I will not Bow!

[Phoenall]

Billo, I've been on this board many years, Phoeney-all is a sick double talking liar who fails to give links to his statements...I try very hard not to debate people who lie.

Since Phoenall only joined this board two years ago, you certainly have not seen his posts here for many years. However, those who know you from elsewhere realize that the entire Middle East could be on fire with thousands and thousands of people being killed every day and you, as usual, would still be focusing only on Israel. At least you have given up making poems about people you don't like, pulling out your coloring box, and lastly fighting with a young Jewish police officer, making sure you kept telling her about the police eating donuts. That really was a great discussion regarding the Middle East in general. I wonder how anyone would debate someone who kept on bringing up donuts and police officers.

I have a sense of humor Sally, but sadly you're airhead numero uno.

If you did have a sense of humour you would find this very funny

 

[pbel]

Since Phoenall only joined this board two years ago, you certainly have not seen his posts here for many years. However, those who know you from elsewhere realize that the entire Middle East could be on fire with thousands and thousands of people being killed every day and you, as usual, would still be focusing only on Israel. At least you have given up making poems about people you don't like, pulling out your coloring box, and lastly fighting with a young Jewish police officer, making sure you kept telling her about the police eating donuts. That really was a great discussion regarding the Middle East in general. I wonder how anyone would debate someone who kept on bringing up donuts and police officers.

I have a sense of humor Sally, but sadly you're airhead numero uno.

Let's put it this way, Pbel. You have always been thought of by many as loco en la cabeza. So tell us, Pbel, when are you ever going to contribute anything about what is happening to the Middle East in general. People are being murdered there all the time just because of their religious beliefs. I guess all those dead people mean nothing to you as long as you have the chance to castigate Israel.

What is happening in the Arab awakening is that the people of the region want to kick out all the Dictators kings and sheiks whose corruptions have robbed these people of a decent life...The USA, Israel and the Sheiks have colluded together to keep them in line...

This is the core of the revolt and it will never be stopped by anyone....

When the dust clears in 20-30 years the Arab Masses will prosper...that prosperity of the future is a bad omen for Israel whom the people hate because she colluded to keep them down.

 

[Sally]

I have a sense of humor Sally, but sadly you're airhead numero uno.

Let's put it this way, Pbel. You have always been thought of by many as loco en la cabeza. So tell us, Pbel, when are you ever going to contribute anything about what is happening to the Middle East in general. People are being murdered there all the time just because of their religious beliefs. I guess all those dead people mean nothing to you as long as you have the chance to castigate Israel.

What is happening in the Arab awakening is that the people of the region want to kick out all the Dictators kings and sheiks whose corruptions have robbed these people of a decent life...The USA, Israel and the Sheiks have colluded together to keep them in line...

This is the core of the revolt and it will never be stopped by anyone....

When the dust clears in 20-30 years the Arab Masses will prosper...that prosperity of the future is a bad omen for Israel whom the people hate because she colluded to keep them down.

Yes, Pbel, that is why the extremists have claimed that Syria is the stepping stone for the brand new Caiphate. This is also why you see these Jihadists coming into Syria from all parts of the world. Since you have had nothing to say about how some of those extremists are pushing the Christians into Dhimmitude in Syria, maybe you, too, are looking forward to becoming a Dhimmi. Have you ever thought that the Musslim masses in the Middle East as well as places like Southeast Asia might prosper if they would stop being so busy murdering those Muslims of different sects as well as those who are non Muslims? Wouldn't it be better for them to concentrate on education in the 21st century instead of them plotting to kill innocent others. Perhaps in time (hopefully with my fingers crossed) in the Muslim world, the people will wake up that if you have tolerance in religion and concentrate into pulling your people into the modern world instead of killing, they might be better off.

 

[pbel]

Let's put it this way, Pbel. You have always been thought of by many as loco en la cabeza. So tell us, Pbel, when are you ever going to contribute anything about what is happening to the Middle East in general. People are being murdered there all the time just because of their religious beliefs. I guess all those dead people mean nothing to you as long as you have the chance to castigate Israel.

What is happening in the Arab awakening is that the people of the region want to kick out all the Dictators kings and sheiks whose corruptions have robbed these people of a decent life...The USA, Israel and the Sheiks have colluded together to keep them in line...

This is the core of the revolt and it will never be stopped by anyone....

When the dust clears in 20-30 years the Arab Masses will prosper...that prosperity of the future is a bad omen for Israel whom the people hate because she colluded to keep them down.

Yes, Pbel, that is why the extremists have claimed that Syria is the stepping stone for the brand new Caiphate. This is also why you see these Jihadists coming into Syria from all parts of the world. Since you have had nothing to say about how some of those extremists are pushing the Christians into Dhimmitude in Syria, maybe you, too, are looking forward to becoming a Dhimmi. Have you ever thought that the Musslim masses in the Middle East as well as places like Southeast Asia might prosper if they would stop being so busy murdering those Muslims of different sects as well as those who are non Muslims? Wouldn't it be better for them to concentrate on education in the 21st century instead of them plotting to kill innocent others. Perhaps in time (hopefully with my fingers crossed) in the Muslim world, the people will wake up that if you have tolerance in religion and concentrate into pulling your people into the modern world instead of killing, they might be better off.

Such nice morality but say nothing about Israeli land thefts or Western Imperialism in the ME that causes this bloodshed...

Like the Revolutions of 1848 in Europe which threw out all the kings save England, the ME will too achieve this Political development soon...

 

[toastman]

Israel is what causes bloodshed in the ME Pbel, is that what you just said??

 

[pbel]

Israel is what causes bloodshed in the ME Pbel, is that what you just said??

Yes, as the vanguard to Western Imperialism that gives the Sheiks, kings and dictators their corrupt money and robs the average person a decent living...

That's why they revolt Toast...

 

[Sally]

What is happening in the Arab awakening is that the people of the region want to kick out all the Dictators kings and sheiks whose corruptions have robbed these people of a decent life...The USA, Israel and the Sheiks have colluded together to keep them in line...

This is the core of the revolt and it will never be stopped by anyone....

When the dust clears in 20-30 years the Arab Masses will prosper...that prosperity of the future is a bad omen for Israel whom the people hate because she colluded to keep them down.

Yes, Pbel, that is why the extremists have claimed that Syria is the stepping stone for the brand new Caiphate. This is also why you see these Jihadists coming into Syria from all parts of the world. Since you have had nothing to say about how some of those extremists are pushing the Christians into Dhimmitude in Syria, maybe you, too, are looking forward to becoming a Dhimmi. Have you ever thought that the Musslim masses in the Middle East as well as places like Southeast Asia might prosper if they would stop being so busy murdering those Muslims of different sects as well as those who are non Muslims? Wouldn't it be better for them to concentrate on education in the 21st century instead of them plotting to kill innocent others. Perhaps in time (hopefully with my fingers crossed) in the Muslim world, the people will wake up that if you have tolerance in religion and concentrate into pulling your people into the modern world instead of killing, they might be better off.

Such nice morality but say nothing about Israeli land thefts or Western Imperialism in the ME that causes this bloodshed...

Like the Revolutions of 1848 in Europe which threw out all the kings save England, the ME will too achieve this Political development soon...

Pbel, you are not really fooling anyone, and that is why whatever you say is just fluffed off as being the same old, same old stuff you have been saying for years. If there were no Jews governing Israel, the Muslims would hate them all the same. They have hated them since the inception of Islam. Aris seems to be the one educated in all of this, being brough up in the Middle East. Ask her about this since she has studied this phenomena for a long time. I realize you are salivating over the possible fall of Israel, and it is quite obvious that you don't care about the thousands and thousands (even millions) killed in the name of Islam since you can't blame the Jews or America for this. Do you really think all those suicide and car bombings in Pakistan, for instance, have anything to do with Israel or the U.S. or have they to do with one sect hating the other sect?

 

[pbel]

Yes, Pbel, that is why the extremists have claimed that Syria is the stepping stone for the brand new Caiphate. This is also why you see these Jihadists coming into Syria from all parts of the world. Since you have had nothing to say about how some of those extremists are pushing the Christians into Dhimmitude in Syria, maybe you, too, are looking forward to becoming a Dhimmi. Have you ever thought that the Musslim masses in the Middle East as well as places like Southeast Asia might prosper if they would stop being so busy murdering those Muslims of different sects as well as those who are non Muslims? Wouldn't it be better for them to concentrate on education in the 21st century instead of them plotting to kill innocent others. Perhaps in time (hopefully with my fingers crossed) in the Muslim world, the people will wake up that if you have tolerance in religion and concentrate into pulling your people into the modern world instead of killing, they might be better off.

Such nice morality but say nothing about Israeli land thefts or Western Imperialism in the ME that causes this bloodshed...

Like the Revolutions of 1848 in Europe which threw out all the kings save England, the ME will too achieve this Political development soon...

Pbel, you are not really fooling anyone, and that is why whatever you say is just fluffed off as being the same old, same old stuff you have been saying for years. If there were no Jews governing Israel, the Muslims would hate them all the same. They have hated them since the inception of Islam. Aris seems to be the one educated in all of this, being brough up in the Middle East. Ask her about this since she has studied this phenomena for a long time. I realize you are salivating over the possible fall of Israel, and it is quite obvious that you don't care about the thousands and thousands (even millions) killed in the name of Islam since you can't blame the Jews or America for this. Do you really think all those suicide and car bombings in Pakistan, for instance, have anything to do with Israel or the U.S. or have they to do with one sect hating the other sect?

Oh Sally, when you keep attacking the messenger rather than the message, or fly off on a tangent in Pakistan and dwell on hate rather than Justice by ignoring all UN resolutions and even USA pressure on the occupation, I repeat the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, I can understand your frustration and motive.

 

[Sally]

Such nice morality but say nothing about Israeli land thefts or Western Imperialism in the ME that causes this bloodshed...

Like the Revolutions of 1848 in Europe which threw out all the kings save England, the ME will too achieve this Political development soon...

Pbel, you are not really fooling anyone, and that is why whatever you say is just fluffed off as being the same old, same old stuff you have been saying for years. If there were no Jews governing Israel, the Muslims would hate them all the same. They have hated them since the inception of Islam. Aris seems to be the one educated in all of this, being brough up in the Middle East. Ask her about this since she has studied this phenomena for a long time. I realize you are salivating over the possible fall of Israel, and it is quite obvious that you don't care about the thousands and thousands (even millions) killed in the name of Islam since you can't blame the Jews or America for this. Do you really think all those suicide and car bombings in Pakistan, for instance, have anything to do with Israel or the U.S. or have they to do with one sect hating the other sect?

Oh Sally, when you keep attacking the messenger rather than the message, or fly off on a tangent in Pakistan and dwell on hate rather than Justice by ignoring all UN resolutions and even USA pressure on the occupation, I repeat the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, I can understand your frustration and motive.

But you see, Pbel, many of us who have been reading you a long, long time know you and realize that you are only focused on Israel and never have really been interested in what is happening elsewhere no matter how many dead bodies are lying on the ground because of being murdered for their religious beliefs. You might think you are fooling everyone, but you really aren't.

 

[pbel]

Pbel, you are not really fooling anyone, and that is why whatever you say is just fluffed off as being the same old, same old stuff you have been saying for years. If there were no Jews governing Israel, the Muslims would hate them all the same. They have hated them since the inception of Islam. Aris seems to be the one educated in all of this, being brough up in the Middle East. Ask her about this since she has studied this phenomena for a long time. I realize you are salivating over the possible fall of Israel, and it is quite obvious that you don't care about the thousands and thousands (even millions) killed in the name of Islam since you can't blame the Jews or America for this. Do you really think all those suicide and car bombings in Pakistan, for instance, have anything to do with Israel or the U.S. or have they to do with one sect hating the other sect?

Oh Sally, when you keep attacking the messenger rather than the message, or fly off on a tangent in Pakistan and dwell on hate rather than Justice by ignoring all UN resolutions and even USA pressure on the occupation, I repeat the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, I can understand your frustration and motive.

But you see, Pbel, many of us who have been reading you a long, long time know you and realize that you are only focused on Israel and never have really been interested in what is happening elsewhere no matter how many dead bodies are lying on the ground because of being murdered for their religious beliefs. You might think you are fooling everyone, but you really aren't.

Why does it matter what I'm focused on pray tell...would my focus change veracity in my posts?

 

[Sally]

Oh Sally, when you keep attacking the messenger rather than the message, or fly off on a tangent in Pakistan and dwell on hate rather than Justice by ignoring all UN resolutions and even USA pressure on the occupation, I repeat the illegal occupation of Palestinian lands, I can understand your frustration and motive.

But you see, Pbel, many of us who have been reading you a long, long time know you and realize that you are only focused on Israel and never have really been interested in what is happening elsewhere no matter how many dead bodies are lying on the ground because of being murdered for their religious beliefs. You might think you are fooling everyone, but you really aren't.

Why does it matter what I'm focused on pray tell...would my focus change veracity in my posts?

I would think that a person who is supposedly civilized would also focus on those unfortunate people who are being murdered for their religious beliefs in the Middle East. It appears that you do not care what happened to them and is still happening. Anyhow, since you are so hot about the Arab uprisings, why not give us your opinion as to what is going to happen in Morocco? Do you think that King Mohammed will be able to hold on to his throne or do you think the Islamists will eventually take over there? In addition, what do you think about the Russian Jihadists now in Syria excuting people? Don't you think they would have enough to do murdering innocent Russians than to run to Syria to kill people?

 

[pbel]

But you see, Pbel, many of us who have been reading you a long, long time know you and realize that you are only focused on Israel and never have really been interested in what is happening elsewhere no matter how many dead bodies are lying on the ground because of being murdered for their religious beliefs. You might think you are fooling everyone, but you really aren't.

Why does it matter what I'm focused on pray tell...would my focus change veracity in my posts?

I would think that a person who is supposedly civilized would also focus on those unfortunate people who are being murdered for their religious beliefs in the Middle East. It appears that you do not care what happened to them and is still happening. Anyhow, since you are so hot about the Arab uprisings, why not give us your opinion as to what is going to happen in Morocco? Do you think that King Mohammed will be able to hold on to his throne or do you think the Islamists will eventually take over there? In addition, what do you think about the Russian Jihadists now in Syria excuting people? Don't you think they would have enough to do murdering innocent Russians than to run to Syria to kill people?

Try to look at this mess like a Political Scientist, Sally...Christian Society had many religious wars in the middle ages...almost all societies have stupid religious wars...

Islam has not developed into democracies mainly because the ruling Sheiks exploited the wealth of their nations with corruption...All these revolts are about them and secondly Israel because she has colluded with the Dictators to keep them in line and poor.

Political evolutionary pressure has caused the Arab Awakening...

 

[Sally]

Why does it matter what I'm focused on pray tell...would my focus change veracity in my posts?

I would think that a person who is supposedly civilized would also focus on those unfortunate people who are being murdered for their religious beliefs in the Middle East. It appears that you do not care what happened to them and is still happening. Anyhow, since you are so hot about the Arab uprisings, why not give us your opinion as to what is going to happen in Morocco? Do you think that King Mohammed will be able to hold on to his throne or do you think the Islamists will eventually take over there? In addition, what do you think about the Russian Jihadists now in Syria excuting people? Don't you think they would have enough to do murdering innocent Russians than to run to Syria to kill people?

Try to look at this mess like a Political Scientist, Sally...Christian Society had many religious wars in the middle ages...almost all societies have stupid religious wars...

Islam has not developed into democracies mainly because the ruling Sheiks exploited the wealth of their nations with corruption...All these revolts are about them and secondly Israel because she has colluded with the Dictators to keep them in line and poor.

Political evolutionary pressure has caused the Arab wakening...

This is the 21st century, Pbel. I don't think we see Christians killing each other because of their differing religious beliefs. If you see Catholics killing Protestants or Greek Orthodox, will you let ue know? Haven't you kept up with what many of the Muslim religious leaders are saying -- that Islam is not compatible with Democracy -- and the people listen to these leaders. Perhaps you can be the one to convince them to change their minds. I wonder if Pbel can prove to us from some legitimate site where it is reported that Israel has "colluded" with the dictators to keep the people in line and poor. Do you have some source for what you are claiming, Pbel?

 

[pbel]

I would think that a person who is supposedly civilized would also focus on those unfortunate people who are being murdered for their religious beliefs in the Middle East. It appears that you do not care what happened to them and is still happening. Anyhow, since you are so hot about the Arab uprisings, why not give us your opinion as to what is going to happen in Morocco? Do you think that King Mohammed will be able to hold on to his throne or do you think the Islamists will eventually take over there? In addition, what do you think about the Russian Jihadists now in Syria excuting people? Don't you think they would have enough to do murdering innocent Russians than to run to Syria to kill people?

Try to look at this mess like a Political Scientist, Sally...Christian Society had many religious wars in the middle ages...almost all societies have stupid religious wars...

Islam has not developed into democracies mainly because the ruling Sheiks exploited the wealth of their nations with corruption...All these revolts are about them and secondly Israel because she has colluded with the Dictators to keep them in line and poor.

Political evolutionary pressure has caused the Arab wakening...

This is the 21st century, Pbel. I don't think we see Christians killing each other because of their differing religious beliefs. If you see Catholics killing Protestants or Greek Orthodox, will you let ue know? Haven't you kept up with what many of the Muslim religious leaders are saying -- that Islam is not compatible with Democracy -- and the people listen to these leaders. Perhaps you can be the one to convince them to change their minds. I wonder if Pbel can prove to us from some legitimate site where it is reported that Israel has "colluded" with the dictators to keep the people in line and poor. Do you have some source for what you are claiming, Pbel?

Many activists like myself can read between the lines...

Beacon Broadside: Middle EastBrokers of Deceit: How the U.S. Has Undermined Peace in the Middle East

KHALIDI-BrokersOfDeceitAn examination of the failure of the United States as a broker in the Palestinian-Israeli peace process, through three key historical moments

For more than seven decades the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people has raged on with no end in sight, and for much of that time, the United States has been involved as a mediator in the conflict. In this book, acclaimed historian Rashid Khalidi zeroes in on the United States's role as the purported impartial broker in this failed peace process.

Khalidi closely analyzes three historical moments that illuminate how the United States' involvement has, in fact, thwarted progress toward peace between Israel and Palestine. The first moment he investigates is the "Reagan Plan" of 1982, when Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin refused to accept the Reagan administration's proposal to reframe the Camp David Accords more impartially. The second moment covers the period after the Madrid Peace Conference, from 1991 to 1993, during which negotiations between Israel and Palestine were brokered by the United States until the signing of the secretly negotiated Oslo accords. Finally, Khalidi takes on President Barack Obama's retreat from plans to insist on halting the settlements in the West Bank.

 

[toastman]

Israel is what causes bloodshed in the ME Pbel, is that what you just said??

Yes, as the vanguard to Western Imperialism that gives the Sheiks, kings and dictators their corrupt money and robs the average person a decent living...

That's why they revolt Toast...

And what does what you said have to do with Israel affecting the Arabs Muslims terrorizing the ME

You people are not normal, I swear. Blaming Israel for the problems of the ME is so ridiculous, it honestly flushes ANY credibility you have down the sewer, where Tinmores credibility is swimming.
Of course, you have absolutely no way to prove your anti semitic ideology, unless maybe your proof lies in the readings of Elders of Zion

Muslims are killing, torturing, oppressing, discriminating, hating because of Israel, even though Israel has nothing to do with it... Interesting theory. I would ask what you are smoking but Im scared to know

 

[toastman]

The mind of the pro Palestinian anti Zionist is a complex one

 

[Sally]

Israel is what causes bloodshed in the ME Pbel, is that what you just said??

Yes, as the vanguard to Western Imperialism that gives the Sheiks, kings and dictators their corrupt money and robs the average person a decent living...

That's why they revolt Toast...

And what does what you said have to do with Israel affecting the Arabs Muslims terrorizing the ME

You people are not normal, I swear. Blaming Israel for the problems of the ME is so ridiculous, it honestly flushes ANY credibility you have down the sewer, where Tinmores credibility is swimming.
Of course, you have absolutely no way to prove your anti semitic ideology, unless maybe your proof lies in the readings of Elders of Zion

Muslims are killing, torturing, oppressing, discriminating, hating because of Israel, even though Israel has nothing to do with it... Interesting theory. I would ask what you are smoking but Im scared to know

You will notice that Pbel says he reads between the lines as if reading between the lines makes it true. He reads between the lines when it comes to Israel and the U.S., but he appears blind to what is actually happening in the Middle East.

 

[pbel]

The mind of the pro Palestinian anti Zionist is a complex one

There is nothing complex, Toast...I'm neither Pro-Palestinian or anti-Zionist, but I do have a dislike for the extremists on both sides...

Go back to the 67 armistice lines gain recognition and the war will collapse before the Jihadists take over all countries.

This conflict has spread well beyond the borders of Palestine, and they are winning the hearts of their people.

Nothing stops the march of History.

 

[toastman]

The mind of the pro Palestinian anti Zionist is a complex one

There is nothing complex, Toast...I'm neither Pro-Palestinian or anti-Zionist, but I do have a dislike for the extremists on both sides...

Go back to the 67 armistice lines gain recognition and the war will collapse before the Jihadists take over all countries.

This conflict has spread well beyond the borders of Palestine, and they are winning the hearts of their people.

Nothing stops the march of History.

Going back to the 67 borders, which BTW were never recognized in the first place, will stop the killing and all the other things I said as well as extremists recognizing the existence of Israel?? What are you talking about

 

[Kondor3]

The mind of the pro Palestinian anti Zionist is a complex one

There is nothing complex, Toast...I'm neither Pro-Palestinian or anti-Zionist, but I do have a dislike for the extremists on both sides...

Go back to the 67 armistice lines gain recognition and the war will collapse before the Jihadists take over all countries.

This conflict has spread well beyond the borders of Palestine, and they are winning the hearts of their people.

Nothing stops the march of History.

Submit to our demands, Jews, or the Ummah Jihad will bring you down!

Submit, oh infidels, to the Will of Allah, or the Warriors of Allah will cause you to fall.

Revert to the 1967 borders, oh Israel, or Allah (the Merciful, the Compassionate) will smite you, hip and thigh.

The sky is falling... the sky is falling... the sky is falling...

Stop it, pbel, yer scarin' everybody...