the rate of attack without any provocation and taunted the Israeli's. All that you spout is just Islamic blood libels with no corroborative evidence available. But then you never let a lie get in the way of your NAZI JEW HATRED AND ANTI SEMITIC LIES do you

You cannot "completely withdraw", yet control over 80% of what goes into (and out of) the area. It's either one or the other. How old are you? You've got the logic of a 15 year old.

In August 2005 Israel completely withdrew from gaza and did not impose any restrictions or blockades until 2008, So were was the control of what went in or out other than that accorded to all nations under International law. How old are you and what grade did you stop your schooling, You sound like a 9 year old

They might of withdrawn physically from the area, but they never withdrew control over the area, nor did they stop conducting air raids and targeted assassinations?

They withdrew completely and gave up all control other than that accorded to all Nations under International law. The did not send any planes over gaza, they did not fire any weapons into gaza and they did not assassinate anyone in gaza. So why did the HoAP increase the rate of fire and severity of attacks on Israeli civilians, mostly children ?

Well, according to the UN...

In 2005, Israel withdrew its settlers and troops from Gaza while retaining control over its borders, seashore and airspace.

...they didn't give up control of Gaza and once again, you are full of shit.



Because that's what Israel wants.

Not Israel that is putting obstacles in the way is it, not Israel demanding pre conditions before even thinking about starting the peace talks. NOT ISREAL MAKING THE CLAIM THAT THEY WILL MASS MURDER ALL THE MUSLIMS .

You don't consider over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints in the West Bank, "obstacles"? You don't consider the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza, an "obstacle"? You don't consider a 47 year occupation of land that isn't yours, an "obstacle"?

No as they are security measures to stop terrorist attacks on innocent Israeli civilians, but you don't see that do you all you see is JOOOOOOS. The blockade is there to stop gun running and has saved the lives if thousands of innocent people. The HoAP would rather spend $1 million on building a tunnel so they could murder one Israeli child than spend $1 on providing a meal for a starving child in gaza. No occupation at all if you look at the facts, the land was given back to its rightful owners and refused, Israel was told to do what they wanted as Egypt and Jordan no longer wanted the bother of HoAP terrorism.

You're FOS! The roadblocks are in the West Bank, not between the West Bank and Israel. The blockade is there to punish Gazan's because Israel didn't like who they voted for in a democratic election. Like it's any of Israel's ******* business who the Pals vote for. And the tunnels are built to bring in the goods necessary to support a population of that size. BTW, those are the goods Israel is preventing with their blockade.

Yes goods like grad rockets, Kalashnikovs, grenades, H.E, Nitrates and other weapons to be used to target Israel children. But then you NAZI JEW HATING SHIT don't believe that the JOOOOS should be allowed to defend themselves from attack do you. Is it any of your business who the UK vote for, and if they want to withdraw from the EU, because your tame neo Marxist chimp thinks it is.

Maybe they're weapons to be used to defend themselves from Israeli aggression. Did you ever think of that? As far as your UK comment, I don't see WTF that has to do with this conversation? No only do you make up shit, it's stupid shit to boot!

What Israeli aggression as it is the HoAP that are the aggressors, the Israelis just respond to the constant rocket attacks. Take the ceasefire that hamas broke when they allowed rockets to be fired into Israel in the vicinity of the Funeral. Was Israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing to safeguard the foreign dignitaries attending the Funeral. It's you that is full of shit, islamonazi shit at that

A population under occupation is not the aggressor.



Well the pro terrorist on this board seem to think the boycott of Israeli goods is a threat that cant be ignored

You consider choosing not to buy your products (made from OPT sweat shops), "terrorism"? You consider people trying to symbolically enforce the law, "terrorists"?

Would you rather buy your goods from a Chinese neo Marxist sweat shop, or a Pakistani muslim sweat shop. Then complain when they don't last a month. For the record what Israeli goods are made in a sweat shop, now this should be entertaining as you scour the internet for muslim blood libels
Personally, I'd rather buy American.

Then stop attacking the Jews because you are a NAZI JEW HATER because they keep 30% of American defence workers in employment. And going on the quality of the US goods I have then you are easily pleased with trash quality. Who wants a car that wallows like a pregnant whale and handles like a piece of overcooked spaghetti

You tell me to "stop attacking the Jews", then you turn right around and attack Americans! What a ******* hypocrite, you are.

Get it right I attack idiotic Americans like you who don't know what time it is. Who elect a neo Marxist to lead their country and fawn all over him when he bows to a muslim.

How could you have possibly been attacking me, when I've never made a car that "wallows like a pregnant whale and handles like a piece of overcooked spaghetti"?

You can always tell when a pro terrorist is losing they resort to abusive profanity and outright lies.

Unfortunately, you haven't proven either, so don't change the subject!

Do I need to highlight all your LIES and PROFANITIES above, in the UK we say that this is a lack of education and is how low life's and crack whores talk.

The "LIES" you need to prove, the profanity is there for emphasis and has nothing to do with what I know, or don't know.

The LIES are self evident as you LIE for the muslims all the time, the profanities are there because you don't have the intelligence to come up with a reasoned argument. So all in all a complete idiot that has been brainwashed by a neo Marxist

Sorry, you have to prove the LIES. The only reason you say they're "self-evident", is because you cannot prove what you claim.

Que pasa, mutha?

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine was recognized by five other states when it declared independence in 1948. They worked with those other states. Palestine was admitted to the Arab League as a member state in 1974.

But was not recognised by the organisation that matters so they stayed stateless, unlike Israel that was recognised and admitted to the organisation.

I know I have said this before: absence a peace treaty signed by Israel and Palestine the UN recognizes the 67 armistice lines as their borders.

That is current International Law.

THERE WERE NEVER ANY '67 BORDERS THEY WERE THE CEASE FIRE LINES. Read the various UN resolutions for clarification, try 242 which states that Israel has to negotiate its borders with its neighbours. Now this may sound harsh but at no time is Palestine mentioned just Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Israel has agreed borders with Egypt and Jordan, now it waits for Syria and Lebanon.

So how can the UN recognise something it says does not exist, this bullshit comes straight from pallywood

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine was recognized by five other states when it declared independence in 1948. They worked with those other states. Palestine was admitted to the Arab League as a member state in 1974.

But was not recognised by the organisation that matters so they stayed stateless, unlike Israel that was recognised and admitted to the organisation.

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

becoming a member of the UN is not a pre-requisite to being granted statehood, Israel was recognised as a state before it was admitted to the UN. The legitimacy of a state is down to recognition by the majority of other states, so Palestine has no legitimacy until 2012. So until you can produce unbiased sources of the formation of a legitimate state recognised under International Law then Palestine is just a mark on the map to show an area of interest, much like the Sahara or Gobi deserts.

 

[Phoenall]

Where is Israel's defined territory?

UN res 181 partition plan sets out the starting point for the borders, all there in black and white. Further to this the UN res 242 sets out the need for negotiations to allow for mutual agreement of future borders.

UN res 181 partition plan flopped. British (the mandate) refused to implement the resolution without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and offered an alternate plan.

The UN defined no borders, transferred no land, and created no states.

But under the original concept of 181 Israel declared itself a state before the British could do a thing, so the UN was forced to recognise Israel as a sovereign nation. The borders went undefined until the ceasefire lines of 1949 and were to be NEGOTIATED. Sorry to say but Israel was created on May 15 1948 by its unilateral declaration. The HoAP could not unilaterally declare that this was their nation 6 months later. Once you understand this the rest falls into place and you see the illegality of the HoAP claims.

 

[Phoenall]

Now lets see the figures from 1850 to 1920 and them from 1930 to 1948.

Or are you the one who is full of shit..................

Well, according to the UN...

During the 25 years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewry. Over this period the Jewish population of Palestine, composed principally of immigrants, increased from less than 10 per cent in 1917 to over 30 per cent in 1947.

...the only large scale migration into Palestine, was from the jews.

Arabs were already there!

So you're the one who's full of shit.

Here you go then

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922-*1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem

or this

http://www.aucegypt.edu/gapp/cmrs/documents/ismaillubbad.pdf

This

Substantial Immigration of Arab Migrant workers into Western Palestine from 1880-1948

While the "Jewish population" of Palestine was "predominantly immigrant in character," according to the 1931 census of Palestine[7] the Muslims were assumed to be "the natural population" -- "Not quite two percent of the Moslem population are immigrants." By 1945, the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry would report that, although the Jewish population had risen from 84,000 in 1922 to 554,000, and "three-fourths of this ... [Jewish] expansion was accounted for by immigration," the Arabs had increased "by a greater number" than the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Thankfully, that's not your decision to make.

Nor is it anyone elses but the Israelis and the muslims, and until the muslims wind their necks in they will lose

First off, this has nothing to do with muslims. This is a political and judicial issue, not a religious one. Second, eventually, if Israel doesn't decide, that "decision", will be made for them. And third, WTF does "wind their necks" mean?

It has everything to do with islam and the muslims when they are invoking their religion when they MASS MURDER. Who will make that decision and go against the fundamental right of the Israeli's to decide their own path. How would you feel if the UN decided to force the muslims into accepting something they don't want. Simply put it means stop being so aggressive and belligerent and getting in peoples faces.

That's not the issue. The issue is, "Who gave Israel the right to decide the Palestinian's path?"

Or turning it round who gave the HoAP muslims the right to decide the Jews path

But they are not trying to do that, so why do you keep pushing this strawman argument?

Bullshit they want to wipe out every Jew in the M.E and destroy Israel. It is entrenched in every single charter the HoAP have

Their leaders have already stated they're willing to accept a two-state solution, so your "charter" comment is full of shit!

Then why are they now denying a two state solution and are demanding a one Islamic state solution


What has Israel done to allow the Pals to live peacefully?

Take the withdrawal from Gaza in August 2005, what did the HoaAP do to prove they could be peaceful after that.

Israel did not withdraw from Gaza! You actually expect people to be peaceful, when you are constantly shooting at them, while they fish and farm; while you deliberately murder their children; while you shoot out the lamps at the top of their light poles, after they made street improvements; while you violate their air space on a weekly basis; and after you cut out the dead, un-born baby, from the belly of a Palestinian mother you just killed and left the body in the street for all to see? You expect peace after all that? You're lucky I'm not there. If you did that to me, I would **** your country up!

Israel withdrew from gaza completely in August 2005, and even the HoAP agree that is the case. The HoAP increased the rate of attack without any provocation and taunted the Israeli's. All that you spout is just Islamic blood libels with no corroborative evidence available. But then you never let a lie get in the way of your NAZI JEW HATRED AND ANTI SEMITIC LIES do you

You cannot "completely withdraw", yet control over 80% of what goes into (and out of) the area. It's either one or the other. How old are you? You've got the logic of a 15 year old.

In August 2005 Israel completely withdrew from gaza and did not impose any restrictions or blockades until 2008, So were was the control of what went in or out other than that accorded to all nations under International law. How old are you and what grade did you stop your schooling, You sound like a 9 year old

They might of withdrawn physically from the area, but they never withdrew control over the area, nor did they stop conducting air raids and targeted assassinations?

They withdrew completely and gave up all control other than that accorded to all Nations under International law. The did not send any planes over gaza, they did not fire any weapons into gaza and they did not assassinate anyone in gaza. So why did the HoAP increase the rate of fire and severity of attacks on Israeli civilians, mostly children ?

Well, according to the UN...

In 2005, Israel withdrew its settlers and troops from Gaza while retaining control over its borders, seashore and airspace.

...they didn't give up control of Gaza and once again, you are full of shit.


As I said they only did as they were expected under International Law, just the same as the US does with its borders with Mexico. And just the same with airspace and sea, you really need to look more closely at International law and the Geneva Conventions



Because that's what Israel wants.

Not Israel that is putting obstacles in the way is it, not Israel demanding pre conditions before even thinking about starting the peace talks. NOT ISREAL MAKING THE CLAIM THAT THEY WILL MASS MURDER ALL THE MUSLIMS .

You don't consider over 500 roadblocks and checkpoints in the West Bank, "obstacles"? You don't consider the illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza, an "obstacle"? You don't consider a 47 year occupation of land that isn't yours, an "obstacle"?

No as they are security measures to stop terrorist attacks on innocent Israeli civilians, but you don't see that do you all you see is JOOOOOOS. The blockade is there to stop gun running and has saved the lives if thousands of innocent people. The HoAP would rather spend $1 million on building a tunnel so they could murder one Israeli child than spend $1 on providing a meal for a starving child in gaza. No occupation at all if you look at the facts, the land was given back to its rightful owners and refused, Israel was told to do what they wanted as Egypt and Jordan no longer wanted the bother of HoAP terrorism.

You're FOS! The roadblocks are in the West Bank, not between the West Bank and Israel. The blockade is there to punish Gazan's because Israel didn't like who they voted for in a democratic election. Like it's any of Israel's ******* business who the Pals vote for. And the tunnels are built to bring in the goods necessary to support a population of that size. BTW, those are the goods Israel is preventing with their blockade.

Yes goods like grad rockets, Kalashnikovs, grenades, H.E, Nitrates and other weapons to be used to target Israel children. But then you NAZI JEW HATING SHIT don't believe that the JOOOOS should be allowed to defend themselves from attack do you. Is it any of your business who the UK vote for, and if they want to withdraw from the EU, because your tame neo Marxist chimp thinks it is.

Maybe they're weapons to be used to defend themselves from Israeli aggression. Did you ever think of that? As far as your UK comment, I don't see WTF that has to do with this conversation? No only do you make up shit, it's stupid shit to boot!

What Israeli aggression as it is the HoAP that are the aggressors, the Israelis just respond to the constant rocket attacks. Take the ceasefire that hamas broke when they allowed rockets to be fired into Israel in the vicinity of the Funeral. Was Israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing to safeguard the foreign dignitaries attending the Funeral. It's you that is full of shit, islamonazi shit at that

A population under occupation is not the aggressor.


A population constantly showing belligerence soon becomes a population under occupation

Well the pro terrorist on this board seem to think the boycott of Israeli goods is a threat that cant be ignored

You consider choosing not to buy your products (made from OPT sweat shops), "terrorism"? You consider people trying to symbolically enforce the law, "terrorists"?

Would you rather buy your goods from a Chinese neo Marxist sweat shop, or a Pakistani muslim sweat shop. Then complain when they don't last a month. For the record what Israeli goods are made in a sweat shop, now this should be entertaining as you scour the internet for muslim blood libels
Personally, I'd rather buy American.

Then stop attacking the Jews because you are a NAZI JEW HATER because they keep 30% of American defence workers in employment. And going on the quality of the US goods I have then you are easily pleased with trash quality. Who wants a car that wallows like a pregnant whale and handles like a piece of overcooked spaghetti

You tell me to "stop attacking the Jews", then you turn right around and attack Americans! What a ******* hypocrite, you are.

Get it right I attack idiotic Americans like you who don't know what time it is. Who elect a neo Marxist to lead their country and fawn all over him when he bows to a muslim.

How could you have possibly been attacking me, when I've never made a car that "wallows like a pregnant whale and handles like a piece of overcooked spaghetti"?

Have you ever owned one, and di you take it back because of those faults. If you have and kept it then you are instrumental in the design of unsafe cars. This explains why Italian and British sports cars exceed the sales of American muscle cars

You can always tell when a pro terrorist is losing they resort to abusive profanity and outright lies.

Unfortunately, you haven't proven either, so don't change the subject!

Do I need to highlight all your LIES and PROFANITIES above, in the UK we say that this is a lack of education and is how low life's and crack whores talk.

The "LIES" you need to prove, the profanity is there for emphasis and has nothing to do with what I know, or don't know.

The LIES are self evident as you LIE for the muslims all the time, the profanities are there because you don't have the intelligence to come up with a reasoned argument. So all in all a complete idiot that has been brainwashed by a neo Marxist

Sorry, you have to prove the LIES. The only reason you say they're "self-evident", is because you cannot prove what you claim.

Que pasa, mutha?

Not at all if the LIES are self evident then no proof is required, and your LIES based on islamonazo propaganda are very self evident.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But was not recognised by the organisation that matters so they stayed stateless, unlike Israel that was recognised and admitted to the organisation.

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

becoming a member of the UN is not a pre-requisite to being granted statehood, Israel was recognised as a state before it was admitted to the UN. The legitimacy of a state is down to recognition by the majority of other states, so Palestine has no legitimacy until 2012. So until you can produce unbiased sources of the formation of a legitimate state recognised under International Law then Palestine is just a mark on the map to show an area of interest, much like the Sahara or Gobi deserts.

Statehood is not granted. A nation of people inside a defined territory has the inherent right to declare statehood. They do not need to get permission from anyone. Recognition by other states is not required.

 

[toastman]

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

becoming a member of the UN is not a pre-requisite to being granted statehood, Israel was recognised as a state before it was admitted to the UN. The legitimacy of a state is down to recognition by the majority of other states, so Palestine has no legitimacy until 2012. So until you can produce unbiased sources of the formation of a legitimate state recognised under International Law then Palestine is just a mark on the map to show an area of interest, much like the Sahara or Gobi deserts.

Statehood is not granted. A nation of people inside a defined territory has the inherent right to declare statehood. They do not need to get permission from anyone. Recognition by other states is not required.

Hey Mr. Tinmore

How are you doing this fine evening ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

becoming a member of the UN is not a pre-requisite to being granted statehood, Israel was recognised as a state before it was admitted to the UN. The legitimacy of a state is down to recognition by the majority of other states, so Palestine has no legitimacy until 2012. So until you can produce unbiased sources of the formation of a legitimate state recognised under International Law then Palestine is just a mark on the map to show an area of interest, much like the Sahara or Gobi deserts.

Statehood is not granted. A nation of people inside a defined territory has the inherent right to declare statehood. They do not need to get permission from anyone. Recognition by other states is not required.

Hey Mr. Tinmore

How are you doing this fine evening ?

I'm good. And you?

 

[toastman]

I'm alright , thanks for asking

 

[pbel]

Palestine was recognized by five other states when it declared independence in 1948. They worked with those other states. Palestine was admitted to the Arab League as a member state in 1974.

But was not recognised by the organisation that matters so they stayed stateless, unlike Israel that was recognised and admitted to the organisation.

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

 

[Phoenall]

But was not recognised by the organisation that matters so they stayed stateless, unlike Israel that was recognised and admitted to the organisation.

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

 

[pbel]

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm



General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine



‘ Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations


Objective to ‘Breath New Life’ into Peace Process, Says Palestinian President;

Israel’s Delegate Counters, Without Direct Negotiations, Peace Remains ‘Out of Reach’


Voting by an overwhelming majority — 138 in favour to 9 against (Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Panama, Palau, United States), with 41 abstentions — the General Assembly today accorded Palestine non-Member Observer State status in the United Nations.


“The moment has arrived for the world to say clearly: enough of aggression, settlements and occupation,” said Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, as he called on the 193-member body to “issue a birth certificate of the reality of the State of Palestine”. Indeed, following Israel’s latest aggression against the Gaza Strip, the international community now faced “the last chance” to save the long elusive two-State solution, he said, adding: “the window of opportunity is narrowing and time is quickly running out”.

 

[natstew]

"People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose."

To regain their dignity? They never had any dignity to lose!!

 

[Phoenall]

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm



General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine



‘ Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations


Objective to ‘Breath New Life’ into Peace Process, Says Palestinian President;

Israel’s Delegate Counters, Without Direct Negotiations, Peace Remains ‘Out of Reach’


Voting by an overwhelming majority — 138 in favour to 9 against (Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Panama, Palau, United States), with 41 abstentions — the General Assembly today accorded Palestine non-Member Observer State status in the United Nations.


“The moment has arrived for the world to say clearly: enough of aggression, settlements and occupation,” said Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, as he called on the 193-member body to “issue a birth certificate of the reality of the State of Palestine”. Indeed, following Israel’s latest aggression against the Gaza Strip, the international community now faced “the last chance” to save the long elusive two-State solution, he said, adding: “the window of opportunity is narrowing and time is quickly running out”.

So were is the mention of '67 borders then, or did you slip that LIE in hoping that it would be missed. You need to try much harder than this if you want to get one over on the decent people of the world.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

"People who are willing to die to regain their dignity have nothing to lose."

To regain their dignity? They never had any dignity to lose!!

"Willing to die" because Islam is a death cult.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Switzerland did not become a member of the UN until 2003. Does that mean it was not a state before then.

The UN does not have anything to do with creating or bestowing legitimacy. It can only give political recognition. It has nothing to do with legal standing.

By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

The 67 borders are very nebulous, indeed. They are, in fact, the 1949 UN armistice lines. This is the definition of these lines:

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

It is curious then that the UN recognizes Israel using the armistice lines to designate its location.

It is important to note that the armistice lines do not merely separate Israel from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but also separate Israel from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. In many cases the armistice lines are drawn on top of Palestine's international borders with its neighbors.

The UN's own map of Israel has a disclaimer in the lower, left.

 

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By the way, Switzerland is a non-member observer State...the same status as the present Palestinian State to the 67 borders.

You can of course prove that Palestine became a member of the UN at the 1967 borders that were never mutually agreed, thus breaching the UN charter ?

The 67 borders are very nebulous, indeed. They are, in fact, the 1949 UN armistice lines. This is the definition of these lines:

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

It is curious then that the UN recognizes Israel using the armistice lines to designate its location.

It is important to note that the armistice lines do not merely separate Israel from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but also separate Israel from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. In many cases the armistice lines are drawn on top of Palestine's international borders with its neighbors.

The UN's own map of Israel has a disclaimer in the lower, left.

Yeah, so what? North and South Korea are also separated by armistice lines. Does that mean they don't exist?