I will not Bow!

[toastman]

Of course that is not true.

A treaty between Egypt and the Ottoman Empire established an international border between the two in 1906. This international border was retained when Palestine was created out of the defunct Ottoman Empire.

The British suggestion of separating Transjordan from Palestine was approved by the League of Nations in 1922 setting the eastern international border of Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne Established the International border between Syria (and Lebanon) and Palestine in 1923.

You cant transfer a treaty made between two nations to suit your POV, so stop clutching at straws

Wrong as trans Jordan was still part of Palestine.

Does not matter as Palestine was never a nation to have any borders, and you cant transfer borders to a non existing entity. So until filistan comes into existence legally it cant have any international borders, and this means that they MUST sit down and talk with Israel, Jordan, Egypt and Syria to set their borders to be set in stone.

Who told you that? You need a better source.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

Article 30 is of a great significance. It constituted a declaration of existing international law and the standard practice of states. This was despite the absence of a definite international law rule of state succession under which the nationals of predecessor state could ipso facto acquire the nationality of the successor.129 “As a rule, however, States have conferred their nationality on the former nationals of the predecessor State.”130 In practice, almost all peace treaties concluded between the Allies and other states at the end of World War I embodied nationality provisions similar to those of the Treaty of Lausanne. The inhabitants of Palestine, as the successors of this territory, henceforth acquired Palestinian nationality even if there was no treaty with Turkey.131

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Ummmm, what did you prove exactly ?

 

[MHunterB]

that ol' worm keeps right on turning though, don't it?

Academy names Palestine as place of origin for 'Omar' nomination | Fox News

time and tide and the tick...tick...tick.

*yawn*

 

[dreolin]

that ol' worm keeps right on turning though, don't it?

Academy names Palestine as place of origin for 'Omar' nomination | Fox News

time and tide and the tick...tick...tick.

*yawn*

<wipes the spittle from your face>

 

[Kondor3]

That ol' worm keeps right on turning though, don't it?

Academy names Palestine as place of origin for 'Omar' nomination | Fox News

Time and Tide and the Tick...Tick...Tick.

That and $3.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks...

 

[Kondor3]

None of that ancient 'borders' crap means anything...

This is what determines the borders over there...

The borders are what the Israelis SAY they are...

 

[toastman]

None of that ancient 'borders' crap means anything...

This is what determines the borders over there...

The borders are what the Israelis SAY they are...

No need, Israel already has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan, which has been proven over and over and over.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was

B. THE JEWISH STATE

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.​

SUBJECT: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

The difference between what was, and what is today, is a matter of military outcomes initiated through the external interference of the 5 Arab Armies taking aggressive action.

While the border arrangements of 15 May 1948 may be overtaken by events (several Arab initiated wars), and the occupation through several decades by Egypt, Jordan and Israel, even the Palestinians (in more lucid moments) recognizes the legitimacy.

Today, this argument posed by PF Tinmore are irrelevant. It has no basis in reality, and is not the fundamental obstruction to peace. Already, the framework argument is over the 1967 Borders.

Again, we are well past this 1948 lack of borders argument. It is now about the security of the state from the military external interference historically posed by Arab aggressive behaviors demonstrated in the past; and the demonstrated past practice of terrorist behaviors from Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was

B. THE JEWISH STATE

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.​

SUBJECT: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.

The difference between what was, and what is today, is a matter of military outcomes initiated through the external interference of the 5 Arab Armies taking aggressive action.

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

While the border arrangements of 15 May 1948 may be overtaken by events (several Arab initiated wars), and the occupation through several decades by Egypt, Jordan and Israel, even the Palestinians (in more lucid moments) recognizes the legitimacy.

What border arrangements?

Today, this argument posed by PF Tinmore are irrelevant. It has no basis in reality, and is not the fundamental obstruction to peace. Already, the framework argument is over the 1967 Borders.

Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?

Again, we are well past this 1948 lack of borders argument. It is now about the security of the state from the military external interference historically posed by Arab aggressive behaviors demonstrated in the past; and the demonstrated past practice of terrorist behaviors from Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was

B. THE JEWISH STATE

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.​

SUBJECT: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?

Again, we are well past this 1948 lack of borders argument. It is now about the security of the state from the military external interference historically posed by Arab aggressive behaviors demonstrated in the past; and the demonstrated past practice of terrorist behaviors from Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

 

[toastman]

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence

Link ?? And how could they violate it if you even said yourself it wasn't implemented

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was



PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

I have never complained about foreign intervention.

You have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence

Link ?? And how could they violate it if you even said yourself it wasn't implemented

Israel played the resolution 181 card in an attempt at obtaining legitimacy but never had any intention of complying with it.

 

[toastman]

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

I have never complained about foreign intervention.

You have a reading comprehension problem.

Sure you do, but only when it involves Jews/Israelis. You have a bullshitiing problem

Also, you didn't address everything I asked in the post.

 

[toastman]

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence

Link ?? And how could they violate it if you even said yourself it wasn't implemented

Israel played the resolution 181 card in an attempt at obtaining legitimacy but never had any intention of complying with it.

And once gain, you not only failed to answer my question, but you provided ZERO evidence at all.

BTW, the reason I ask YOU to back up your claims so often is because you always make things up, and try to pass them off as facts

 

[P F Tinmore]

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

I have never complained about foreign intervention.

You have a reading comprehension problem.

Sure you do, but only when it involves Jews/Israelis. You have a bullshitiing problem

Also, you didn't address everything I asked in the post.

Link to even one of my posts complaining about foreign intervention.

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was



PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks??

You need to read up on the conflict.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence

Link ?? And how could they violate it if you even said yourself it wasn't implemented

Israel played the resolution 181 card in an attempt at obtaining legitimacy but never had any intention of complying with it.

And once gain, you not only failed to answer my question, but you provided ZERO evidence at all.

BTW, the reason I ask YOU to back up your claims so often is because you always make things up, and try to pass them off as facts

I always back up my claims. You just don't understand my posts.

 

[RoccoR]

PF Tinmore, et al,

You are re-writing history.

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was

B. THE JEWISH STATE

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.​

SUBJECT: A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

(COMMENT)

You know this is not true. The UN even published the formal implementation notice for public consumption.

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

You should also note that there was a hand-off to the Successor Government (UNPC): Very IMPORTANT!

The Government of the United Kingdom, in a memorandum on the "Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate", has advised the United Nations Palestine Commission that so fas the Mandatory Power is concerned the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine after 15 May 1948.

The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:

"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.

"Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.​

"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly.

"His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."​

The Palestine Commission has adopted the following statement of policy with respect to the continuity of employment of present employees of the Mandatory administration in Palestine, and has requested the Mandatory Power to publish the statement or circulate it to all employees of the present Government in Palestine:

"The United Nations Palestine Commission, being under the terms of the resolution of the General Assembly responsible for the administration of Palestine immediately following the termination of the Mandate, hereby calls upon all present employees of the Palestine administration to continue their service with the successor authority in Palestine when the British Mandate is terminated. It is the policy of the United Nations Palestine commission as the successor authority to maintain services on the same terms and with the same rights for employees as those enjoyed under the Mandatory Government. The Commission requests all present employees of the Palestine Administration to inform at the earliest possible date, the Mandatory Government for communication to the Commission, whether they would be willing to remain in the service of the successor administration of Palestine on such terms."​

The next meeting of the Commission will be on Monday, March 1, at 3 P.M.

SOURCE: PAL/138 27 February 1948

The UNPC was the implementing agency for the UNSC, not the Mandatory (UK).

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.

(COMMENT)

This is more nonsense. The US was the very first country to recognize the State of Israel with the borders under the Resolution. But because of the outbreak of hostilities and the intervention of hostile Arab Forces, the ensuing military confrontation changed the areas of control.

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

(COMMENT)

Jordan had been infiltrating and prepositioning the Arab Legion for months before hand. It was an open secret. The "assistance" justification was merely subterfuge:

9. The main facts controlling the security situation in Palestine today are the following:

a. Organized effect by strong Arab elements inside and outside Palestine to prevent the implementation of the Assembly&#8217;s plan of partition and to thwart its objectives by threats and acts of violence, including armed incursions into Palestinian territory.

b. Certain elements of the Jewish community in Palestine continue to commit irresponsible acts of violence which worsen the security situation, although that Community is generally in support of the recommendations of the Assembly.

c. The added complication created by the fact that the Mandatory Power, which remains responsible for law and order in Palestine until the termination of the Mandate, is engaged in the liquidation of its administration and preparing for the evacuation of its troops.​

SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948

The entire purpose of the invasion by the 5 Arab Armies was to carry out the threats made by the Arab Higher Committee and "genocide" (see A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948).

What border arrangements?

Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?

(COMMENT)

Well as far as the "trumps international law" law is concerned, I suggest you look at the Palestinian Declaration of Independence and the Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General. In both cases, the PLO "adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II)." In fact, the Palestinian Declaration of Independence says in part:

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

Again, we are well past this 1948 lack of borders argument. It is now about the security of the state from the military external interference historically posed by Arab aggressive behaviors demonstrated in the past; and the demonstrated past practice of terrorist behaviors from Hostile Arab Palestinian.

Hogwash.

(COMMENT)

I believe there were three war and two intafada's; with the Palestinians intimidating the current Peace Process now, by threatening another.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was



PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

>>“The [British] Government of Palestine fear that strife in Palestine will be greatly intensified when the Mandate is terminated, and that the international status of the United Nations Commission will mean little or nothing to the Arabs in Palestine, to whom the killing of Jews now transcends all other considerations.
Thus, the Commission will be faced with the problem of how to avert certain
bloodshed on a very much wider scale than prevails at present. ... The Arabs have
made it quite clear and have told the Palestine government that they do not
propose to cooperate or to assist the Commission, and that, far from it, they
propose to attack and impede its work in every possible way. We have no reason
to suppose that they do not mean what they say.”2<<

 

[aris2chat]

et al,

Don't get entangled with this border issue of that PF Tinmore raises. He knows quite well that the boundary was



PF Tinmore knows that Israel, in the formal notification, specifically cited the implementation under the 1947 Resolution.

There are a few reasons why this statement is not true.

There was no resolution 181. Britain (the mandate) would not implement it without Palestinian approval. Neither would the Security Council. The US withdrew its support and was offering an alternate proposal. Then the 1948 war broke out making the whole proposal moot.

Israel violated several major parts of the resolution before it claimed independence.

Israel never claimed or recognize the resolution's proposed borders. Nobody else recognized them either.


The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.


What border arrangements?


Are you saying that so called reality trumps international law?


Hogwash.

Most Respectfully,
R

The "5 Arab Armies" entered Palestine to assist the Palestinians. Assistance is not illegal. Interference is.

Why did you put the 5 Arab armies in quotation marks?? They came to assist the Palestinians by destroying a newly founded state. That's what you call assistance ?? And yes that was interference. Who invited them ? You always complain about foreign intervention, but when the Arabs do it, it's fine. Your interpretation of the 1948 war is massive hogwash. You need to stop changing history if you want to be taken seriously. Also, where did you read about the 1948 war?? Show me a link.


Hogwash

Yes, that seems to be your answer to Roccos comments when you know hes right and you have no argument. I challenge you to tell me what he said that was wrong (what you called hogwash)

>>“The [British] Government of Palestine fear that strife in Palestine will be greatly intensified when the Mandate is terminated, and that the international status of the United Nations Commission will mean little or nothing to the Arabs in Palestine, to whom the killing of Jews now transcends all other considerations.
Thus, the Commission will be faced with the problem of how to avert certain
bloodshed on a very much wider scale than prevails at present. ... The Arabs have
made it quite clear and have told the Palestine government that they do not
propose to cooperate or to assist the Commission, and that, far from it, they
propose to attack and impede its work in every possible way. We have no reason
to suppose that they do not mean what they say.”[URL="http://www.mefacts.com/cached.asp?x_id=10063"]2[/URL]<<