I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

"...Does it matter what was?..."

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

Israel has tried 'Land for Peace' deals before.

Those never work out very well.

I think they've learned their lesson.

No point in skedaddling back to the 1967 lines, when there will simply be more demands after a brief interlude.

Bottom line: the Arabs will not be content until they have it all.

Israel requires ownership and control of the entire region - River to Sea - the white area on the map, below...

...in order to have defensible borders that can be sustained for centuries and generations.

And they are going to get them.

They've heard the land-for-peace bullshit once too often.

Can't blame 'em for laughing at such, nowadays.

That window of opportunity closed quite some time ago.

Unlike their Palestinian counterparts, the Israelis are not fools.

To be honest you're beginning to sound like Daffy Duck if you think the Israelis are going to shoot up the Palestinians out of the Occupied territories.

They don't need to as the rest of islam will do that job for them, and give the land to Israel as a compensation package. Egypt has declared war on hamas, Jordan has declared war on hamas, Saudi has declared war on hamas. So what chance do the Palestinians have left if the peace talks fail. This is the fault of the arab spring and why the coalition of Jordan, Saudi, Egypt and Israel will prevail over extremist islam.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

A deal was on the Table in 1993 as well... And in 2000... And in 2008.. All of them were REJECTED Pbel.

Boycotts will do little harm to Israel and they certainly wont force Israel to shrink her territory for yet ANOTHER Muslim Arab state.

Also, the 67 borders is only some of what they are asking for. They want right of return which would DEFINITELY damage the Jewish State. Then there's release of prisoners post Oslo accords.

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

Did he? I must have missed it if so

PA: No Peace Without Full 'Right of Return'

PA chief Mahmoud Abbas said that the "fate" of Arab refugees must be resolved if a peace treaty is to be achieved with Israel.


By David Lev
First Publish: 11/18/2013, 6:14 PM

At a joint press conference Monday with French President Francois Hollande, Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas said that the fate of what he said were 5 million Arab refugees must be resolved if a peace treaty is to be achieved with Israel. That must come in addition to the establishment of a PA state in all of Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem.

The official policy of the Palestinian Authority is to demand repatriation for the descendants of Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 to their original homes in Israel, thus flooding the Jewish state with Arab refugees and effectively erasing Israel from the map, replacing it with a “secular, democratic Palestine.”

In a law approved by the PA parliament in 2008, and signed into law by Abbas, the “right of return of Palestinian refugees to their homes and property, along with compensation for their suffering, is a holy cornerstone of their rights that cannot be negotiated away. There will be no consideration of negotiation on this issue, nor will there be a referendum on it,” the law says.

More here:
PA: No Peace Without Full 'Right of Return' - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News

 

[SAYIT]

Does it matter what was? A deal is on the table for peace...The UN has approved those borders by recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state...If Peace fails the UN will recognize Palestine with full status and membership and Israel will be further boycotted and censured.

A deal was on the Table in 1993 as well... And in 2000... And in 2008.. All of them were REJECTED Pbel.

Boycotts will do little harm to Israel and they certainly wont force Israel to shrink her territory for yet ANOTHER Muslim Arab state.

Also, the 67 borders is only some of what they are asking for. They want right of return which would DEFINITELY damage the Jewish State. Then there's release of prisoners post Oslo accords.

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote and so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

 

[Phoenall]

Let's put it this way, Pbel. You have always been thought of by many as loco en la cabeza. So tell us, Pbel, when are you ever going to contribute anything about what is happening to the Middle East in general. People are being murdered there all the time just because of their religious beliefs. I guess all those dead people mean nothing to you as long as you have the chance to castigate Israel.

Why do you find it so hard to castigate Israel, on things Israel should be castigated about?

Like what, and try and be realistic on your alleged charges of apartheid and disregard for international law.

 

[Phoenall]

Does it matter what was? A deal is on the table for peace...The UN has approved those borders by recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state...If Peace fails the UN will recognize Palestine with full status and membership and Israel will be further boycotted and censured.

A deal was on the Table in 1993 as well... And in 2000... And in 2008.. All of them were REJECTED Pbel.

Boycotts will do little harm to Israel and they certainly wont force Israel to shrink her territory for yet ANOTHER Muslim Arab state.

Also, the 67 borders is only some of what they are asking for. They want right of return which would DEFINITELY damage the Jewish State. Then there's release of prisoners post Oslo accords.

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

over 1 million Jews expelled or murdered from Islamic nations by the muslims, less than 10,000 arabs expelled from Israel is quite a discrepancy. The UN resolutions call on those wishing the return to denounce all violence, terrorism and takeover bids before they will accede to their right of return, up to the present time not one arab has accepted these terms.

 

[toastman]

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

Did he? I must have missed it if so

PA: No Peace Without Full 'Right of Return'

PA chief Mahmoud Abbas said that the "fate" of Arab refugees must be resolved if a peace treaty is to be achieved with Israel.


By David Lev
First Publish: 11/18/2013, 6:14 PM

At a joint press conference Monday with French President Francois Hollande, Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas said that the fate of what he said were 5 million Arab refugees must be resolved if a peace treaty is to be achieved with Israel. That must come in addition to the establishment of a PA state in all of Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem.

The official policy of the Palestinian Authority is to demand repatriation for the descendants of Arabs who fled Israel in 1948 to their original homes in Israel, thus flooding the Jewish state with Arab refugees and effectively erasing Israel from the map, replacing it with a “secular, democratic Palestine.”

In a law approved by the PA parliament in 2008, and signed into law by Abbas, the “right of return of Palestinian refugees to their homes and property, along with compensation for their suffering, is a holy cornerstone of their rights that cannot be negotiated away. There will be no consideration of negotiation on this issue, nor will there be a referendum on it,” the law says.

More here:
PA: No Peace Without Full 'Right of Return' - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News

Yes, because I'm sure their houses are atill there, vacant and waiting for them to move in

Either way. RoR is NOT HAPPENING!

 

[pbel]

A deal was on the Table in 1993 as well... And in 2000... And in 2008.. All of them were REJECTED Pbel.

Boycotts will do little harm to Israel and they certainly wont force Israel to shrink her territory for yet ANOTHER Muslim Arab state.

Also, the 67 borders is only some of what they are asking for. They want right of return which would DEFINITELY damage the Jewish State. Then there's release of prisoners post Oslo accords.

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote an so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

Ariel Sharon undoubtedly said that to Peres...is there prima facie proof? No...Is there circumstantial evidence? Yes, tons of it...Just look at the US Congress which dances to the AIPAC looney tunes and the money spent or read the Walt/ Mearsheimer study...

 

[pbel]

A deal was on the Table in 1993 as well... And in 2000... And in 2008.. All of them were REJECTED Pbel.

Boycotts will do little harm to Israel and they certainly wont force Israel to shrink her territory for yet ANOTHER Muslim Arab state.

Also, the 67 borders is only some of what they are asking for. They want right of return which would DEFINITELY damage the Jewish State. Then there's release of prisoners post Oslo accords.

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote an so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

Ariel Sharon undoubtedly said that to Peres...is there prima facie proof? No...Is there circumstantial evidence? Yes, tons of it...Just look at the US Congress which dances to the AIPAC looney tunes and the money spent or read the Walt/ Mearsheimer study...

The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[SAYIT]

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote an so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

Ariel Sharon undoubtedly said that to Peres...is there prima facie proof? No...Is there circumstantial evidence? Yes, tons of it...Just look at the US Congress which dances to the AIPAC looney tunes and the money spent or read the Walt/ Mearsheimer study...

You are arguing that the sun revolves around the earth. Is it possible that he said it?
Of course.
Does the fact that only the pro-Hamas Islamic Association for Palestine heard it make it highly likely to be camel crap?
Of course.
The bottom line remains Abbas admits he has no authority to negotiate away the so-called "right of return."

 

[pbel]

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote an so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

Ariel Sharon undoubtedly said that to Peres...is there prima facie proof? No...Is there circumstantial evidence? Yes, tons of it...Just look at the US Congress which dances to the AIPAC looney tunes and the money spent or read the Walt/ Mearsheimer study...

You are arguing that the sun revolves around the earth. Is it possible that he said it?
Of course.
Does the fact that only the pro-Hamas Islamic Association for Palestine heard it make it highly likely to be camel crap?
Of course.
The bottom line remains Abbas admits he has no authority to negotiate away the so-called "right of return."

You are not looking at the facts...The Israeli Lobby in America controls what happens in the ME...you only need to look that the actions follow the so called Sharon Statement, plus the fact that the thugs persona is all over that statement.

I also have a YouTube video in which Netanyahu tells that "don't worry, America is easily moved..."

That statement may well describe why peace is not possible, because Israel through its American lobby calls the shots for Israel which is not done stealing Arab Lands.

The truth be known!


https://www.google.com/search?q=Net...F-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7NDKB_enUS576

Netanyahu: 'America is a thing you can move very easily' - Blogs



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The Washington Post





Jul 16, 2010 - "I know what America is," Netanyahu told a group of terror victims, ..... Don´t worry about the Americans, we jews control the Americans, and the ...

 

[pbel]

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905

Israel has tried 'Land for Peace' deals before.

Those never work out very well.

I think they've learned their lesson.

No point in skedaddling back to the 1967 lines, when there will simply be more demands after a brief interlude.

Bottom line: the Arabs will not be content until they have it all.

Israel requires ownership and control of the entire region - River to Sea - the white area on the map, below...

...in order to have defensible borders that can be sustained for centuries and generations.

And they are going to get them.

They've heard the land-for-peace bullshit once too often.

Can't blame 'em for laughing at such, nowadays.

That window of opportunity closed quite some time ago.

Unlike their Palestinian counterparts, the Israelis are not fools.

To be honest you're beginning to sound like Daffy Duck if you think the Israelis are going to shoot up the Palestinians out of the Occupied territories.

They don't need to as the rest of islam will do that job for them, and give the land to Israel as a compensation package. Egypt has declared war on hamas, Jordan has declared war on hamas, Saudi has declared war on hamas. So what chance do the Palestinians have left if the peace talks fail. This is the fault of the arab spring and why the coalition of Jordan, Saudi, Egypt and Israel will prevail over extremist islam.

Hey, I have always declared war on Hamas...Those people should be tried as war criminals for shooting rockets and instigating retaliation killing many innocents.

 

[Billo_Really]

Like what, and try and be realistic on your alleged charges of apartheid and disregard for international law.

That's a pretty dumbass question coming from someone who spends all their time making up their own reality.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hey, I have always declared war on Hamas...Those people should be tried as war criminals for shooting rockets and instigating retaliation killing many innocents.

What about when Hamas puts in street lights in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top, which group committed the terrorist act?

Israel is guilty of 10 times the incidents Hamas is accused of.

The rockets are war crimes because they are considered "indiscriminant weapons". If they had guidance systems and were only aimed at military targets, they would be perfectly legal under international law.

 

[pbel]

Hey, I have always declared war on Hamas...Those people should be tried as war criminals for shooting rockets and instigating retaliation killing many innocents.

What about when Hamas puts in street lights in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top, which group committed the terrorist act?

Israel is guilty of 10 times the incidents Hamas is accused of.

The rockets are war crimes because they are considered "indiscriminant weapons". If they had guidance systems and were only aimed at military targets, they would be perfectly legal under international law.

Look at it in a realistic military and humanitarian level...Gaza is tightly knit, innocent people who are not combatants can not escape the death traps....Putting your people at a risk that has no hope of achieving any gain except death is criminal in my view.

Fatah is successful in the world because Abbas offers peace, and he is winning.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Fatah is successful in the world because Abbas offers peace, and he is winning."

Given that Fatah lost the last general election and then refused to stand down, so that Hamas broke off with them...

Now that Abbas is offering peace, all you have to do is to convince the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who vigorously deny that Abbas is speaking for them when he offers peace...

Oh, and somebody should probably check-in with Hamas, as well, to see if they're on-board with Abbas on this...

Bottom line... until the Palestinians have representation that speaks for all of them... until they stop squabbling amongst themselves...

Representations of peace by one side or the other are worthless, if the rest of that bunch isn't on-board...

That doesn't look like 'winning', to me... only the side that is foaming at the mouth the least... and that is the Hope du Jour, to eventually speak for all...

 

[Phoenall]

No massive right of return is proper especially since Sephardic Jews were expelled from Arabic countries. I thought Abbas moderated that claim/.

As with your bogus Ariel Sharon quote an so many of your opinions, there is a wide chasm between what you think and the truth.

Ariel Sharon undoubtedly said that to Peres...is there prima facie proof? No...Is there circumstantial evidence? Yes, tons of it...Just look at the US Congress which dances to the AIPAC looney tunes and the money spent or read the Walt/ Mearsheimer study...

All your circumstantial evidence is from Islamic sources, so is voided straight away

 

[Phoenall]

Like what, and try and be realistic on your alleged charges of apartheid and disregard for international law.

That's a pretty dumbass question coming from someone who spends all their time making up their own reality.

Lost the argument again so resort to personal abuse..............

 

[Kondor3]

Like what, and try and be realistic on your alleged charges of apartheid and disregard for international law.

That's a pretty dumbass question coming from someone who spends all their time making up their own reality.

Translation: I can't think of anything, so I'll just try to deflect attention away from that fact." Standard-fare at 6th grade junior high Debate Club practice sessions.

 

[Phoenall]

Hey, I have always declared war on Hamas...Those people should be tried as war criminals for shooting rockets and instigating retaliation killing many innocents.

What about when Hamas puts in street lights in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top, which group committed the terrorist act?

Israel is guilty of 10 times the incidents Hamas is accused of.

The rockets are war crimes because they are considered "indiscriminant weapons". If they had guidance systems and were only aimed at military targets, they would be perfectly legal under international law.

How so , give the relevant part of the Geneva conventions that say it is permissible to fire weapons at a sovereign nation without justification. If hamas is allowed to fire weapons at Israel then surely Israel is also allowed to fire at VALID MILITARY TARGETS in gaza. This means that any area that is used for military purposes is a valid MILITARY TARGET. Which you seem to think is against International Law to target rocket launching sites and hamas commanders .

 

[Kondor3]

Hey, I have always declared war on Hamas...Those people should be tried as war criminals for shooting rockets and instigating retaliation killing many innocents.

What about when Hamas puts in street lights in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top, which group committed the terrorist act?

Israel is guilty of 10 times the incidents Hamas is accused of.

The rockets are war crimes because they are considered "indiscriminant weapons". If they had guidance systems and were only aimed at military targets, they would be perfectly legal under international law.

How so , give the relevant part of the Geneva conventions that say it is permissible to fire weapons at a sovereign nation without justification. If hamas is allowed to fire weapons at Israel then surely Israel is also allowed to fire at VALID MILITARY TARGETS in gaza. This means that any area that is used for military purposes is a valid MILITARY TARGET. Which you seem to think is against International Law to target rocket launching sites and hamas commanders .

Welcome to Little Billy's Amateur-Hour International Law Symposium and Finest Kind Hamas Whorehouse... no interpretation too self-serving or obtuse or disingenuous.

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