I will not Bow!

[toastman]

Phoenall listed some results of exercising the right to self determination to imply that the Palestinians had no rights without first going into the history of why these things were lacking. Going back you can see that it is not that the Palestinians did not have rights but that their rights were violated by illegal external interference.


And then they were, making your post irrelevant. So why did you post it? Are you just blowing smoke on the issue?


Not true.

After the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there. Its borders were still there. Palestine and its borders existed separate from the mandate.


Palestinian nationality and citizenship were established through proper channels.

What is your point?


Link?


Could you quote the passage that says that?


Do you have a link to confirm that statement?

"And then they were, making your post irrelevant. So why did you post it? Are you just blowing smoke on the issue?"

Just because you find it irrelevant, doesn't make it so.

I said: "Palestine's borders were defined by international, post war treaties." Which is true.

Rocco said: "As to be determined by the Allied Powers and the Mandatory." Which is also true.

Then I said: "And then they were, making your post irrelevant."

Shortly thereafter Palestine's international borders were defined. So, what was the purpose of his post?

"After the mandate left Palestine, Palestine was still there. Its borders were still there. Palestine and its borders existed separate from the mandate."

Where did you read this? Link ???

The 1949 UN armistice agreements (the year following the end of the mandate) called Palestine Palestine many times. They referenced Palestine's international borders for determining the placement of armistice lines.

I can post links if you like.

"What is your point?"


What's yours???

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

 

[P F Tinmore]

While it is true that the Mandate for the UK Terminated and the UK left; the mandate did not terminate in its entirety. As far as the Mandate Territory and population is concerned, the power and authority of the Mandate merely changed hands from the UK to the UNPC as the successor government.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

You also stated:

Nothing changed. The Mandate, as an instrument of "occupied enemy territory administration," after the Military defeat of the Ottoman Empire.

Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

 

[P F Tinmore]

"And then they were, making your post irrelevant. So why did you post it? Are you just blowing smoke on the issue?"

Just because you find it irrelevant, doesn't make it so.

I said: "Palestine's borders were defined by international, post war treaties." Which is true.

Rocco said: "As to be determined by the Allied Powers and the Mandatory." Which is also true.

Then I said: "And then they were, making your post irrelevant."

Shortly thereafter Palestine's international borders were defined. So, what was the purpose of his post?


The 1949 UN armistice agreements (the year following the end of the mandate) called Palestine Palestine many times. They referenced Palestine's international borders for determining the placement of armistice lines.

I can post links if you like.

"What is your point?"


What's yours???

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.

I know of no previous agreements.

 

[toastman]

I said: "Palestine's borders were defined by international, post war treaties." Which is true.

Rocco said: "As to be determined by the Allied Powers and the Mandatory." Which is also true.

Then I said: "And then they were, making your post irrelevant."

Shortly thereafter Palestine's international borders were defined. So, what was the purpose of his post?


The 1949 UN armistice agreements (the year following the end of the mandate) called Palestine Palestine many times. They referenced Palestine's international borders for determining the placement of armistice lines.

I can post links if you like.

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.



I know of no previous agreements.

Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Second, Israel already has internationally recognized permanent borders with Egypt and Jordan. There is absolutely no dispute over them

 

[P F Tinmore]

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.



I know of no previous agreements.

Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Second, Israel already has internationally recognized permanent borders with Egypt and Jordan. There is absolutely no dispute over them

I did.

 

[toastman]

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.



I know of no previous agreements.

Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Second, Israel already has internationally recognized permanent borders with Egypt and Jordan. There is absolutely no dispute over them

I did.

Read my question again

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.

While it is true that the Mandate for the UK Terminated and the UK left; the mandate did not terminate in its entirety. As far as the Mandate Territory and population is concerned, the power and authority of the Mandate merely changed hands from the UK to the UNPC as the successor government.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

You also stated:

Nothing changed. The Mandate, as an instrument of "occupied enemy territory administration," after the Military defeat of the Ottoman Empire.

Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

While it is true that the Mandate for the UK Terminated and the UK left; the mandate did not terminate in its entirety. As far as the Mandate Territory and population is concerned, the power and authority of the Mandate merely changed hands from the UK to the UNPC as the successor government.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they have to under International Law, or could they just say this is how it will be.

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

Eventually, did they need any terms of disengagement under International Law or could they just say this is how it will be
You also stated:

Nothing changed. The Mandate, as an instrument of "occupied enemy territory administration," after the Military defeat of the Ottoman Empire.

Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

Which Palestinian citizens, the ones that had lived and worked the land for 2,500 years or the ones that came looking for work in the latter end of the 19c. The second lot had no homes in Palestine being itinerant casual farm workers who moved about and lived in tents. The land owners were mostly Jews who bought up any spare land they could once the laws changed to allow Jews to own land. Many muslim farmers saw a means of getting a thriving farm and the money to run it for the rest of their lifetime so sold the land to the Jews. They waited for the farm to become productive again and then ethnically cleansed the Jews from the farms, usually by just murdering them.

So what rights did the Jews of Palestine have in your version of events, as opposed to the rights of Islamic land thieves who had been there for less than a generation. Were was International Law to protect the Jews who were valid Palestinian citizens by right of land ownership.

 

[Phoenall]

I said: "Palestine's borders were defined by international, post war treaties." Which is true.

Rocco said: "As to be determined by the Allied Powers and the Mandatory." Which is also true.

Then I said: "And then they were, making your post irrelevant."

Shortly thereafter Palestine's international borders were defined. So, what was the purpose of his post?


The 1949 UN armistice agreements (the year following the end of the mandate) called Palestine Palestine many times. They referenced Palestine's international borders for determining the placement of armistice lines.

I can post links if you like.

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.

I know of no previous agreements.

The borders of Palestine are still to be set, read un res 242 and you see that they are not mentioned at all. What you are referring to above are ceasefire lines and not international borders. What you have referred to in other posts are International borders of countries outside of Palestine that delineate the PROPOSED borders that are yet to be agreed. Israel has complied with the details set out in UN res 242 by agreeing international borders with Egypt and Jordan, handing back control of land occupied during the 6 day war. Both nations then stated that they did not want the land of gaza or the west bank and that Israel could keep it. In effect handing the land to Israel on a plate. Now under International Law this means that Israel owns that land and could evict all the muslims if they so wished. But they decided to offer the Palestinian muslims a deal that would give them a nation and self determination, guess what the muslims turned it down

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

Maybe, and maybe not. The Oslo Accords (Article I) do make it a clear that the aim of the negotiations then and now are "leading to a permanent settlement based on Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973)." But the Oslo Accords (Article V) also make it clear that "Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbours, and other issues of common interest," are in the Permanent status negotiations.

I would like a link that proves that after the Mandate left, that Palestine's borders were still there.

Are you saying those borders are still there NOW ?? What are these borders?

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949
The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949
The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949
The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The borders of Palestine and Israel is a final status issue in the current peace negotiations.

I know of no previous agreements.

The borders of Palestine are still to be set, read un res 242 and you see that they are not mentioned at all. What you are referring to above are ceasefire lines and not international borders. What you have referred to in other posts are International borders of countries outside of Palestine that delineate the PROPOSED borders that are yet to be agreed. Israel has complied with the details set out in UN res 242 by agreeing international borders with Egypt and Jordan, handing back control of land occupied during the 6 day war. Both nations then stated that they did not want the land of gaza or the west bank and that Israel could keep it. In effect handing the land to Israel on a plate. Now under International Law this means that Israel owns that land and could evict all the muslims if they so wished. But they decided to offer the Palestinian muslims a deal that would give them a nation and self determination, guess what the muslims turned it down

(COMMENT)

PF Tinmore is correct, in addition to the borders set by the Treaties with Jordan and Egypt, there are still the 1949 Armistice Lines.

Having said that, there are permanent international boundaries recognized between Egypt (Article III - Item 3 of the Treaty of Peace between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State of Israel, 26 March 1979) and Jordan (Article 2 - Item 2 and Article 3 of the Treaty of Peace between The State of Israel and The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan 26 October 1994) as annotated on the map provided.

Armistice Lines can last forever. There is no limitation to them under international law. And there is no exception for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There is such a thing as a "Coerced Treaty;" (Page 32, Studies in International Law - linked) where freely given consent is not required. However, at the present time, no one seems to think this is a viable solution for the present. Since the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) (distinctively different from the Government of Palestine) do not subscribe to the Rule of Law governing the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States, it is unlikely that forced arbitration would secure a nonviolent outcome. Why do I mention this, because there are HoAP elements, within the Governing body of Palestine, that believe that Israel is a illegitimate government and that all the former Mandate of Palestine belongs to the State of Palestine.

Relative to the Armistice Lines, there is such a thing called the Tripartite Declaration Regarding the Armistice Borders: Statement by the Governments of the United States, The United Kingdom, and France, May 25, 1950 (1) in which they pledged to take action to prevent violations of the armistice lines.

At the current time, there is no substantive reason to believe that any current negotiated path will result in a favorable permanent settlement between the parties in dispute or settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

"...At the current time, there is no substantive reason to believe that any current negotiated path will result in a favorable permanent settlement between the parties in dispute or settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter..."

Sadly, this appears to be true.

Leaving the principals (and other interested stakeholders) with several options:

1. do nothing, hoping that the current state of affairs can hold

2. wait for a while then try again, re-cycling old parameters

3. break the logjam (with or without any particular regard for the Charter)

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.

While it is true that the Mandate for the UK Terminated and the UK left; the mandate did not terminate in its entirety. As far as the Mandate Territory and population is concerned, the power and authority of the Mandate merely changed hands from the UK to the UNPC as the successor government.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

You also stated:

Nothing changed. The Mandate, as an instrument of "occupied enemy territory administration," after the Military defeat of the Ottoman Empire.

Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, all of this has been linked in the last couple of days. You've seen it all.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

You also stated:



Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

(COMMENT)

What particular "clunkers" don't make sense?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, all of this has been linked in the last couple of days. You've seen it all.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.


(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.


(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

(COMMENT)

What particular "clunkers" don't make sense?

Most Respectfully,
R

...as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

Who said that and what does it mean?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, all of this has been linked in the last couple of days. You've seen it all.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.


(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.


(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

(COMMENT)

What particular "clunkers" don't make sense?

Most Respectfully,
R

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

What role did the UNPC play in the creation of Israel? What procedures laid down in resolution 181 did they follow? What land was allocated for Israel?

Do you have some documentation on what had transpired?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, good questions.

I know they had some meetings and filed some reports, but did they ever do anything?

Did they ever leave Palestine? If so, what were the terms of their disengagement?

(COMMENT)

While the original Mandatory (UK), came to the Middle East in full battle regalia, the UNPC did not. Under the terms of the organization and implementation process, the UNPC was to organize and insure that each party accepting the Steps Preparatory to Independence recruited an armed militia from the indigenous residents. The declaration of independence by the Jewish State (mid-might 14-15 May 1948) marked the completion of those steps (the Jewish Agency being the only entity accepting). The immediate invasion of the Arab League forces (15 May) interrupted the UNPC (a UN Security Council Arm) from further work withdrew on 17-18 May in favor of the UN Armistice Commission (a UN Security Council Arm), as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

You also stated:



Then isn't the UNPC obligated under international law to protect the rights and welfare of the Palestinian citizens?

(COMMENT)

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

Tinmore asking others to post links to back up their statements; Now THAT'S funny

I'm sure he's posted links for all his statements, you just choose to ignore them or pretend he didn't post it. And even when he does post a link to back up his statement, you STILL try to challenge him.

You should be thankful that he even bothers responding to you. Rocco obviously spends time on his posts by making sure he is very clear about his points, and always backs up the statements that require links.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, these are my words, and not a direct quote:

...as the conflict caused the Resolution 181(II) boundaries to devolve under the pressure of armed conflict.

Who said that and what does it mean?

(OBSERVATION)

On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

The fighting was halted after several weeks, under a four-week truce called for by the Security Council on 29 May 1948. The truce went into effect on 11 June and was supervised by the United Nations Mediator with the assistance of a group of international military observers, which came to be known as the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). Despite the efforts of the Mediator, no agreement could be reached on an extension of the truce, and fighting broke out again on 8 July.

On 15 July 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace. It ordered a ceasefire and declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. In accordance with the resolution, a second truce came into force. By that time, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza district and the West Bank of the Jordan River (which included East Jerusalem, with its walled Old City). More fighting took place in October 1948 and March 1949, during which Israel took over other areas, some of which had been allotted to the Arab State. In 1950, Jordan brought the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, formally under its jurisdiction pending a solution to the problem.

SOURCE: The Question of Palestine and the United Nations

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, all of this has been linked in the last couple of days. You've seen it all.

Do you have links to back up your post. I see some clunkers in there that do not make sense.

(COMMENT)

What particular "clunkers" don't make sense?

Most Respectfully,
R

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

What role did the UNPC play in the creation of Israel? What procedures laid down in resolution 181 did they follow? What land was allocated for Israel?

Do you have some documentation on what had transpired?

Stop deflecting

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a very tall order, but I'll try.

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

What role did the UNPC play in the creation of Israel? What procedures laid down in resolution 181 did they follow? What land was allocated for Israel?

Do you have some documentation on what had transpired?

(COMMENT & REFERENCES)

The Record: There are 76 Agenda and 76 Summaries or 152 records in all.

E. DAILY AGENDA OF THE UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION A/AC.21/Agenda/

F. SUMMARY RECORDS OF THE UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION
A/AC.21/SR./​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a very tall order, but I'll try.

Under Paragraph 8 of the resolution, the UNPC was to insure that each State (Jewish and Arab) had a armed militia to assist in the maintenance of security during the implementation of their independence. The external interference of the Armed Attack by the Arab League Armies interrupted that process.

What role did the UNPC play in the creation of Israel? What procedures laid down in resolution 181 did they follow? What land was allocated for Israel?

Do you have some documentation on what had transpired?

(COMMENT & REFERENCES)

The Record: There are 76 Agenda and 76 Summaries or 152 records in all.

E. DAILY AGENDA OF THE UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION A/AC.21/Agenda/

F. SUMMARY RECORDS OF THE UNITED NATIONS PALESTINE COMMISSION
A/AC.21/SR./​

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course that does not answer my questions.

You stated that the mandate was handed to the UNPC. According to your link that is not true.

On 17 April, the Security Council called for the cessation of all military and paramilitary activities in Palestine, and on 23 April it established a Truce Commission to supervise and help bring about a ceasefire. For its part, the General Assembly relieved the Palestine Commission of its responsibilities and decided to appoint a mediator charged with promoting a peaceful settlement in cooperation with the Truce Commission.

http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/DPI2499.pdf

So your post was based on false premise.