I will not Bow!

[pbel]

Yes and you bombed the wrong side leaving the true land owners homeless and starving, while the muslims from the M.E carved up the land for themselves. Have you learnt nothing from what happened in Yugoslavia

I see, right wing Zionists would have preferred the US to support Milosevic and the Holocaust murderer Ratko Miladic? You right wingers act like Fascists.

Nothing to do with left or right wing the fact is like all Islamic takeovers the militants surge in from outside and swell the numbers of terrorists. There were no problems in Yugoslavia prior to the muslims demanding yet another Islamic nation, it had a thriving economy and was the playground of Europe. Have you seen any of the atrocities carried out by the muslims in their terrorist attacks, the piles of bodies from mass murders and cannibalistic feasts. The defiled bodies of children and signs of post mortem rape. Is it any wonder the non Muslims retaliated to this with ethnic cleansing of insurgents and muslim terrorists. How many innocent women and children did the USA MASS MURDER in your name during the conflict.
We see the same thing happening in Lebanon and Syria today and you are itching to get tales of bloodshed and war crimes so you can send in the troops to clean it all up. Thus paving the way for a neo Marxist puppet government in the M.E.

Can you kindly produce and link some paperwork certifying your sanity?

 

[Phoenall]

I see, right wing Zionists would have preferred the US to support Milosevic and the Holocaust murderer Ratko Miladic? You right wingers act like Fascists.

Nothing to do with left or right wing the fact is like all Islamic takeovers the militants surge in from outside and swell the numbers of terrorists. There were no problems in Yugoslavia prior to the muslims demanding yet another Islamic nation, it had a thriving economy and was the playground of Europe. Have you seen any of the atrocities carried out by the muslims in their terrorist attacks, the piles of bodies from mass murders and cannibalistic feasts. The defiled bodies of children and signs of post mortem rape. Is it any wonder the non Muslims retaliated to this with ethnic cleansing of insurgents and muslim terrorists. How many innocent women and children did the USA MASS MURDER in your name during the conflict.
We see the same thing happening in Lebanon and Syria today and you are itching to get tales of bloodshed and war crimes so you can send in the troops to clean it all up. Thus paving the way for a neo Marxist puppet government in the M.E.

Can you kindly produce and link some paperwork certifying your sanity?

You first have to be insane before you get certified sane. But if you look at the history of every Islamic war you see insurgents from outside the area rushing to fight for the glory of allah. Your reply is tactic 23 in the neo Marxist book of disinformation.......claim the opposite side is insane or suffers from a mental condition to negate their input

 

[pbel]

Nothing to do with left or right wing the fact is like all Islamic takeovers the militants surge in from outside and swell the numbers of terrorists. There were no problems in Yugoslavia prior to the muslims demanding yet another Islamic nation, it had a thriving economy and was the playground of Europe. Have you seen any of the atrocities carried out by the muslims in their terrorist attacks, the piles of bodies from mass murders and cannibalistic feasts. The defiled bodies of children and signs of post mortem rape. Is it any wonder the non Muslims retaliated to this with ethnic cleansing of insurgents and muslim terrorists. How many innocent women and children did the USA MASS MURDER in your name during the conflict.
We see the same thing happening in Lebanon and Syria today and you are itching to get tales of bloodshed and war crimes so you can send in the troops to clean it all up. Thus paving the way for a neo Marxist puppet government in the M.E.

Can you kindly produce and link some paperwork certifying your sanity?

You first have to be insane before you get certified sane. But if you look at the history of every Islamic war you see insurgents from outside the area rushing to fight for the glory of allah. Your reply is tactic 23 in the neo Marxist book of disinformation.......claim the opposite side is insane or suffers from a mental condition to negate their input

Agreed.

 

[Phoenall]

Can you kindly produce and link some paperwork certifying your sanity?

You first have to be insane before you get certified sane. But if you look at the history of every Islamic war you see insurgents from outside the area rushing to fight for the glory of allah. Your reply is tactic 23 in the neo Marxist book of disinformation.......claim the opposite side is insane or suffers from a mental condition to negate their input

Agreed.

Ignoring the part that shows your true beliefs, this is rule 13 in the neo Marxist book of disinformation. Such a pity you have an ex Marxist on your case.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are something.


(COMMENT)

The citation you posted, is well known and is equally invalid and unsound. It comes months after the Jewish Agency declared independence of Israel. Even the Arab League understood that it was invalid; and was (one) the main reason the Arab League dissolved that iteration of the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) which submitted it for incompetence.

The AHC did not follow the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" set by the General Assembly; and territorially covered territory already declared independent. Thus the nonsensical declaration went unrecognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

The citation you posted, is well known and is equally invalid and unsound. It comes months after the Jewish Agency declared independence of Israel.

Irrelevant. The Palestinians did not encroach on any territory claimed by Israel.

So you are saying that they did not take part in the war, and that they accepted the nation of Israel as a fact. That they made it clear that Israel was not counted in as part of Palestine and that they were about to steal land that was not theirs .

I didn't say any of that.

I said that Palestinians declared independence on their own land inside their own international borders that were defined some 25 years earlier by international treaties.

I don't see why there is a problem with that.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Of course there are opposing views.

P F Tinmore, et al,

I totally disagree.

Where does Palestine fit into this description?

• (1) a permanent population;
  
  • P F Tinmore: The vast majority of Palestinians can trace their ancestry back hundreds of years.
• (2 )a defined territory;
  
  • P F Tinmore: Palestine has had international borders dating back to post WWI treaties.
• (3 )a government and
  
  • P F Tinmore: About 80 Palestinian political leaders formed a government and declared independence in 1948.
• (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.
  
  • P F Tinmore: Due to illegal external interference (foreign military occupation) the government has had little power to do anything.

(COMMENT)

The Arab-Palestinian has been the aggressor from the beginning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where am I incorrect?

Did the Arab-Palestinian aggression start when they went to Europe and attacked the Zionists?

(COMMENT)

Perspective!

• (1) a permanent population;
  
  • P F Tinmore: The vast majority of Palestinians can trace their ancestry back hundreds of years.

(COMMENT)

The historical longevity of the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) in residence (indigenous population) does not have anything to do with "self-governing control or authority," "sovereignty," or "territorial independence." In this case, the HoAP uses this argument merely as an expression of sympathy in the projection of the perpetual image of a victim.

The HoAP (indigenous people) have suffered from historic injustices as a result of their colonization and dispossession of their lands, territories and resources for two millennium. The HoAP have no real history of ever having "self-governing control or authority," "sovereignty," or "territorial independence." This inability and lack of capacity "self-governing control or authority," has prevented them from exercising their right to development in accordance with their own wants and needs.

• (2 )a defined territory;
  
  • P F Tinmore: Palestine has had international borders dating back to post WWI treaties.

(COMMENT)

There is no "State of Palestine" had only boundaries that were administratively set by the Allied Powers from 1916 to 1948. These boundaries were set to facilitate divisional control between controls of authority the French Mandate and the British Mandate; and subdivisions within each. They were not geo-political boundaries between territories occupied or the formerly enemy occupied territory of the Ottoman Empire.

In the case of "Palestine;" an administrative designation recognize by the Ottoman/Turk Empire and the successors (the Allied Powers) stretched to Mesopotamia (Iraq); a straight line border surveyed and established by the post-War Mandatory (UK), was something different from what the HoAP consider today. By previous arrangement with the Royal Family to HM the King of the Hejaz, approximately three-quarters of the territory was allocated to the Hashemite Kingdom, administered through the Mandate of Palestine. At no time did the Ottomans or the Allied Powers establish a State of Palestine.

• (3 )a government and
  
  • P F Tinmore: About 80 Palestinian political leaders formed a government and declared independence in 1948.

(COMMENT)

This All-Palestine Government established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, was "after the fact" to the establishment of the "State of Israel" in May 1948; under the recommendation of the General Assembly. It was not recognized because the State of Israel had already been established over the same territory.

• (4) the capacity to enter into relations with other states.
  
  • P F Tinmore: Due to illegal external interference (foreign military occupation) the government has had little power to do anything.

(COMMENT)

The "illegal external interference" was on the part of the "Arab League" (combined Arab armies totaled no more than 25,000 troops; including 10,000 Egyptian troops, 4,500 Transjordanian troops and perhaps 3,000 troops from Palestine itself, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon respectively) and not the Israelis operating under the recognition of the implementing authority of the UN Security Council. At the Armistice, the Occupation Powers were "Egypt," which occupied the Gaza Strip, and the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan," which occupied the West Bank and portions of Jerusalem. These two occupations prevented the indigenous population exercising the right of self-determination over the lands, territories and resources to strengthen their institutions, cultures and traditions, and to promote their development in accordance with their aspirations and needs.

The claim that post-1967 Israeli Occupation has given the HoAP "little power to do anything" is not exactly accurate. The HoAP declare independence in 1988 (exercising the right of self-determination), a step that could not have been achieved under Egyptian Occupation or Jordanian Annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Of course there are opposing views.

And, of course, yours would be one of them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The historical longevity of the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) in residence (indigenous population) does not have anything to do with "self-governing control or authority," "sovereignty," or "territorial independence." In this case, the HoAP uses this argument merely as an expression of sympathy in the projection of the perpetual image of a victim.

You never have posted a link explaining how recent immigrants have the right to self determination and the indigenous population does not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This All-Palestine Government established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, was "after the fact" to the establishment of the "State of Israel" in May 1948; under the recommendation of the General Assembly. It was not recognized because the State of Israel had already been established over the same territory.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[toastman]

The historical longevity of the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) in residence (indigenous population) does not have anything to do with "self-governing control or authority," "sovereignty," or "territorial independence." In this case, the HoAP uses this argument merely as an expression of sympathy in the projection of the perpetual image of a victim.

You never have posted a link explaining how recent immigrants have the right to self determination and the indigenous population does not.

Where did Rocco say that the indigenous population don't have the right to self determination?
You keep asking Rocco questions about other issues, when you are quoting his posts.

 

[toastman]

This All-Palestine Government established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, was "after the fact" to the establishment of the "State of Israel" in May 1948; under the recommendation of the General Assembly. It was not recognized because the State of Israel had already been established over the same territory.

Do you have a link for that?

A link that Israel declared independence in 1948 ? Link for what ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

The historical longevity of the Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) in residence (indigenous population) does not have anything to do with "self-governing control or authority," "sovereignty," or "territorial independence." In this case, the HoAP uses this argument merely as an expression of sympathy in the projection of the perpetual image of a victim.

You never have posted a link explaining how recent immigrants have the right to self determination and the indigenous population does not.

Where did Rocco say that the indigenous population don't have the right to self determination?
You keep asking Rocco questions about other issues, when you are quoting his posts.

Roccoo has many times stated that the immigrant Jews exercised their right to self determination by creating Israel.

He has also stated many times the the indigenous population has no such right.

He has yet to provide links to confirm his statements.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This All-Palestine Government established by the Arab League on 22 September 1948, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, was "after the fact" to the establishment of the "State of Israel" in May 1948; under the recommendation of the General Assembly. It was not recognized because the State of Israel had already been established over the same territory.

Do you have a link for that?

A link that Israel declared independence in 1948 ? Link for what ??

Read the statement I questioned again.

 

[toastman]

You never have posted a link explaining how recent immigrants have the right to self determination and the indigenous population does not.

Where did Rocco say that the indigenous population don't have the right to self determination?
You keep asking Rocco questions about other issues, when you are quoting his posts.

Roccoo has many times stated that the immigrant Jews exercised their right to self determination by creating Israel.

He has also stated many times the the indigenous population has no such right.

He has yet to provide links to confirm his statements.

The first statement is a fact. IF you need a link to show that the Jews practice self determination to create Israel, then you really need to go back to reading history

As for the second, I've never seen Rocco say that, and I'm sure he didn't. It's just a matter of you misinterpreting what others say.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where did Rocco say that the indigenous population don't have the right to self determination?
You keep asking Rocco questions about other issues, when you are quoting his posts.

Roccoo has many times stated that the immigrant Jews exercised their right to self determination by creating Israel.

He has also stated many times the the indigenous population has no such right.

He has yet to provide links to confirm his statements.

The first statement is a fact. IF you need a link to show that the Jews practice self determination to create Israel, then you really need to go back to reading history

As for the second, I've never seen Rocco say that, and I'm sure he didn't. It's just a matter of you misinterpreting what others say.

Come on. Rocco consistently dances around the Palestinian's rights issue.

 

[toastman]

Roccoo has many times stated that the immigrant Jews exercised their right to self determination by creating Israel.

He has also stated many times the the indigenous population has no such right.

He has yet to provide links to confirm his statements.

The first statement is a fact. IF you need a link to show that the Jews practice self determination to create Israel, then you really need to go back to reading history

As for the second, I've never seen Rocco say that, and I'm sure he didn't. It's just a matter of you misinterpreting what others say.

Come on. Rocco consistently dances around the Palestinian's rights issue.

Well I don't recall him saying that the Palestinians didn't/don't have rights. But then again, I haven't read every single post of his, it's just that, that doesn't seem like something HE would say

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The first statement is a fact. IF you need a link to show that the Jews practice self determination to create Israel, then you really need to go back to reading history

As for the second, I've never seen Rocco say that, and I'm sure he didn't. It's just a matter of you misinterpreting what others say.

Come on. Rocco consistently dances around the Palestinian's rights issue.

Well I don't recall him saying that the Palestinians didn't/don't have rights. But then again, I haven't read every single post of his, it's just that, that doesn't seem like something HE would say

I think Rocco's main point is that the Palestinians don't accept the rights of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Come on. Rocco consistently dances around the Palestinian's rights issue.

Well I don't recall him saying that the Palestinians didn't/don't have rights. But then again, I haven't read every single post of his, it's just that, that doesn't seem like something HE would say

I think Rocco's main point is that the Palestinians don't accept the rights of Israel.

What rights of the Palestinians has Israel accepted?

 

[toastman]

Well I don't recall him saying that the Palestinians didn't/don't have rights. But then again, I haven't read every single post of his, it's just that, that doesn't seem like something HE would say

I think Rocco's main point is that the Palestinians don't accept the rights of Israel.

What rights of the Palestinians has Israel accepted?

Nice deflection

 

[Roudy]

I will not bowl either. I never understood what people liked about bowling.