I will not Bow!

[pbel]

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in planning.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in preparations.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in strategy.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in tactics.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in war.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in peace.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in public relations.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in politics.

Is it any surprise that the Jews outclassed the Muslims in lobbying?

Pfffffttt...

Jealous?

Gawd you're becoming a juvenile cheerleader...

Wassa madda, pbel?

Somebody let a little hot air out of your pontificating about AIPAC?

Better a juvenile cheerleader than a fifth columnist for the Bad Guys.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

 

[Phoenall]

Netanyahu In 2001: 'America Is A Thing You Can Move Very Easily'

A newly released video of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu could add some additional strain to the sometimes tense relationship between him and President Obama.

In the video, which is from 2001, Netanyahu -- who reportedly did not know his speech was being recorded -- speaks frankly in Hebrew about relations with the Clinton White House and the peace process.

As noted in Haaretz, Netanyahu seems to boast of his knowledge of the US by saying, "I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."

He also boasts of manipulating the U.S. in the ongoing peace process, as the Washington Post points out:

That does not mean that Israel has America in its pocket, it just means that they which strings to pull to get a desired effect. Just as America knows which strings to pull to lead Israel to a different solution

The back tracking of a Zionist soldier caught with his hand in the cookie jar: Phoenall...



N.Y. Times scraps AIPAC from Syria story - POLITICO.com

Administration officials said the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. In the House, the majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, has long worked to challenge Democrats’ traditional base among Jews.

One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called AIPAC “the 800-pound gorilla in the room,” and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, “If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line” against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, “we’re in trouble.”

So when was it they, AIPAC, forced the USA to take action against Syria and Assad. Did it happen in your fantasy world, or was it on the 5th plane of existence. If there has been no ass kicking then we can safely say THAT YOU ARE A LYING POS ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST.

 

[Phoenall]

Gawd you're becoming a juvenile cheerleader...

Wassa madda, pbel?

Somebody let a little hot air out of your pontificating about AIPAC?

Better a juvenile cheerleader than a fifth columnist for the Bad Guys.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

Both History and demographics have failed to make any inroads in 66 years. The muslims have always outnumbered the Jews by at least 100 to 1 , and have failed to win any decisive victories in the last 66 years. Egypt and Jordan have realised this and made peace with Israel, and are now prospering like never before. So much so that Egypt are asking Israel for help against hamas and the muslim brotherhood, Jordan is asking Israel to patrol its eastern border while they deal with the problem of Syria. Now even Saudi is seeing the sense in having Israel as a friend and is talking of recognition.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out..."

That is far from the impression that one gets when reading your posts over an extended period of time, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

"...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second..."

Nonsense. My loyalties and their priority are: God, Family and Country - and my country is the United States of America. I volunteered and served my country in wartime (non-combat role) and routinely advocate for her best interests in my own real-world interactions.

I am merely one of the vast numbers of Americans who (1) believe that friendship and alliance with Israel is both strategically and tactically advantageous to the United States, (2) understand the deep spiritual connection between Judaism and Christianity and Western culture, (3) are proud of America's commitment to helping the Jews reclaim their ancestral and spiritual homeland and to recover from the Holocaust and (4) realize that disengaging from Israel means that Radical Islam (including the 9-11 terrorists) has won - allowing them to dictate to the United States, whom it may befriend, and whom it may form alliances with, and whom it may not.

But unless Israel turns on the United States, I applaud our ongoing and strong support for Israel, and will continue to counterpoint those who advocate for Palestinian interests, or otherwise for disengaging from our friend and ally.

"...America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own."

Thank you for your opinion on the subject.

 

[Roudy]

"...AIPAC the 800-pound gorilla in the room..."

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in planning.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in preparations.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in strategy.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in tactics.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in war.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in peace.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in public relations.

The Jews outclassed the Muslims in politics.

Is it any surprise that the Jews outclassed the Muslims in lobbying?

Pfffffttt...

Jealous?

Funny part is Muslims keep coming back for more outclassing. Must be that low learning curve.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

This, unfortunately, is an example and extension of the "It is All About ME, ME, ME!" attitude. It is extremely common in the Narcissistic Personality of the Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian persona (PpPp).

There are a number of reasons why America should back away from becoming involved in attempting to drive a political solution to the Middle East dilemma (the Israeli-Palestinian conflict); yet still, support the protection of the Jewish State. But the "It is all about Me" attitude is not one of the reasons.

Nor is pure nationalism (a single-minded focus, loyalty and devotion to a America) --- what's good for America is good for us, and forget about the rest --- the right posture to assume.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not Israel (or the Palestinian for that matter) is a good neighbor, friend, or ally to America is as unimportant to the issues at hand. Nor is it important that America receive an immediate, short-term, benefit from its involvement, of any consequence. What is important is the maintenance of the original ideals behind the promotion and establishment of the Jewish State. That is, the preservation of a society and culture of a people that has been oppressed down through the ages; the desire to achieve Jewish political independence, with a separate identity and culture but had no state of their own --- against --- a wave of incessant and excessive Arab Nationalism, and its fanatically devotion to Jihad and its self-interests, often associated with a grandiose sense of self-importance, and diametrically opposed to the preservation effort. The PpPp has a sense of entitlement --- unreasonable expectations --- of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with uniquely Arab expectations. The PpPp is totally lacking in any form of empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the aspirations and needs of other cultures; preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, and brilliance --- attributes they consistently fail to demonstrate or achieve in any meaningful way, shape or form.

• The PpPp is often heard to cry "genocide!" Yet little is it remembered that it was the PpPp that "made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition [GA/RES/181(II)]. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child."

• The PpPp is often heard to claim "apartheid!" Yet little is it remembered that the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) Ambassador to the United States (Maen Areikat) said "that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Israelis."

• The PpPp is often heard to complain about "invasion!" Yet little is it remembered that the that on mid-night 14/15 May 1948, UK (Mandatory) relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. And, simultaneously, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. "Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities." The following day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the PpPp in defying Resolution 181(II) of the UN.

Even today, as HAMAS Ministry of Education (under Article 15 of the Covenant - "The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Duty"), where "Jihad" is expressed as an individual duty of every Moslem,

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza's Hamas authorities have blocked a U.N. refugee agency from introducing textbooks promoting human rights into local schools, saying it ignores Palestinian cultural mores and focuses too heavily on "peaceful" means of conflict resolution.

Motesem al-Minawi, spokesman for the Hamas-run Education Ministry, said Thursday that the government believes the curriculum does not match the "ideology and philosophy" of the local population.

But perhaps worst of all, the books focused on “peaceful resistance as the only way of achieving freedom and independence.” The entire eighth grade curriculum, Al-Minawi lamented, is “not dedicated to human rights but to domesticate the psyche of the Palestinian pupil, fostering negative feelings toward armed resistance.”

The PpPp is diametrically opposed the the principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered (A/RES/25/2625). Instead they suggest that there is some legitimacy in "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

Yes, it is important for Americans not to get all tied-up in the bantering of the day and remember the basics of the struggle. The PpPp believe that the very documents that the Jewish People followed as a guide - The Partition of Palestine in 1947 [GA/RES/181(II)], and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. And that the armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. And many of the outspoken PpPp see JIHAD! as the only true solution. "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." (Article 13 - HAMAS Covenant)

Yes, it is important for Americans to understand the scope and nature of the PpPp and the morality for which they stand.

Yes, the Israelis are not perfect. But in saying that, there is a huge magnitude in the difference between the Israeli and the PpPp.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Gawd you're becoming a juvenile cheerleader...

Wassa madda, pbel?

Somebody let a little hot air out of your pontificating about AIPAC?

Better a juvenile cheerleader than a fifth columnist for the Bad Guys.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

Isnt it funny Pbel that anyone who supports Israel, you make them out to be an Israel firster??
Kondor is. It Jewish or Israel and hes not even a Christian Zionist, he just sees the conflict for what it is, which is something pro Palestinians cant.

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

This, unfortunately, is an example and extension of the "It is All About ME, ME, ME!" attitude. It is extremely common in the Narcissistic Personality of the Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian persona (PpPp).

There are a number of reasons why America should back away from becoming involved in attempting to drive a political solution to the Middle East dilemma (the Israeli-Palestinian conflict); yet still, support the protection of the Jewish State. But the "It is all about Me" attitude is not one of the reasons.

Nor is pure nationalism (a single-minded focus, loyalty and devotion to a America) --- what's good for America is good for us, and forget about the rest --- the right posture to assume.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not Israel (or the Palestinian for that matter) is a good neighbor, friend, or ally to America is as unimportant to the issues at hand. Nor is it important that America receive an immediate, short-term, benefit from its involvement, of any consequence. What is important is the maintenance of the original ideals behind the promotion and establishment of the Jewish State. That is, the preservation of a society and culture of a people that has been oppressed down through the ages; the desire to achieve Jewish political independence, with a separate identity and culture but had no state of their own --- against --- a wave of incessant and excessive Arab Nationalism, and its fanatically devotion to Jihad and its self-interests, often associated with a grandiose sense of self-importance, and diametrically opposed to the preservation effort. The PpPp has a sense of entitlement --- unreasonable expectations --- of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with uniquely Arab expectations. The PpPp is totally lacking in any form of empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the aspirations and needs of other cultures; preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, and brilliance --- attributes they consistently fail to demonstrate or achieve in any meaningful way, shape or form.

• The PpPp is often heard to cry "genocide!" Yet little is it remembered that it was the PpPp that "made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition [GA/RES/181(II)]. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child."

• The PpPp is often heard to claim "apartheid!" Yet little is it remembered that the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) Ambassador to the United States (Maen Areikat) said "that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Israelis."

• The PpPp is often heard to complain about "invasion!" Yet little is it remembered that the that on mid-night 14/15 May 1948, UK (Mandatory) relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. And, simultaneously, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. "Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities." The following day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the PpPp in defying Resolution 181(II) of the UN.

Even today, as HAMAS Ministry of Education (under Article 15 of the Covenant - "The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Duty"), where "Jihad" is expressed as an individual duty of every Moslem,

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza's Hamas authorities have blocked a U.N. refugee agency from introducing textbooks promoting human rights into local schools, saying it ignores Palestinian cultural mores and focuses too heavily on "peaceful" means of conflict resolution.

Motesem al-Minawi, spokesman for the Hamas-run Education Ministry, said Thursday that the government believes the curriculum does not match the "ideology and philosophy" of the local population.

But perhaps worst of all, the books focused on “peaceful resistance as the only way of achieving freedom and independence.” The entire eighth grade curriculum, Al-Minawi lamented, is “not dedicated to human rights but to domesticate the psyche of the Palestinian pupil, fostering negative feelings toward armed resistance.”

The PpPp is diametrically opposed the the principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered (A/RES/25/2625). Instead they suggest that there is some legitimacy in "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

Yes, it is important for Americans not to get all tied-up in the bantering of the day and remember the basics of the struggle. The PpPp believe that the very documents that the Jewish People followed as a guide - The Partition of Palestine in 1947 [GA/RES/181(II)], and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. And that the armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. And many of the outspoken PpPp see JIHAD! as the only true solution. "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." (Article 13 - HAMAS Covenant)

Yes, it is important for Americans to understand the scope and nature of the PpPp and the morality for which they stand.

Yes, the Israelis are not perfect. But in saying that, there is a huge magnitude in the difference between the Israeli and the PpPp.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Kondor3]

Wassa madda, pbel?

Somebody let a little hot air out of your pontificating about AIPAC?

Better a juvenile cheerleader than a fifth columnist for the Bad Guys.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

Isnt it funny Pbel that anyone who supports Israel, you make them out to be an Israel firster??
Kondor is. It Jewish or Israel and hes not even a Christian Zionist, he just sees the conflict for what it is, which is something pro Palestinians cant.

Just your average Irish-German lapsed Roman Catholic boy from Chicago (and environs)...

 

[aris2chat]

Of course the fake Sharon quote is all over the web -- in all the NeoNazi/KKK anti-Semitic sites which is probably where you first saw it and then you couldn't restrain yourself from using it over and over and over even when it was shown to you that it was fake.

Blah Blah Blah Airhead #1...keep repeating your paranoia about people hating you...Can you answer why there is the kind of hate you describe, I certainly don't see it or ever experience it around Boston, but that hate brought us a bombing Marathon last year...

And the reason given by the bomber, "America and her allies are killing Muslims." or something like that.

Frankly as an American, I want out of those hell holes and let them sort it out.



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I've come across the following quote on some obviously anti-Israel/anti-Semitic sites like Radio ... We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


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So just what are you trying to prove, Pbel? Are you denying that even when you were told that the quote was a fake and the newspaper reporter apologized for it, you kept on using it? As you can see from the numerous sites you have listed that the anti-Semitic hate sites had a field day with the fake quote, and no doubt that is where you first learned of that quote.

more crazy quotes that were not said?
lies and more lies?

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

This, unfortunately, is an example and extension of the "It is All About ME, ME, ME!" attitude. It is extremely common in the Narcissistic Personality of the Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian persona (PpPp).

There are a number of reasons why America should back away from becoming involved in attempting to drive a political solution to the Middle East dilemma (the Israeli-Palestinian conflict); yet still, support the protection of the Jewish State. But the "It is all about Me" attitude is not one of the reasons.

Nor is pure nationalism (a single-minded focus, loyalty and devotion to a America) --- what's good for America is good for us, and forget about the rest --- the right posture to assume.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not Israel (or the Palestinian for that matter) is a good neighbor, friend, or ally to America is as unimportant to the issues at hand. Nor is it important that America receive an immediate, short-term, benefit from its involvement, of any consequence. What is important is the maintenance of the original ideals behind the promotion and establishment of the Jewish State. That is, the preservation of a society and culture of a people that has been oppressed down through the ages; the desire to achieve Jewish political independence, with a separate identity and culture but had no state of their own --- against --- a wave of incessant and excessive Arab Nationalism, and its fanatically devotion to Jihad and its self-interests, often associated with a grandiose sense of self-importance, and diametrically opposed to the preservation effort. The PpPp has a sense of entitlement --- unreasonable expectations --- of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with uniquely Arab expectations. The PpPp is totally lacking in any form of empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the aspirations and needs of other cultures; preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, and brilliance --- attributes they consistently fail to demonstrate or achieve in any meaningful way, shape or form.

• The PpPp is often heard to cry "genocide!" Yet little is it remembered that it was the PpPp that "made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition [GA/RES/181(II)]. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child."

• The PpPp is often heard to claim "apartheid!" Yet little is it remembered that the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) Ambassador to the United States (Maen Areikat) said "that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Israelis."

• The PpPp is often heard to complain about "invasion!" Yet little is it remembered that the that on mid-night 14/15 May 1948, UK (Mandatory) relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. And, simultaneously, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. "Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities." The following day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the PpPp in defying Resolution 181(II) of the UN.

Even today, as HAMAS Ministry of Education (under Article 15 of the Covenant - "The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Duty"), where "Jihad" is expressed as an individual duty of every Moslem,

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza's Hamas authorities have blocked a U.N. refugee agency from introducing textbooks promoting human rights into local schools, saying it ignores Palestinian cultural mores and focuses too heavily on "peaceful" means of conflict resolution.

Motesem al-Minawi, spokesman for the Hamas-run Education Ministry, said Thursday that the government believes the curriculum does not match the "ideology and philosophy" of the local population.

But perhaps worst of all, the books focused on “peaceful resistance as the only way of achieving freedom and independence.” The entire eighth grade curriculum, Al-Minawi lamented, is “not dedicated to human rights but to domesticate the psyche of the Palestinian pupil, fostering negative feelings toward armed resistance.”

The PpPp is diametrically opposed the the principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered (A/RES/25/2625). Instead they suggest that there is some legitimacy in "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

Yes, it is important for Americans not to get all tied-up in the bantering of the day and remember the basics of the struggle. The PpPp believe that the very documents that the Jewish People followed as a guide - The Partition of Palestine in 1947 [GA/RES/181(II)], and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. And that the armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. And many of the outspoken PpPp see JIHAD! as the only true solution. "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." (Article 13 - HAMAS Covenant)

Yes, it is important for Americans to understand the scope and nature of the PpPp and the morality for which they stand.

Yes, the Israelis are not perfect. But in saying that, there is a huge magnitude in the difference between the Israeli and the PpPp.

Most Respectfully,
R

Being a Psychology/Pol. Science major I too can see your persona falls under the inferiority complex...just look at your avatar, nice military setting trying to look like George Patton. But George was a straight shooter not the hypocrite with bells and whistles of who sells an invasion of a peaceful people just because the British decided to declared Belfour like the Pirates they have been throughout their history...

Its not for me Rocco, I call a spade a spade...Western Colonialism will never set amongst the Arabs, they will fight for their lands until they win...

That's what I see if Israel does not accept the UN Resolutions and the terms of the Arab League .

 

[pbel]

"...Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out..."

That is far from the impression that one gets when reading your posts over an extended period of time, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

"...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second..."

Nonsense. My loyalties and their priority are: God, Family and Country - and my country is the United States of America. I volunteered and served my country in wartime (non-combat role) and routinely advocate for her best interests in my own real-world interactions.

I am merely one of the vast numbers of Americans who (1) believe that friendship and alliance with Israel is both strategically and tactically advantageous to the United States, (2) understand the deep spiritual connection between Judaism and Christianity and Western culture, (3) are proud of America's commitment to helping the Jews reclaim their ancestral and spiritual homeland and to recover from the Holocaust and (4) realize that disengaging from Israel means that Radical Islam (including the 9-11 terrorists) has won - allowing them to dictate to the United States, whom it may befriend, and whom it may form alliances with, and whom it may not.

But unless Israel turns on the United States, I applaud our ongoing and strong support for Israel, and will continue to counterpoint those who advocate for Palestinian interests, or otherwise for disengaging from our friend and ally.

"...America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own."

Thank you for your opinion on the subject.

As for you Konquistador , I understand now why you jingo about expelling the Palestinians in Eretz Israel, its culturally ingrained...

 

[aris2chat]

all this from the fountain of idiocy...can you link my comments to Islamist sites?

Once again you prove that you are losing the argument by resorting to personal abuse.

Yes I can and have linked all your comments to Islamic sources, you are as bad as the child who uses facebook pages to support his failed arguments.

Prove and provide those links. liar.

Resorting to the "L" word?
Argumentum ad hominem

 

[pbel]

That does not mean that Israel has America in its pocket, it just means that they which strings to pull to get a desired effect. Just as America knows which strings to pull to lead Israel to a different solution

The back tracking of a Zionist soldier caught with his hand in the cookie jar: Phoenall...



N.Y. Times scraps AIPAC from Syria story - POLITICO.com

Administration officials said the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee was already at work pressing for military action against the government of Assad, fearing that if Syria escapes American retribution for its use of chemical weapons, Iran might be emboldened in the future to attack Israel. In the House, the majority leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, the only Jewish Republican in Congress, has long worked to challenge Democrats’ traditional base among Jews.

One administration official, who, like others, declined to be identified discussing White House strategy, called AIPAC “the 800-pound gorilla in the room,” and said its allies in Congress had to be saying, “If the White House is not capable of enforcing this red line” against the catastrophic use of chemical weapons, “we’re in trouble.”

So when was it they, AIPAC, forced the USA to take action against Syria and Assad. Did it happen in your fantasy world, or was it on the 5th plane of existence. If there has been no ass kicking then we can safely say THAT YOU ARE A LYING POS ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST.

The Neocons, Israel, and the Iraq War


July 17, 2003
The Guardian (UK)
The Spies Who Pushed for War

Shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force

by Julian Borger
The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government, much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for war. . . .

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

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Michael Lind, "Israel Lobby Distorts U.S. Foreign Policy," Prospect Magazine, April 2002

"Whose War? Israel's Say Jewish Writers," The Wisdom Fund, March 12, 2003

[But the argument [installing a new regime in Iraq will foster the spread of democracy] has been pushed hardest by a group of officials and advisors who have been the leading proponents of going to war with Iraq. Prominent among them are Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, and Richard Perle, --Greg Miller, "Democracy Domino Theory 'Not Credible'," Los Angeles Times, March 14, 2003]
[Woolsey, one of the most high-profile hawks in the war against Iraq and a key member of the Pentagon's Defence Policy Board, is a director of the Washington-based private equity firm Paladin Capital. . . .

 

[Kondor3]

Being a psychology/Pol. Science major I too can see your persona falls under the inferiority complex...just look at your avatar, nice military setting trying to look like George Patton...

Wow... Psych AND PoliSci?... Golly-gosh gee-willikers, Emmy Lou !!! ... you are so wise, and well-educated, and in multiple disciplines, no less!!! ... surely your training and superior intellect and superior insights into the people and the world at-large will put us all to shame by comparison, and cause us to scamper, and abandon our position, when your Light of Education and Reason and Righteousness are turned upon all of us Neanderthal supporters of Israel !!!

What a crock of shit.

"...But George was a straight shooter not the a hypocrite with bells and whistles of who sells an invasion of a peaceful people just because the British decided to declare Belfour, like the Pirates they have been throughout their history..."

I do not recall the British manifesting pirate-like behavior in connection with Palestine; rather, they conquered Palestine from the Ottomans as part and parcel of prosecuting the war against the Central Powers during WWI, they had promised a Jewish homeland as a matter of war-expediency in order to enlist the support of the Jews of Palestine and elsewhere in the British Empire, and both their control of Palestine and the intentions behind Balfour were confirmed by the premier international governance and collaboration polity of the times - the League of Nations.

The idea that this Inconvenient Truth vexes you pro-Palestinian Fifth-Columnist types immeasurably and that it bars your way to otherwise de-legitimizing modern-day Jewish claims to a piece of that land, is immaterial to the facts as these played out (and continue to play out) in the Real World, in direct contravention to what you would like it to be. Fortunately, you-and-yours don't have the final say in such things.

I would have thought that a Psych Major would have a better handle on Self-Delusion.

"...Its not for me Rocco, I call a spade a spade...Western Colonialism will never set amongst the Arabs, they will fight for their lands until they win..."

Then they must fight for their lands until they win.

Or die trying.

Or become worn-out and give up, as Muslims and Arabs so oftentimes do.

The likelihood of this latter outcome materializing approaches 1, in light of Jordanian and Egyptian blockades and shunnings and abandonment of their old Palestinian clientele.

"...That's what I see if Israel does not accept the UN terms of the Arab League."

Others see it much differently, and their opinions are at least as valid and likely to materialize as future outcomes as your own vision might.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out..."

That is far from the impression that one gets when reading your posts over an extended period of time, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.


Nonsense. My loyalties and their priority are: God, Family and Country - and my country is the United States of America. I volunteered and served my country in wartime (non-combat role) and routinely advocate for her best interests in my own real-world interactions.

I am merely one of the vast numbers of Americans who (1) believe that friendship and alliance with Israel is both strategically and tactically advantageous to the United States, (2) understand the deep spiritual connection between Judaism and Christianity and Western culture, (3) are proud of America's commitment to helping the Jews reclaim their ancestral and spiritual homeland and to recover from the Holocaust and (4) realize that disengaging from Israel means that Radical Islam (including the 9-11 terrorists) has won - allowing them to dictate to the United States, whom it may befriend, and whom it may form alliances with, and whom it may not.

But unless Israel turns on the United States, I applaud our ongoing and strong support for Israel, and will continue to counterpoint those who advocate for Palestinian interests, or otherwise for disengaging from our friend and ally.

"...America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own."

Thank you for your opinion on the subject.

As for you Konquistador , I understand now why you jingo about expelling the Palestinians in Eretz Israel, its culturally ingrained...

I don't 'jingo' about expelling the Palestinians.

I perceive such a large-scale Eviction and Expulsion as the most likely End-Game for Israel in connection with the Palestinian Troubles, and the only one guaranteed to give her peace within the confines of her own borders.

You underestimate the power of Religion and Emotional Commitment that the Jews have to completing their Reconquista and retaking all of old Eretz Yisrael, and the hardening of the heart and desperation to which 2000 years of persecution and the outright slaughter of 6,000,000 of their own within living memory has driven them.

In the end, to avoid the results of a shifting population demographic, they will have no choice but to drive out the Palestinians and to fill the vacuum with Jews, in order to preseve their resurrected homeland as a Jewish State.

This is not a culturally-ingrained mantra or perspective.

It is cold, hard, brutal, merciless logic.

The rest is merely an explanation of why such a logical outcome pleases so many - myself included - rather than the culturally-imposed bias-as-prediction to which you mistakenly attribute it.

One would think that a person boasting such a wealth of cross-training would have done a better job of making such necessary distinctions as a tactical necessity incumbent upon one's own advocacy efforts.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

Having a career in government service (of one sort or another), from the time I served in Vietnam (1970) until my return from Yemen (2010), I had a multitude of pictures I could have chosen as an Avatar; many of which much more militaristic than the Baghdad picture I use (notice it shows not a single weapon nor military TA-50). It is rather a benign photo telling very little of where or when it was taken; or what organizational affiliation it may disclose. Certainly, the polo shirt and 5.11s tell you nothing.

GEN Patton would have surely --- had a more dynamic pose. I don't emulate other people, I am just who I am; no frills as you've implied. But many thanks for the compliment.

Being a Psychology/Pol. Science major I too can see your persona falls under the inferiority complex...just look at your avatar, nice military setting trying to look like George Patton. But George was a straight shooter not the hypocrite with bells and whistles of who sells an invasion of a peaceful people just because the British decided to declared Belfour like the Pirates they have been throughout their history...

Its not for me Rocco, I call a spade a spade...Western Colonialism will never set amongst the Arabs, they will fight for their lands until they win...

That's what I see if Israel does not accept the UN Resolutions and the terms of the Arab League .

(COMMENT)

It makes very little difference how long the Palestinian and pro-Palestinian people choose to aggravate and extend the conflict. They only hurt themselves. In another half century, there will not be any Palestinians remaining that had Mandate era citizenship or residency outside the security barrier. There will be no Jihadist or Fedayeen leadership remaining that had any first hand experiences before the 1948 Israeli War of Independence. They will have no idea what in the world they are fighting about. All they will know is that because of their history of past criminal behaviors, and the perspective in my previous posting (#2726 supra) they wasted an enormous amount of time and effort pursuing Jihadist and Fedayeen objectives, instead of building a free and self-sufficient, self-governing state that is both sound and prosperous; something to be proud of --- a legacy for their descendants.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

Wrong way round the land that you call Palestine was originally promised to the Jews, so that is the legal position.

Hamas is stating a personal opinion that they have been told is not on the cards and is against the UN charter

There was never any law or agreement that promised all of the land of Palestine, to the Jews and the Jews alone.

This is an old Nazionist claim.

sykes-picot, balfour, mandate article IV, peel, UN 181

 

[Victory67]

sykes-picot, balfour, mandate article IV, peel, UN 181

You have misread all of those agreemants, declarations, and resolutions.

None of them give all of Palestine to the Jews exclusively.

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

This, unfortunately, is an example and extension of the "It is All About ME, ME, ME!" attitude. It is extremely common in the Narcissistic Personality of the Palestinian and Pro-Palestinian persona (PpPp).

There are a number of reasons why America should back away from becoming involved in attempting to drive a political solution to the Middle East dilemma (the Israeli-Palestinian conflict); yet still, support the protection of the Jewish State. But the "It is all about Me" attitude is not one of the reasons.

Nor is pure nationalism (a single-minded focus, loyalty and devotion to a America) --- what's good for America is good for us, and forget about the rest --- the right posture to assume.

Frankly I could care less about the players in this conflict...History and Demographics will sort it out...But Zionists like you would sell out America for Israel in a New York second.

America should get the F out of that quagmire and should outlaw American Lobbies that cater to foreign governments with different interests than our-own.

(COMMENT)

Whether or not Israel (or the Palestinian for that matter) is a good neighbor, friend, or ally to America is as unimportant to the issues at hand. Nor is it important that America receive an immediate, short-term, benefit from its involvement, of any consequence. What is important is the maintenance of the original ideals behind the promotion and establishment of the Jewish State. That is, the preservation of a society and culture of a people that has been oppressed down through the ages; the desire to achieve Jewish political independence, with a separate identity and culture but had no state of their own --- against --- a wave of incessant and excessive Arab Nationalism, and its fanatically devotion to Jihad and its self-interests, often associated with a grandiose sense of self-importance, and diametrically opposed to the preservation effort. The PpPp has a sense of entitlement --- unreasonable expectations --- of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with uniquely Arab expectations. The PpPp is totally lacking in any form of empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the aspirations and needs of other cultures; preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, and brilliance --- attributes they consistently fail to demonstrate or achieve in any meaningful way, shape or form.

• The PpPp is often heard to cry "genocide!" Yet little is it remembered that it was the PpPp that "made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition [GA/RES/181(II)]. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child."

• The PpPp is often heard to claim "apartheid!" Yet little is it remembered that the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) Ambassador to the United States (Maen Areikat) said "that any future Palestinian state it seeks with help from the United Nations and the United States should be free of Israelis."

• The PpPp is often heard to complain about "invasion!" Yet little is it remembered that the that on mid-night 14/15 May 1948, UK (Mandatory) relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. And, simultaneously, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. "Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities." The following day, regular troops of the neighbouring Arab States entered the territory to assist the PpPp in defying Resolution 181(II) of the UN.

Even today, as HAMAS Ministry of Education (under Article 15 of the Covenant - "The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Duty"), where "Jihad" is expressed as an individual duty of every Moslem,

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza's Hamas authorities have blocked a U.N. refugee agency from introducing textbooks promoting human rights into local schools, saying it ignores Palestinian cultural mores and focuses too heavily on "peaceful" means of conflict resolution.

Motesem al-Minawi, spokesman for the Hamas-run Education Ministry, said Thursday that the government believes the curriculum does not match the "ideology and philosophy" of the local population.

But perhaps worst of all, the books focused on “peaceful resistance as the only way of achieving freedom and independence.” The entire eighth grade curriculum, Al-Minawi lamented, is “not dedicated to human rights but to domesticate the psyche of the Palestinian pupil, fostering negative feelings toward armed resistance.”

The PpPp is diametrically opposed the the principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered (A/RES/25/2625). Instead they suggest that there is some legitimacy in "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

Yes, it is important for Americans not to get all tied-up in the bantering of the day and remember the basics of the struggle. The PpPp believe that the very documents that the Jewish People followed as a guide - The Partition of Palestine in 1947 [GA/RES/181(II)], and the establishment of the state of Israel are entirely illegal, The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. And that the armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. And many of the outspoken PpPp see JIHAD! as the only true solution. "Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement." (Article 13 - HAMAS Covenant)

Yes, it is important for Americans to understand the scope and nature of the PpPp and the morality for which they stand.

Yes, the Israelis are not perfect. But in saying that, there is a huge magnitude in the difference between the Israeli and the PpPp.

Most Respectfully,
R

Being a Psychology/Pol. Science major I too can see your persona falls under the inferiority complex...just look at your avatar, nice military setting trying to look like George Patton. But George was a straight shooter not the hypocrite with bells and whistles of who sells an invasion of a peaceful people just because the British decided to declared Belfour like the Pirates they have been throughout their history...

Its not for me Rocco, I call a spade a spade...Western Colonialism will never set amongst the Arabs, they will fight for their lands until they win...

That's what I see if Israel does not accept the UN Resolutions and the terms of the Arab League .

Obviously you could't handle the truth in his post and the reality of the conflict, so you start off your argument with insulting how the man looks in his avatar...
You should not have bothered to have responded to this post, it's obviously beyond what you are capable of processing.
Instead you gave us your usual shtick about how The Arabs will overwhelm Israel with demographics blah blah. Such a crock of drek.