I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

pbel, et al,

And of course, you are more right then you might think.

I guess you just don't get it...No-one in the Islamic world gives any credence to your Western Colonial interpretations...

(COMMENT)

None of the Mandates represented any form of Western Colonization.

As for the interpretation, nearly all the references you used, are authored by one or more of the original WWI Allied Powers. What interpretation should be used?Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I see people from the European diaspora and later Russia are not Colonialist, I see, they are just land thieves.


The conquered peoples who were indigenous for 2,000 years, try too see their point of view....

Just as none of the Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians were Arabic colonialists just Arabic land thieves and mass murderers. While they were getting their slice of the pie everything was good and happy, but as soon as it looked like the barren desert was to be given to another party they erupted in hatred and fury.
The Jews were invited to colonise an empty land by the LEGAL LAND OWNERS as part of the details in the mandate of Palestine.
Now do show a credible link to prove that the Egyptians, Saudis, Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians were there for 2000 years. When even the muslim histories tell of massive enforced migrations into the area by the ottomans because the land was so inhospitable and devoid of human life. Even the Mandate powers state that Arabic migration was rampant in the lead up to the partition of the land.

Now what about the rights of the indigenous people who had lived and worked the land for 4,500 years facing rape, murder, evictions and brutal oppression for 1500 of those years at the hands of the Arabic land thieves.

 

[Phoenall]

The little maggot chimes in. Wipe your nose and then you will know why no one is over it!

Pbel, I would like to ask you a question. We all know that the original Christians were in many Middle East countries way before the Arabs left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries where they forced these Christians into accepting Islam and killed many who refused. How is it that you are not concerned with the descendants of these people whose ancestors were lucky to survive this onslaught -- the Copts, the Assyrians, etc -- when they can't practice their religious beliefs in peace and so many of them have been murdered with their churches destroyed? Meanwhile, early travelers to the Holy Land had reported that they didn't see many Arabs, mainly bedouins, and Winston Churchill reported (probably with reports coming back from the officials in the area) that the Arabs were swarming into the areas from their poor surrounding countries for the jobs the Jews had for them. I am sure you are aware of what is happening with regard for the poor people from Southeast Asia, Africa and the Middle East with their leaving in great numbers their countries and going to other countries for jobs in Europe and the Western Hemisphere, the same as you are aware of the millions of Hispanics who have crossed our own southern border for jobs.

Sally, I like Jews a lot more than the ego-alien culture of Islam, but what can we do"? The last thing would be to create a Western outpost in the middle of their turf, it suicidal in the long run.

The injustices and invasions you speak of happened 1500 years ago and continue today by Israel and Muslims. But hey have no relevance to this conflict...Those people Christians and Jews converted to Islam by the sword don't want to changes their religions today, in fact they lived next to the Palestinians peacefully until Zionism invaded the land, only today forceful invasions are against International norms...

If the Arabs offer peace and recognition then half a loaf to the 67 borders is just.

The muslims have never lived peacefully in their entire existence, their religion is based on violence and fear. The Zionists never invaded the land at all they were invited to migrate, it was the arab muslims that invaded and then a scant 22 years later lost the land. Just look at the turmoil, aggression, hate and violence that is all around the M.E. today and not any one part of it can be blamed on the Jews, Zionists or European colonialists. BUT it can be blamed on Arabic colonialism and greed coupled with Islamic illiteracy.

 

[Phoenall]

Sally, I like Jews a lot more than the ego-alien culture of Islam, but what can we do"? The last thing would be to create a Western outpost in the middle of their turf, it suicidal in the long run.

The injustices and invasions you speak of happened 1500 years ago and continue today by Israel and Muslims. But hey have no relevance to this conflict...Those people Christians and Jews converted to Islam by the sword don't want to changes their religions today, in fact they lived next to the Palestinians peacefully until Zionism invaded the land, only today forceful invasions are against International norms...

If the Arabs offer peace and recognition then half a loaf to the 67 borders is just.

Well, Pbel, the invasion by Islam might have happened over 1500 years ago, but today, right now, in the Middle East the descendents of those early Christians who were lucky enough to survive are being harassed and murdered because of their religion. Naturally, the reports of the early travelers saying they there were very few Arabs in the Holy Land mean nothing to you. You would never accept the fact that most of these Arabs came from surrounding areas for jobs. Why do you think we see so many different people coming here for jobs? Do you really think they all are coming here for political asylum? Do you ever read about the poor Africans who try to get to Europe on vessels that are not seaworthy (and many drown) because they want jobs? Meanwhile, Pbel just doesn't want to see that the Arabs do not want to give up one tiny piece of land in the Middle East, but of course in Pbel's mind, it is all the Zionists fault. The charters of Fatah and Hamas say they will welcome being at peace with the Jews, don't they, Pbel? I certainly wish you can tell us why you are so obsessed with the "Zionists" when there is so much going on in the rest of the Middle East. Why are you so silent? People are being murdered all the time because of their religion or the sect they belong too; yet it has always been more important for you to talk about the "Zionists."

God, I hope Israel is not paying you to post...Yakety yak, overboard redundancy, two sentences in and bored we go...The point being lost in a bag of hot air...

What is your point? Are you saying we should discuss Biafra or Sudan in the Palestinian Israeli board? Discuss obsessions and delusions?

What is your point in one sentence.

Not at all but we should discuss truth and honesty and not blood libels and falsehoods. We should stop the belligerent use of the term Zionist for starters and call them what they are Jews. Calling them Zionists does not make your RACIST ANTI SEMITIC HATRED any less obvious, it is recognised as a scam by NAZI RACISTS to hide behind. So lets be honest shall we and put our true cards on the table, I will go first


The arabs have no legal, moral or cultural rights to the land of Palestine. They consistently show that they do not belong there and are violently opposed to the real owners from having more than them. Their own histories show they were recent migrants to the area and came looking for easy pickings, when they found that the going was tough they packed up and left. The land was removed from ottoman government control by the league of nations and given over to British government control. The mandate was based on agreements with the arabs and it was agreed that the Jews would be given the land of what is now referred to as Palestine as their homeland. Historical fact that the muslims can not deny. The mufti did not want to lose his power base so he fomented terrorist attacks on the Jews and British to force a change, having learnt from his mogul brothers how to do this.

Your turn

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, and, by the way, your magic 700,000 number includes vast numbers of Arabs who left on their own without being driven out...

Bullshit!

Nobody leaves a place they've been living at for generations, just because someone asks them to.

They do if the only other option is death, which is what was on offer. The people themselves tell the same story how the arab armies asked them to leave the field of battle to return 2 weeks later as the new owners of all the Jewish land and property. For greed people will do anything, and there is none more greedy than a muslim.

 

[Phoenall]

Learn to read I said there was no COUNTRY to take over. Taking over villages during a war where the Palestinians joined the the Arabs to destroy Israel and push the Jews to the sea is not taking over a mythical country. BOTH sides were trying to push eachother out, but the Jews won so get over it and stop whining.

You got time issues, dude.

It was the taking over of villages, that started the war.

Not according to the arabs, they stated it was the creation of Israel ON LAND THEY SAW AQS THEIRS that started the war. The reality was the war started way back in 632 at medina when the Jews refused to worship Mohamed as their god.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Text from Youtube description:
According to Palestinians, they were expelled from Israel by the Jewish armies in 1948. A large documentation, and many testimonies from Arab leaders and historians intend to prove that, actually, they fled the zone of conflict because of Arab propaganda, spreading the fake news of massacres... Deir Yassin, among those so said massacres, became a legend.

 

[pbel]

Well, Pbel, the invasion by Islam might have happened over 1500 years ago, but today, right now, in the Middle East the descendents of those early Christians who were lucky enough to survive are being harassed and murdered because of their religion. Naturally, the reports of the early travelers saying they there were very few Arabs in the Holy Land mean nothing to you. You would never accept the fact that most of these Arabs came from surrounding areas for jobs. Why do you think we see so many different people coming here for jobs? Do you really think they all are coming here for political asylum? Do you ever read about the poor Africans who try to get to Europe on vessels that are not seaworthy (and many drown) because they want jobs? Meanwhile, Pbel just doesn't want to see that the Arabs do not want to give up one tiny piece of land in the Middle East, but of course in Pbel's mind, it is all the Zionists fault. The charters of Fatah and Hamas say they will welcome being at peace with the Jews, don't they, Pbel? I certainly wish you can tell us why you are so obsessed with the "Zionists" when there is so much going on in the rest of the Middle East. Why are you so silent? People are being murdered all the time because of their religion or the sect they belong too; yet it has always been more important for you to talk about the "Zionists."

God, I hope Israel is not paying you to post...Yakety yak, overboard redundancy, two sentences in and bored we go...The point being lost in a bag of hot air...

What is your point? Are you saying we should discuss Biafra or Sudan in the Palestinian Israeli board? Discuss obsessions and delusions?

What is your point in one sentence.

Well I certainly hope that you didn't take money for your silly poems when you became a Dhimmi. Let's face it, Pbel, anyone who knows your history during the years of you posting realizes that you are not interested in the Middle East as a whole, but are only interested in the "Zionists." Do you realize that just in this year alone, thousands and thousands of people have been killed in the Middle East? I know you can't involve the "Zionists" in this, but these people are still dead. Do you really think that those who did the killings actually want to see Jews governing a little piece of land in the Middle East?

It is rather useless to dwell on whether people like or dislike right wing Zionists or Jews of Israel... You seem to dwell on this rather than discussing how peace may be had...The world has condemned Israel for its occupation yet you dwell on why people dislike them? Those billions of people in the world dislike Israel because she breaks all International Laws like a criminal empire on the Palestinians, all because of Power and Greed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations - World Israel News | Haaretz

 

[RoccoR]

Sweet_Caroline, et al,

There is not one single reason as to why the Arab Palestinian refugee columns formed, but a compilation of several reasons.

Text from Youtube description:
According to Palestinians, they were expelled from Israel by the Jewish armies in 1948. A large documentation, and many testimonies from Arab leaders and historians intend to prove that, actually, they fled the zone of conflict because of Arab propaganda, spreading the fake news of massacres... Deir Yassin, among those so said massacres, became a legend.

(COMMENT)

There is no question that a battle was fought at Deir Yassin. It is quite the matter of record that various elements of Jewish quasi-militia [some believe Irgun Zevai Leumi (AKA: National Military Organization) were the culprits while others claim the Lohamei Herut Israel Zionist (AKA: Lehi or Stern Gang) were involved], attempting to breach the blockade of Jerusalem, fought a major engagement there. Whether all the stories are true, partly true, exaggerated - or not, may never be known. But the Mandatory put the matter on record in the 20 April 1948 Communication Received from United Kingdom Delegation Concerning Jewish Attack on Arab Village of Deir Yassin (9 April 1948) (A/AC.21/UK/113 20 April 1948). It was an event serious enough for the Chief Rabbinate Council to issue a condemnation; and serious enough for the Haganah (Later to become the IDF) to step in and take charge of the situation from the various elements of Jewish quasi-militia involved. The Haganah may have interfered with the proper (Jewish) Police Investigation of the incident. It was a perfect (anti-Jewish) event to amplify in the press on the part of the pro-Arab Palestinian movements. Again, not as a means of justification, but in the practical recognition that both sides had unfortunate events.

In the 20th Century, marked and scared by many wars, no major conflict had gone without some serious incident, of this nature, having occurred. I say this is, not a justification for such actions, but in practical recognition --- that in reality, incidents of this nature do occur and are used as a means to sling mud on the opponent.

• December 1947 – Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks – Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine.
• December 30, 1947 – 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa’s oil refinery
• January 16, 1948 – 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion
• February 22, 1948 – 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem’s Rehov Ben-Yehuda
• February 29, 1948 – 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry.
• January and February 1948 – Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma’anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombed The Palestine Post
• April 13, 1948 – 35 Jew were murdered during the Hadassah medical convoy massacre

As I've said many times, neither side has clean hands.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

They do if the only other option is death, which is what was on offer. The people themselves tell the same story how the arab armies asked them to leave the field of battle to return 2 weeks later as the new owners of all the Jewish land and property. For greed people will do anything, and there is none more greedy than a muslim.

You have know idea just how stupid you really are?

You just proved my point!

Here you have a entire population of people living in an area in virtual peace, generation after generation, then one day for some reason, they are presented with the dilemma...

a) continue to live in this area


....................or.................as you stated................


b) "...the only other option is death..."​

So what, pray tell, is the reason (after 2000 years), are these people presented with the "...option of death..."?

And that "reason", is YOU FUCKERS!

You imported violence and hostility into the area and turned almost a million peaceful living farmers, into refugees, fleeing for their safety.

This is how you treated them then and this is how you treat them today...

"They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination...
- Ahad Ha'am (famous Zionist humanist)

That quote is shown to be true in every one you (and your god-damn, Israeli kiss-ass, butt-buddy's) posts.

 

[toastman]

Rocco, when pro Palestinians like Pbel and Tinmore describe the events of the the Mandatory Palestine civil war and the Arab Israeli war, they always out the Arab atrocoties. They like to make it seem like it was one side attacking the other and thats it

 

[Billo_Really]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4r7ZjG9Nc

Text from Youtube description:
According to Palestinians, they were expelled from Israel by the Jewish armies in 1948. A large documentation, and many testimonies from Arab leaders and historians intend to prove that, actually, they fled the zone of conflict because of Arab propaganda, spreading the fake news of massacres... Deir Yassin, among those so said massacres, became a legend.

No text from Youtube, but that won't stop you from singing it with me twisted sister, c'mon girl, let it out...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhFnTjia_I]Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline High Quality neildiamond - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rocco, when pro Palestinians like Pbel and Tinmore describe the events of the the Mandatory Palestine civil war and the Arab Israeli war, they always out the Arab atrocoties. They like to make it seem like it was one side attacking the other and thats it

Israel's version of history.

The British went to America in 1812. The Americans attacked and the British had to defend themselves.

 

[Kondor3]

Rocco, when pro Palestinians like Pbel and Tinmore describe the events of the the Mandatory Palestine civil war and the Arab Israeli war, they always out the Arab atrocoties. They like to make it seem like it was one side attacking the other and thats it

Israel's version of history.

The British went to America in 1812. The Americans attacked and the British had to defend themselves.

Nominated for Worst Analogy of the Week.

Apples, meet oranges.

 

[Sally]

God, I hope Israel is not paying you to post...Yakety yak, overboard redundancy, two sentences in and bored we go...The point being lost in a bag of hot air...

What is your point? Are you saying we should discuss Biafra or Sudan in the Palestinian Israeli board? Discuss obsessions and delusions?

What is your point in one sentence.

Well I certainly hope that you didn't take money for your silly poems when you became a Dhimmi. Let's face it, Pbel, anyone who knows your history during the years of you posting realizes that you are not interested in the Middle East as a whole, but are only interested in the "Zionists." Do you realize that just in this year alone, thousands and thousands of people have been killed in the Middle East? I know you can't involve the "Zionists" in this, but these people are still dead. Do you really think that those who did the killings actually want to see Jews governing a little piece of land in the Middle East?

It is rather useless to dwell on whether people like or dislike right wing Zionists or Jews of Israel... You seem to dwell on this rather than discussing how peace may be had...The world has condemned Israel for its occupation yet you dwell on why people dislike them? Those billions of people in the world dislike Israel because she breaks all International Laws like a criminal empire on the Palestinians, all because of Power and Greed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations - World Israel News | Haaretz

It is amusing how the anti-Semites like Pbel keep on pulling up this poll. You have proven one thing to the readers Pbel. You are not concerned at all about the thousands and thousands of innocent Arabs who have been killed by other Arabs. It is like their lives mean nothing to you. Can you honestly say with a straight face that the Palestinians are treated as poorly as we see others being treated in the Middle East. I don't think anyone has seen hundreds of Palestinians mowed down by the IDF the way we see other Arabs, both Muslims and Christians, mowed down elsewhere in the U.S. So keep on bringing up that poll like the silly fool you are. Tell you what, Pbel, since you are so interested in polls. Why not start a poll here in the U.S. and ask other Americans how much they admire the Arabs who are busy killing their own people?

 

[Billo_Really]

Can you honestly say with a straight face that the Palestinians are treated as poorly as we see others being treated in the Middle East.

Absolutely!

You have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany to find an entire population of people treated worse than the Palestinian's.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

Old news.

It is rather useless to dwell on whether people like or dislike right wing Zionists or Jews of Israel... You seem to dwell on this rather than discussing how peace may be had...The world has condemned Israel for its occupation yet you dwell on why people dislike them? Those billions of people in the world dislike Israel because she breaks all International Laws like a criminal empire on the Palestinians, all because of Power and Greed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations - World Israel News | Haaretz

(COMMENT)

I just see all those people rushing to see the West Bank and Gaza.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Well I certainly hope that you didn't take money for your silly poems when you became a Dhimmi. Let's face it, Pbel, anyone who knows your history during the years of you posting realizes that you are not interested in the Middle East as a whole, but are only interested in the "Zionists." Do you realize that just in this year alone, thousands and thousands of people have been killed in the Middle East? I know you can't involve the "Zionists" in this, but these people are still dead. Do you really think that those who did the killings actually want to see Jews governing a little piece of land in the Middle East?

It is rather useless to dwell on whether people like or dislike right wing Zionists or Jews of Israel... You seem to dwell on this rather than discussing how peace may be had...The world has condemned Israel for its occupation yet you dwell on why people dislike them? Those billions of people in the world dislike Israel because she breaks all International Laws like a criminal empire on the Palestinians, all because of Power and Greed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations - World Israel News | Haaretz

It is amusing how the anti-Semites like Pbel keep on pulling up this poll. You have proven one thing to the readers Pbel. You are not concerned at all about the thousands and thousands of innocent Arabs who have been killed by other Arabs. It is like their lives mean nothing to you. Can you honestly say with a straight face that the Palestinians are treated as poorly as we see others being treated in the Middle East. I don't think anyone has seen hundreds of Palestinians mowed down by the IDF the way we see other Arabs, both Muslims and Christians, mowed down elsewhere in the U.S. So keep on bringing up that poll like the silly fool you are. Tell you what, Pbel, since you are so interested in polls. Why not start a poll here in the U.S. and ask other Americans how much they admire the Arabs who are busy killing their own people?

What Pbel and the ilk won't realize is the fact that Israel doesn't abide by any popularity contest polls.

 

[Kondor3]

Can you honestly say with a straight face that the Palestinians are treated as poorly as we see others being treated in the Middle East.

Absolutely!

You have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany to find an entire population of people treated worse than the Palestinian's.

Maybe the Palestinians should stop shooting at the Jews, then.

People who bring a cooking spatula to a gun-fight don't last long.

Nature's way of de-selecting the foolish and ill-prepared.

 

[Kondor3]

It is rather useless to dwell on whether people like or dislike right wing Zionists or Jews of Israel... You seem to dwell on this rather than discussing how peace may be had...The world has condemned Israel for its occupation yet you dwell on why people dislike them? Those billions of people in the world dislike Israel because she breaks all International Laws like a criminal empire on the Palestinians, all because of Power and Greed.

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations

BBC poll: Israel among world's least popular nations - World Israel News | Haaretz

It is amusing how the anti-Semites like Pbel keep on pulling up this poll. You have proven one thing to the readers Pbel. You are not concerned at all about the thousands and thousands of innocent Arabs who have been killed by other Arabs. It is like their lives mean nothing to you. Can you honestly say with a straight face that the Palestinians are treated as poorly as we see others being treated in the Middle East. I don't think anyone has seen hundreds of Palestinians mowed down by the IDF the way we see other Arabs, both Muslims and Christians, mowed down elsewhere in the U.S. So keep on bringing up that poll like the silly fool you are. Tell you what, Pbel, since you are so interested in polls. Why not start a poll here in the U.S. and ask other Americans how much they admire the Arabs who are busy killing their own people?

What Pbel and the ilk won't realize is the fact that Israel doesn't abide by any popularity contest polls.

You have to be alive to be unpopular.

Survival first, Miss Congeniality second.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sweet_Caroline, et al,

There is not one single reason as to why the Arab Palestinian refugee columns formed, but a compilation of several reasons.

Text from Youtube description:
According to Palestinians, they were expelled from Israel by the Jewish armies in 1948. A large documentation, and many testimonies from Arab leaders and historians intend to prove that, actually, they fled the zone of conflict because of Arab propaganda, spreading the fake news of massacres... Deir Yassin, among those so said massacres, became a legend.

(COMMENT)

There is no question that a battle was fought at Deir Yassin. It is quite the matter of record that various elements of Jewish quasi-militia [some believe Irgun Zevai Leumi (AKA: National Military Organization) were the culprits while others claim the Lohamei Herut Israel Zionist (AKA: Lehi or Stern Gang) were involved], attempting to breach the blockade of Jerusalem, fought a major engagement there. Whether all the stories are true, partly true, exaggerated - or not, may never be known. But the Mandatory put the matter on record in the 20 April 1948 Communication Received from United Kingdom Delegation Concerning Jewish Attack on Arab Village of Deir Yassin (9 April 1948) (A/AC.21/UK/113 20 April 1948). It was an event serious enough for the Chief Rabbinate Council to issue a condemnation; and serious enough for the Haganah (Later to become the IDF) to step in and take charge of the situation from the various elements of Jewish quasi-militia involved. The Haganah may have interfered with the proper (Jewish) Police Investigation of the incident. It was a perfect (anti-Jewish) event to amplify in the press on the part of the pro-Arab Palestinian movements. Again, not as a means of justification, but in the practical recognition that both sides had unfortunate events.

In the 20th Century, marked and scared by many wars, no major conflict had gone without some serious incident, of this nature, having occurred. I say this is, not a justification for such actions, but in practical recognition --- that in reality, incidents of this nature do occur and are used as a means to sling mud on the opponent.

• December 1947 – Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks – Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine.
• December 30, 1947 – 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa’s oil refinery
• January 16, 1948 – 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion
• February 22, 1948 – 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem’s Rehov Ben-Yehuda
• February 29, 1948 – 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry.
• January and February 1948 – Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma’anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombed The Palestine Post
• April 13, 1948 – 35 Jew were murdered during the Hadassah medical convoy massacre

As I've said many times, neither side has clean hands.

Most Respectfully,
R

incidents of this nature do occur and are used as a means to sling mud on the opponent.

That you do all of the time. You always slime the Palestinians, though.

But then again, you don't believe that the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.