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[MHunterB]

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OH, like he's an 'unbiased' /'objective' source! He's not a 'historian' but an East German 'reporter'.....

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

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OH, like he's an 'unbiased' /'objective' source! He's not a 'historian' but an East German 'reporter'.....

Are you gonna spoof that your zionist sources are unbiased...sides, Germans are ok these days or hadnt you heard, since 1945

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

This is always confusing to some. While it is true that a GA Resolution, such as GA/RES/181(II) is non-binding, a Security Council action is binding. Pursuant to Section "A" in subparagraph "(a)" the General Assembly requested the UN Security Council to "implement" the resolution.

"(a) The Security Council take the necessary measures as provided for in the plan for its implementation;"​

Article 25
The Members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter.

SOURCE: CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND STATUTE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE

How can you implement something that does not exist, 181 was not a command but a suggestion of intent. The UN was never formed to issue commands only to inform and suggest, which is what it has done since its inception. It suggests that UN member states combine forces and implement its suggestions as in the attacks on Iraq and afgahnistan. The muslims know this and have played on it many times in the past when they have asked UN forces to leave their country or face armed attack.

(COMMENT)

Paragraph 14, Section B, Part I, of UN GA Resolution 181(II) established the UN Palestine Commission which reports to the UN Security Council.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.
The Commission shall render periodic monthly progress reports, or more frequently if desirable, to the Security Council.

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

3. On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Together, with the UK Memo that names the UN Palestine Commission as the Successor Government, that I discuss in Posting #298, the implementation process begins as "Steps Preparatory to Independence."

Please take note that the Implementation Meetings started in January 1948. UN Palestine Commission rendered its First Monthly Progress Report to the Security Council on 29 January 1948.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sally]

Perhaps, Pbel, you should have your good friend Abbas take a look at Edwin Black and what he has to say.

EDWIN BLACK ON C-SPAN: THE FARHUD: THE ROOTS OF THE ARAB-NAZI ALLIANCE DURING WWII??. |

Cooperation with the Nazi Intelligence Services

During the first days of fascist domination in Germany, the Zionists held a direct line to the fascist repression apparatus which developed into loose collaboration between the Zionist leadership and the terror organizations of the Nazi Reich (the Gestapo, SS, etc). Before 1933, the Zionist official, Leo Plaut, already "had a connection" with the political police and with the police official Oberregierungsrat Rudolf Diels (supposedly a schoolfriend of Plaut). When Diels was first appointed chief of the secret police in 1933, he retained his connection with Plaut. "Indeed Plaut even had the secret telephone number of Diels and could call him anytime."58 One can only speculate about the details of these contacts because the documents regarding them are kept under lock and key at the Yad-Vashem archives in Jerusalem. However, it is to be supposed that it was through these contacts that a meeting was arranged between the then Prussian Prime Minister Hermann Goering (later sentenced to death by the Nuremberg International Tribunal as a war criminal) and the leaders of German Jewish organizations. The meeting took place on March 26, 1933. Among the representatives of the Zionists taking part was the official, Kurt Blumenfeld, but he was silent about this episode in his memoirs.59

https://workspaces.acrobat.com/app.html#d=kvXmy4Qvmo1Cfwo5qYbT5A

Boo hoo, it looks like we have another poster here who is angry that the Jews supplied the Nazis with some equipment in exchange for some Jews. No doubt this poster also would have like to have seen those Jews sent to the concentration camps. Maybe he would be a good candidate to join the Golden Dawn group in Greece. They need people like him.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are 180 degrees out of alignment.

Israel won her independence despite resolution 181. You can't go back to the prepossessed borders. West bank and Gaza were also won, but Israel gave up the gaza for the sake of peace, and has gotten no peace from gaza.
Israel and the PA are in negotiations for what will be a palestinian state.
Arabs did not want to give the palestinians a state, but Israel does.
Amazing how palestinians reject 181 but want a state based on ceasefire lines after they lost the war, and tinman wants to go back to 181 lines.

It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

(COMMENT)

You are absolutely right. "It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force." The successor government was designated as the UNPC. And it was the Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League that first threatened to use force, and then openly attacked the Successor Government and the Implemented Partition by the UNPC that formed the State of Israel.

Yes you are right in that:

It is illegal for the "Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" acquire land through the threat "against the UN, UNPC, the UNPC Partition" and the use of force by the ""Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" to defy the judgement and implementation of the General Assembly as implemented through the Security Council by the UNPC.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are the one getting this backward.

What land were the "Arabs" trying to acquire by force?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel won her independence despite resolution 181. You can't go back to the prepossessed borders. West bank and Gaza were also won, but Israel gave up the gaza for the sake of peace, and has gotten no peace from gaza.
Israel and the PA are in negotiations for what will be a palestinian state.
Arabs did not want to give the palestinians a state, but Israel does.
Amazing how palestinians reject 181 but want a state based on ceasefire lines after they lost the war, and tinman wants to go back to 181 lines.

It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Yet you support the filistans in their endeavours along those lines, they publicly proclaim that they will not stop until Israel is destroyed and the Jews killed.

The Palestinians never attempted to acquire land by force.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks??

You need to read up on the conflict.

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

 

[toastman]

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks??

You need to read up on the conflict.

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

???

This is where you got you information online about the war?

I asked you for a link that is solely or mainly about the war, with details.
I've read several, and Wiki has a lot of detail, but some people consider it a viable source

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need to read up on the conflict.

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

???

This is where you got you information online about the war?

I asked you for a link that is solely or mainly about the war, with details.
I've read several, and Wiki has a lot of detail, but some people consider it a viable source

Let's narrow this down. What do I say about the war that you question?

 

[toastman]

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

???

This is where you got you information online about the war?

I asked you for a link that is solely or mainly about the war, with details.
I've read several, and Wiki has a lot of detail, but some people consider it a viable source

Let's narrow this down. What do I say about the war that you question?

You don't understand, it's because I've questioned so many things about what you say concerning the war that I ask for your link. So far I get, as you like to say, a song and dance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

???

This is where you got you information online about the war?

I asked you for a link that is solely or mainly about the war, with details.
I've read several, and Wiki has a lot of detail, but some people consider it a viable source

Let's narrow this down. What do I say about the war that you question?

You don't understand, it's because I've questioned so many things about what you say concerning the war that I ask for your link. So far I get, as you like to say, a song and dance.

I have posted a lot of linked material on this thread. What did I miss?

 

[toastman]

All I want is a link for where you get your information concerning the war. If you don't have one, then fine. I'm not gonna beg you for it lol

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are 180 degrees out of alignment.

It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

(COMMENT)

You are absolutely right. "It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force." The successor government was designated as the UNPC. And it was the Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League that first threatened to use force, and then openly attacked the Successor Government and the Implemented Partition by the UNPC that formed the State of Israel.

Yes you are right in that:

It is illegal for the "Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" acquire land through the threat "against the UN, UNPC, the UNPC Partition" and the use of force by the ""Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" to defy the judgement and implementation of the General Assembly as implemented through the Security Council by the UNPC.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are the one getting this backward.

What land were the "Arabs" trying to acquire by force?

The land covered by the Palestinian mandate

 

[P F Tinmore]

All I want is a link for where you get your information concerning the war. If you don't have one, then fine. I'm not gonna beg you for it lol

A hundred places most of which I did not bookmark.

Do you have something more specific?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, you are 180 degrees out of alignment.


(COMMENT)

You are absolutely right. "It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force." The successor government was designated as the UNPC. And it was the Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League that first threatened to use force, and then openly attacked the Successor Government and the Implemented Partition by the UNPC that formed the State of Israel.

Yes you are right in that:

It is illegal for the "Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" acquire land through the threat "against the UN, UNPC, the UNPC Partition" and the use of force by the ""Arab Higher Committee and the Armies of the Arab League" to defy the judgement and implementation of the General Assembly as implemented through the Security Council by the UNPC.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are the one getting this backward.

What land were the "Arabs" trying to acquire by force?

The land covered by the Palestinian mandate

Hmmm, why was it called the Palestine mandate?

 

[Phoenall]

It is illegal to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

Yet you support the filistans in their endeavours along those lines, they publicly proclaim that they will not stop until Israel is destroyed and the Jews killed.

The Palestinians never attempted to acquire land by force.

They have done nothing else but try since 630CE, now the world is sick of their violence and is saying enough. 1948 they invaded Israel in an attempt at acquiring that land by force, 1967 they did the same thing and again in 1973. On top of this there are constant terrorist attacks that are attempts to acquire land by the use of force.

 

[Phoenall]

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks??

You need to read up on the conflict.

Why Was 'Independent Palestine' Never Created in 1948?- Zvi Elpeleg

Because they were too late to submit the declaration after Israel had declared itself first. You cant claim land that is already a sovereign nations as yours

 

[Phoenall]

Let's narrow this down. What do I say about the war that you question?

You don't understand, it's because I've questioned so many things about what you say concerning the war that I ask for your link. So far I get, as you like to say, a song and dance.

I have posted a lot of linked material on this thread. What did I miss?

Only the truth and reality.

 

[Phoenall]

All I want is a link for where you get your information concerning the war. If you don't have one, then fine. I'm not gonna beg you for it lol

A hundred places most of which I did not bookmark.

Do you have something more specific?

Do you use articles from all sides, or do you only use those that support your actual POV and RACISM

 

[P F Tinmore]

All I want is a link for where you get your information concerning the war. If you don't have one, then fine. I'm not gonna beg you for it lol

A hundred places most of which I did not bookmark.

Do you have something more specific?

Do you use articles from all sides, or do you only use those that support your actual POV and RACISM

Look at my last link.