I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

You are the one getting this backward.

What land were the "Arabs" trying to acquire by force?

The land covered by the Palestinian mandate

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need to read up on the conflict.

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

Because they were too late to submit the declaration after Israel had declared itself first. You cant claim land that is already a sovereign nations as yours

I already answered that.

You must have missed it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land covered by the Palestinian mandate

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

I already answered that too.

You must have missed it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The land covered by the Palestinian mandate

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Phoenall]

A hundred places most of which I did not bookmark.

Do you have something more specific?

Do you use articles from all sides, or do you only use those that support your actual POV and RACISM

Look at my last link.

Did you bother to read it properly, as it says the exact opposite to what you believe about Palestine being a nation. It also states that the muslims are intent on gaining Israel through force and thumbing their noses at the UN charter. It also details the acquisition of land by force by Jordan that was allowed to get away with. Then it details the in fighting of the arab armies and how Jordan tried to use threats to steal part of Isreali land. On top of this the arab league formed a "Palestinian government" with no Palestinians involved . In fact the Palestinians were forced by Jordan to deny the arab league "Palestinian government". Also the name Palestine was abandoned by the muslims of the west bank and was changed to 'West Bank of the Jordanian Hashemite Kingdom'.
And how it was the inability of the arab league to work together and reach mutual decisions that led to the failure of the Palestinians getting their own nation.

As I said did you bother to read the link, or did you just read the headline and decided that it supported your RACIST POV

 

[Phoenall]

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

Because they were too late to submit the declaration after Israel had declared itself first. You cant claim land that is already a sovereign nations as yours

I already answered that.

You must have missed it.

No you did not, you gave an answer to something completely different. The arab league could not claim land by force under the UN charter, which you don't like because it puts both sides on an equal footing.

 

[Phoenall]

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

I already answered that too.

You must have missed it.

Maybe you forgot to press return, or did not wake up and type it into your computer.
But as always when faced by the harsh reality you deflect and go of at a tangent

 

[Phoenall]

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

Do you have a link for that?

Try the many that have been posted in the past, even the ones you posted that show Palestine to be an undefined area that covers many nations in the M.E

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yet you support the filistans in their endeavours along those lines, they publicly proclaim that they will not stop until Israel is destroyed and the Jews killed.

The Palestinians never attempted to acquire land by force.

They have done nothing else but try since 630CE, now the world is sick of their violence and is saying enough. 1948 they invaded Israel in an attempt at acquiring that land by force, 1967 they did the same thing and again in 1973. On top of this there are constant terrorist attacks that are attempts to acquire land by the use of force.

The Palestinians were at home. Where was this invasion of Israel you are talking about?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

Do you have a link for that?

Try the many that have been posted in the past, even the ones you posted that show Palestine to be an undefined area that covers many nations in the M.E

Can you link to one of my posts that show that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because they were too late to submit the declaration after Israel had declared itself first. You cant claim land that is already a sovereign nations as yours

I already answered that.

You must have missed it.

No you did not, you gave an answer to something completely different. The arab league could not claim land by force under the UN charter, which you don't like because it puts both sides on an equal footing.

What land was the Arab League trying to claim?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because that was the name of the area covered by the mandate, it could not be called the Syrian mandate or the Iraqi mandate as both were just a small part of the area. So the maps showed a large undefined area covering most of the land area already named as Palestine that fitted the area under mandate.
IT WAS NOT BECAUSE THE NATION OF PALESTINE EXISTED AND TOOK IN MOST OF THE OTHER NATIONS LAND MASS AS YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE.
Palestine as a nation has never existed and it is very doubtful that it ever will, even the arab league is against the formation of a Palestinian nation,

I already answered that too.

You must have missed it.

Maybe you forgot to press return, or did not wake up and type it into your computer.
But as always when faced by the harsh reality you deflect and go of at a tangent

I posted clear information, with link, that addressed that question.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Because they were too late to submit the declaration after Israel had declared itself first. You cant claim land that is already a sovereign nations as yours

I already answered that.

You must have missed it.

No you did not, you gave an answer to something completely different. The arab league could not claim land by force under the UN charter, which you don't like because it puts both sides on an equal footing.

I already showed that the Palestinian declaration did encroach on anyone else's territory.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinians never attempted to acquire land by force.

They have done nothing else but try since 630CE, now the world is sick of their violence and is saying enough. 1948 they invaded Israel in an attempt at acquiring that land by force, 1967 they did the same thing and again in 1973. On top of this there are constant terrorist attacks that are attempts to acquire land by the use of force.

The Palestinians were at home. Where was this invasion of Israel you are talking about?

The sovereign nation of Israel granted by UN resolution and declared by the Jews in May 1948. Accepted by all the civilised nations of the world and the UN as set in stone and according to the UN charter.

Which Palestinians are you referencing, the ones who had been called that for nearly 2,000 years or the ones who would steal the name in 1964 ?

 

[Phoenall]

I already answered that too.

You must have missed it.

Maybe you forgot to press return, or did not wake up and type it into your computer.
But as always when faced by the harsh reality you deflect and go of at a tangent

I posted clear information, with link, that addressed that question.

Wrong you posted HOGWASH and DEFLECTION rather than face the facts and reality that Palestine was never a nation, and had never been recognised as a nation by anyone .

 

[Phoenall]

I already answered that.

You must have missed it.

No you did not, you gave an answer to something completely different. The arab league could not claim land by force under the UN charter, which you don't like because it puts both sides on an equal footing.

I already showed that the Palestinian declaration did encroach on anyone else's territory.

So were was the nation of Israel in all this, what provision did the arab league and its minions make for Israel that had been granted the same status as Syria, Iraq, iran, Lebanon and trans Jordan by the same entity and in the same manner ?

 

[Phoenall]

Do you have a link for that?

Try the many that have been posted in the past, even the ones you posted that show Palestine to be an undefined area that covers many nations in the M.E

Can you link to one of my posts that show that?

NO you made the post and you are now trying to get out of trouble. But here is a definitive article that completely destroys your claims, care to comment

Palestine Boundaries 1833–1947 - Cambridge Archive Editions

In Ottoman times, no political entity called Palestine existed. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of the First World War, European boundary makers began to take greater interest in defining territorial limits for Palestine. Only since the 1920s has Palestine had formally delimited boundaries, though these have remained subject to repeated change and a source of bitter dispute. so not set in stone ever

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you use articles from all sides, or do you only use those that support your actual POV and RACISM

Look at my last link.

Did you bother to read it properly, as it says the exact opposite to what you believe about Palestine being a nation. It also states that the muslims are intent on gaining Israel through force and thumbing their noses at the UN charter. It also details the acquisition of land by force by Jordan that was allowed to get away with. Then it details the in fighting of the arab armies and how Jordan tried to use threats to steal part of Isreali land. On top of this the arab league formed a "Palestinian government" with no Palestinians involved . In fact the Palestinians were forced by Jordan to deny the arab league "Palestinian government". Also the name Palestine was abandoned by the muslims of the west bank and was changed to 'West Bank of the Jordanian Hashemite Kingdom'.
And how it was the inability of the arab league to work together and reach mutual decisions that led to the failure of the Palestinians getting their own nation.

As I said did you bother to read the link, or did you just read the headline and decided that it supported your RACIST POV

It also details the acquisition of land by force by Jordan that was allowed to get away with. Then it details the in fighting of the arab armies and how Jordan tried to use threats to steal part of Isreali land.

What this article does not mention was that the West bank was promised to Jordan if it would not attack Israel in the upcoming 1948 war.

On 17 November, twelve days before the UN met to decide the fate of Palestine, Golda Meir, representing the Jewish Agency in Moshe Sharett's absence, secretly met witk King Abdullah in Naharayim, on the river Jordan, and reached an agreement to divide Palestine between the Zionists and Abdullah.

Golda Meir meets King Abdullah, to agree to divide Palestine between the Zionists and Abdullah

Whose land was Jordan taking by force?

 

[Kondor3]

What difference does any of this make?

In 1948, the Jews of Palestine established a nation-state, comprised of all the lands that the Jews of Palestine then controlled, and adding some parcels of land that they took from the Muslims of Palestine in the 1947-1948 timeframe.

Any land controlled by the Jews of Palestine, as of 14-May-1948, the date of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, may be considered the lands and the borders of the new State of Israel, both de facto and de jure.

Victory on the battlefield - defined, in this case, by holding-out against the combined assault of five (5) Muslim neighbor nation-states - and the survival of the infant nation-state of Israel - gave substance to this principle.

The declarations of the provisional rump Palestinian government of those early years - eventually dissolved by the Arabs themselves - and the declarations of the Arab League - and the declarations of individual Muslim nation-state neighbors - held that the Muslims intended to destroy the new State of Israel and to recover all of the lands under its control and return them to Muslim control, after dealing with the Jewish population.

One need do no more than dredge-up one of those old declarations, referencing 'all of Palestine' (meaning the including of lands then comprising the new State of Israel), and then find tactical maps showing the lands controlled by the Jews as of a given point in time [1948, 1967, whatever], to demonstrate in geographical terms, the intentions of the Muslims.

What difference does any of this make?

Title-deed to the land has changed hands.

Written in blood.

Blood, and, more importantly, victory on the battlefield, changes everything.

The Palestinians have been defeated.

They now exist only at the whim and pleasure of the Israelis, who could destroy them utterly any time they wished, so long as they were prepared for an adverse reaction beyond their borders.

Thus, the Israelis define victory.

Thus, the rest of the world defines defeat.

Thus, the Palestinians define a temporary setback.

Time will tell us which of those perspectives is the most rational and sane.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What difference does any of this make?

In 1948, the Jews of Palestine established a nation-state, comprised of all the lands that the Jews of Palestine then controlled, and adding some parcels of land that they took from the Muslims of Palestine in the 1947-1948 timeframe.

Any land controlled by the Jews of Palestine, as of 14-May-1948, the date of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, may be considered the lands and the borders of the new State of Israel, both de facto and de jure.

Victory on the battlefield - defined, in this case, by holding-out against the combined assault of five (5) Muslim neighbor nation-states - and the survival of the infant nation-state of Israel - gave substance to this principle.

The declarations of the provisional rump Palestinian government of those early years - eventually dissolved by the Arabs themselves - and the declarations of the Arab League - and the declarations of individual Muslim nation-state neighbors - held that the Muslims intended to destroy the new State of Israel and to recover all of the lands under its control and return them to Muslim control, after dealing with the Jewish population.

One need do no more than dredge-up one of those old declarations, referencing 'all of Palestine' (meaning the including of lands then comprising the new State of Israel), and then find tactical maps showing the lands controlled by the Jews as of a given point in time [1948, 1967, whatever], to demonstrate in geographical terms, the intentions of the Muslims.

What difference does any of this make?

Title-deed to the land has changed hands.

Written in blood.

Blood, and, more importantly, victory on the battlefield, changes everything.

The Palestinians have been defeated.

They now exist only at the whim and pleasure of the Israelis, who could destroy them utterly any time they wished, so long as they were prepared for an adverse reaction beyond their borders.

Thus, the Israelis define victory.

Thus, the rest of the world defines defeat.

Thus, the Palestinians define a temporary setback.

Time will tell us which of those perspectives is the most rational and sane.

Any land controlled by the Jews of Palestine, as of 14-May-1948, the date of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, may be considered the lands and the borders of the new State of Israel, both de facto and de jure.

Do you have a link to that de jure part?