I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

I do. I fully support and promote BDS as a peaceful solution.

What are you doing for peace? What peace initiatives do you support?

There ya go again! BDS is not defensive.It's another provocation. I'm inclined to believe that you are just another two-bit tinhorn warmonger.

Almost forgot. I support peace thru superior firepower. How 'bout them apples?

Good point.

The Palestine side promotes peace, justice, and equality in compliance with international law.

The Israeli side promotes death and ethnic cleansing in violation of international law.

That tells us something.

 

[toastman]

there ya go again! Bds is not defensive.it's another provocation. I'm inclined to believe that you are just another two-bit tinhorn warmonger.

almost forgot. I support peace thru superior firepower. How 'bout them apples?

good point.

The palestine side promotes peace, justice, and equality in compliance with international law.

The israeli side promotes death and ethnic cleansing in violation of international law.

That tells us something.

lol!!

 

[Phoenall]

Sabotage operations are lawful combat activities provided they are
carried out by lawful combatants and against legitimate military targets.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

And as you stated yesterday the P.A. has no standing army, so the attacks are illegal terrorism

Oh boy, so now you are playing the terrorist card.

Am I or am I stating the reality of the situation, you made the claim that the P.A. has no standing army so any action must be terrorist in nature. It is you playing the terrorism card to escape from the hole you have dug yourself.

 

[Indeependent]

There ya go again! BDS is not defensive.It's another provocation. I'm inclined to believe that you are just another two-bit tinhorn warmonger.

Almost forgot. I support peace thru superior firepower. How 'bout them apples?

Good point.

The Palestine side promotes peace, justice, and equality in compliance with international law.

The Israeli side promotes death and ethnic cleansing in violation of international law.

That tells us something.

Your posts tells us you are delusional and subscribe to way too many Muslim Propaganda web sites.

Your postings over the last 48 hours have become "over the edge" bizarre.
Please do continue to not help your cause.

 

[Phoenall]

Remnants of the occupied country’s armed forces who
continue fighting are of course combatants and must be treated as such. If
captured, they are entitled to POW status and treatment as laid down in the
Third Geneva Convention. In particular, they cannot be tried for the simple
fact of taking part in hostilities.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf

Didn't you state only yesterday that the P.A had no army, so this does not apply. Even if it did they have certain rules to follow that include the wearing of some form of uniform to distinguish them from ordinary civilians. No military action from civilian areas, or using civilians as human shields, no targeting children or unarmed civilians, no terrorist attacks and no illegal weapons.

Any breach of the above is a criminal offence under International law and Jordanian/Egyptian law at the time they occupied Palestine.

Palestinian defense forces have always been civilians.

They are wearing their traditional "uniform."

Then anyone wearing this "traditional uniform" is a valid military target, so there have been no civilian deaths at the hands of the Israelis just Palestinian defence forces.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Please read this carefully.

The west Bank was not Jordan.

(OBSERVATION)

From the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom Website:

• (Jordan - History - The Tragedy of Palestine of the Two Banks)

As a result of the war, many Palestinian Arabs from the Jordanian-controlled areas found that union with Jordan was of vital importance to the preservation of Arab control over the “West Bank” territories which had not fallen to the Israelis. Consequently, in December 1948, a group of Palestinian leaders and notables from the West Bank convened a historic conference in Jericho, where they called for King Abdullah to take immediate steps to unite the two banks of the Jordan into a single state under his leadership.

On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.

The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan now included nearly one and a half million people, more than half a million of whom were refugees evicted from Jewish-occupied Palestine. All automatically became citizens of Jordan, a right that had first been offered in December 1949 to all Palestinians who wished to claim it. Although the Arab League opposed this plan, and no other Arab government followed Jordan’s lead, the Hashemite Kingdom offered the possibility of normal life for many people who would have otherwise remained stateless refugees.

SOURCE: The Tragedy of Palestine

(COMMENT)

Notice that the decision included participation by the "Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank" in the decision to annex. This is called exercising the right of self-determination.

Arab Palestinian revisionist often like to omit the fact that they were part of the process and that they voted for annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think you need to read further. Nobody in the world, except Britain and Pakistan (???), recognized this annexation.

This begs a question. If this land was Jordan's and it was conquered by Israel in 1967, why is it called "occupied Palestinian territory?"

No-one calls it "occupied territory" except idiots and the uninformed.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinian defense forces have always been civilians.

They are wearing their traditional "uniform."

Israeli soldiers have also always been civilians. Whats your point?

Israeli soldiers and citizens are not considered "civilians."

Nor are Palestinian defence force, call them militia, insurgents or terrorists if you like it does not alter the fact that they are in breach of International Law by wearing civilian clothes

 

[Phoenall]

Israel

Are you now saying that the west bank is now part of Israel and that the people have accepted their rule.
Or is it a fact that the P.A. still govern the west bank and represent the peoples interests in the UN .

No, they rule by military force with no elective legitimacy.

The P.A. rule the west bank and Israel occupies it as a defensive measure under the terms of the Geneva conventions. Don't like the reality then have your representative call for a change in the law.

 

[pbel]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Please read this carefully.


(OBSERVATION)

From the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom Website:

• (Jordan - History - The Tragedy of Palestine of the Two Banks)

(COMMENT)

Notice that the decision included participation by the "Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank" in the decision to annex. This is called exercising the right of self-determination.

Arab Palestinian revisionist often like to omit the fact that they were part of the process and that they voted for annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think you need to read further. Nobody in the world, except Britain and Pakistan (???), recognized this annexation.

This begs a question. If this land was Jordan's and it was conquered by Israel in 1967, why is it called "occupied Palestinian territory?"

No-one calls it "occupied territory" except idiots and the uninformed.

Then: if its not occupied territory then its part of Israel and the Palestinians are Citizens or Apartheid? What is your conclusion?

 

[Phoenall]

Oh boy, so now you are playing the terrorist card.

Nice deflection.

Btw, how is calling out terrorists for who they are playing the 'terrorist card'

Its as if you are getting offended that we are calling your buddies terrorists lol.

"Terrorist" is third grade, political name calling.

The Palestinians do not fit the definition of terrorists.

In what way don't they fit the definition of terrorist, as stated here by the UN

Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them

 

[Kondor3]

Oh boy, so now you are playing the terrorist card.

Tinmore, anyone reading your posts for the first time would get the idea that you espouse sabotage, rockets, raids on settlers, car bombing, suicide bombing, and other atrocities as a means of "resistance". I agree that peace talks are a sham and that they are only held in order for the Arabs to make promises and agreements to appease the world only to renege everything. You must set your goal on peace and not "resistance". Or that "self-determination" bull crap.

It is Israel's war. Only Israel can stop it.

No, it is the Palestinians' war, or, more accurately, another sporadic outburst of a 66-year-old Palestinian asymetrical guerrilla.

Lay down your arms. You are beaten. Or die. Your choice. And a matter of little importance to much of the rest of the world.

You hsve been unprepared and vicious and foolish and blaming everyone else in the world except yourselves, and intruding on the pesce of the world in great disproportion to your size and importance on the world stage.

The world is has been dealing with your whiny shit for 66 years and has grown tired of it. Even the Egyptians and Jordanians have given up on you and fence you off and blockade you and collaborate with the saner and far more trustworthy and congenial Israelis.

Donor exhaustion.

Your terrorist actions outside Israel in yesrs past have put the mark of Cain on you.

You never had strong support outside of Islam and pissant initiatives like BDS are far too littlr far too late and will fizxle and will not be enough to save you.

You are a dying proto-stste thst never was, and, like a drowning man, you are grasping at straws like BDS and UN pseudo-recognition, and cannot see how inadequate and pathetic snd ridiculous and laughable that is.

You have lost. There is no way to turn this around. And the scraps of land still left to you are simply not worth it. Further resistance is pointless.

Time to face Reality. Lay down your arms. Emmigrate. Build a happier future, elsewhere.

Live.

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[ForeverYoung436]

I think you need to read further. Nobody in the world, except Britain and Pakistan (???), recognized this annexation.

This begs a question. If this land was Jordan's and it was conquered by Israel in 1967, why is it called "occupied Palestinian territory?"

No-one calls it "occupied territory" except idiots and the uninformed.

Then: if its not occupied territory then its part of Israel and the Palestinians are Citizens or Apartheid? What is your conclusion?

It's disputed territory, like Crimea, Chechnya, Northern Ireland or Northern Cyprus.

 

[pbel]

No-one calls it "occupied territory" except idiots and the uninformed.

Then: if its not occupied territory then its part of Israel and the Palestinians are Citizens or Apartheid? What is your conclusion?

It's disputed territory, like Crimea, Chechnya, Northern Ireland or Northern Cyprus.

Who disputes it?

 

[Phoenall]

No, they rule by military force with no elective legitimacy.

The PA is the governing for e of the Palestinians in the West Bank. Just because you're pissed that he has surpassed his term, doesnt change anything

Does the PA control its borders?
Control its airspace?
Control its imports and exports?
Control its travel and tourism?

It has no borders so it cant control them

Not while it is occupied territory

to a certain extent Yes

to a certain extent yes

Until it complies with the terms of the UN charter, Geneva Conventions and ceases all belligerence and terrorism it will not achieve self determination as envisaged by the UN. Nor will it achieve full control of its own destiny

 

[ForeverYoung436]

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Then: if its not occupied territory then its part of Israel and the Palestinians are Citizens or Apartheid? What is your conclusion?

It's disputed territory, like Crimea, Chechnya, Northern Ireland or Northern Cyprus.

Who disputes it?

Rightist Israelis dispute it on the grounds that it should be a part of "Greater Israel" ( sounds like an empire). Palestinians want the West Bank for a state.

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli soldiers and citizens are not considered "civilians."

Citizens of Israel are civilians. Just because Israel is the 'occupying power' in the West Bank, it has nothing to do with it.

Not true. Look it up.

So in effect you are saying that new born Israeli children are valid targets for the Palestinians, and that the Palestinians can use illegal weapons to target Israeli children.

Sums up your evil mind perfectly and shows that you support genocide and mass murder in the name of islam

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Citizens of Israel are civilians. Just because Israel is the 'occupying power' in the West Bank, it has nothing to do with it.

Not true. Look it up.

So in effect you are saying that new born Israeli children are valid targets for the Palestinians, and that the Palestinians can use illegal weapons to target Israeli children.

Sums up your evil mind perfectly and shows that you support genocide and mass murder in the name of islam

Tinmore is not a Muslim, but he doesn't realize that he's a useful tool for them. Not too bright.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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Then: if its not occupied territory then its part of Israel and the Palestinians are Citizens or Apartheid? What is your conclusion?

It's disputed territory, like Crimea, Chechnya, Northern Ireland or Northern Cyprus.

Who disputes it?

Israel says disputed.

The rest of the world says occupied.

 

[Phoenall]

"Terrorist" is third grade, political name calling.

The Palestinians do not fit the definition of terrorists.

Just because you consider it name calling, doesnt make it so.

And yes , many Palestinians do fit that category. We already know you do t consider what many of them have do be terrorism, but it's not up to you to decide.
Hamas and other Islamic groups have commited terrorist acts by attacking people in Israel without distinguishing between civilian and mitary targets and not trying to avoid civilian targets in order to achieve their political goals.

OK, you have said it now prove it.

Very easy here it is from their own mouths

The leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad again admits that the Israeli security fence built by Israel in Judea and Samaria prevents the terrorist organizations from reaching the heart of Israel to carry out suicide bombing attacks

PIJ leader Ramadan Abdallah Shalah was interviewed in Damascus by the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq. He said that the second intifada was currently characterized by rocket fire, which had replaced the previous stage of suicide bombing attacks. That, he said, was because the enemy [i.e., Israel] had found ways and means to protect itself from such attacks

 

[GibsonSG]

I think you need to read further. Nobody in the world, except Britain and Pakistan (???), recognized this annexation.

This begs a question. If this land was Jordan's and it was conquered by Israel in 1967, why is it called "occupied Palestinian territory?"

If the land was Jordan's and they don't seem to be asking for it back, why should anyone give to the Pals? Are they claiming the land as Jordanians? Apparently not, so wassup?