I will not Bow!

[P F Tinmore]

You are (only marginally) correct in that the 1949 Armistice Line between Israel and Palestine is not a permanent boundary;...

There is no armistice line between Israel and Palestine. There never was.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Lebanese forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Syrian forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Jordanian forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Egyptian forces.

There is no armistice line between Israel and anybody else. There never was.

You need to go back to your history books

What did I post that is incorrect?

 

[pbel]

Not within the " borders" we hear so much about. Your post is exactly why there will never be " Right of Return". Translation ; No " Palestinian state"

The Right of Return is about allowing Palestinian refugees to return to lands within the borders of 1949 Israel. This can be achieved without affecting Israeli demographics by having these refugees return to such lands given to Palestine by Israel, in exchange for settlement land in the WB.

There are all sorts of snazzy solutions to these issues.

So what about the Jews right of return to lands within gaza and the west bank. Do you think that the world would be in an uproar if Israel declared that once a peace deal was signed they would expel all muslims from their lands, as declared by the P.A. in their dealings with Jews in Palestine.

Its pretty clear that Israel would be accepted at all save her American arsenal...If you look at the reality of this whole affair its obvious that Western Imperialism trampled on the Arabs via Palestine...Israel should offer the 67 borders and hope it works...the long-term prognosis is WMD for all and devastating wars...

 

[toastman]

The Right of Return is about allowing Palestinian refugees to return to lands within the borders of 1949 Israel. This can be achieved without affecting Israeli demographics by having these refugees return to such lands given to Palestine by Israel, in exchange for settlement land in the WB.

There are all sorts of snazzy solutions to these issues.

So what about the Jews right of return to lands within gaza and the west bank. Do you think that the world would be in an uproar if Israel declared that once a peace deal was signed they would expel all muslims from their lands, as declared by the P.A. in their dealings with Jews in Palestine.

Its pretty clear that Israel would be accepted at all save her American arsenal...If you look at the reality of this whole affair its obvious that Western Imperialism trampled on the Arabs via Palestine...Israel should offer the 67 borders and hope it works...the long-term prognosis is WMD for all and devastating wars...

Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders?? Is that what you just said?

 

[pbel]

So what about the Jews right of return to lands within gaza and the west bank. Do you think that the world would be in an uproar if Israel declared that once a peace deal was signed they would expel all muslims from their lands, as declared by the P.A. in their dealings with Jews in Palestine.

Its pretty clear that Israel would be accepted at all save her American arsenal...If you look at the reality of this whole affair its obvious that Western Imperialism trampled on the Arabs via Palestine...Israel should offer the 67 borders and hope it works...the long-term prognosis is WMD for all and devastating wars...

Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders?? Is that what you just said?

yes, that's what the UN says as well...It may not be in her religious interests but it is in her strategic interests, if she desires acceptance and secure peace.

 

[toastman]

I really dont know what planet you are living on. How can anyone say that Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders? Its never going to happen and you know it.
Neither is right of return or giving up sovereignty of East Jerusalem.
You need to wake up

 

[pbel]

I really dont know what planet you are living on. How can anyone say that Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders? Its never going to happen and you know it.
Neither is right of return or giving up sovereignty of East Jerusalem.
You need to wake up

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

 

[toastman]

I really dont know what planet you are living on. How can anyone say that Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders? Its never going to happen and you know it.
Neither is right of return or giving up sovereignty of East Jerusalem.
You need to wake up

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

Right, of course. The typical if Israel doesnt succumb to the demand of the Palestinians and UN , they will be destroyed. Blah blah blah.

And again, if you really think that the 67 borders will give Israel acceptance, youre either full of shit, or youre underestimating the hatred of the Arab Muslim world.

 

[pbel]

I really dont know what planet you are living on. How can anyone say that Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders? Its never going to happen and you know it.
Neither is right of return or giving up sovereignty of East Jerusalem.
You need to wake up

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

Right, of course. The typical if Israel doesnt succumb to the demand of the Palestinians and UN , they will be destroyed. Blah blah blah.

And again, if you really think that the 67 borders will give Israel acceptance, youre either full of shit, or youre underestimating the hatred of the Arab Muslim world.

It is not my fault for your sophomoric view of history and the Economic Development of Nations...the future is easily predictable by the past...the economies Will grow in time along with the weaponry...mark my History.

 

[Phoenall]

There is no armistice line between Israel and Palestine. There never was.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Lebanese forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Syrian forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Jordanian forces.

There is an armistice line between Israeli forces and Egyptian forces.

There is no armistice line between Israel and anybody else. There never was.

You need to go back to your history books

What did I post that is incorrect?

There is an armistice line between Israel and Lebanon

There is an armistice line between Israel and Syria

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Egypt

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Jordan

Palestine has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

Syria has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

That is why the west bank is occupied under International Law and will stay that way until peace has been agreed

 

[Phoenall]

The Right of Return is about allowing Palestinian refugees to return to lands within the borders of 1949 Israel. This can be achieved without affecting Israeli demographics by having these refugees return to such lands given to Palestine by Israel, in exchange for settlement land in the WB.

There are all sorts of snazzy solutions to these issues.

So what about the Jews right of return to lands within gaza and the west bank. Do you think that the world would be in an uproar if Israel declared that once a peace deal was signed they would expel all muslims from their lands, as declared by the P.A. in their dealings with Jews in Palestine.

Its pretty clear that Israel would be accepted at all save her American arsenal...If you look at the reality of this whole affair its obvious that Western Imperialism trampled on the Arabs via Palestine...Israel should offer the 67 borders and hope it works...the long-term prognosis is WMD for all and devastating wars...

What 67 borders would they be then, provide a link from a reputable source showing the existence of any 67 borders. Even 242 does not state 67 borders but return of some of the land occupied once hostilities have ceased. So how about the Palestinians agree to a halt in all hostilities for the allotted 12 months and then they will get the land back......

 

[Phoenall]

Its pretty clear that Israel would be accepted at all save her American arsenal...If you look at the reality of this whole affair its obvious that Western Imperialism trampled on the Arabs via Palestine...Israel should offer the 67 borders and hope it works...the long-term prognosis is WMD for all and devastating wars...

Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders?? Is that what you just said?

yes, that's what the UN says as well...It may not be in her religious interests but it is in her strategic interests, if she desires acceptance and secure peace.

Were does the UN say this then, and be very careful about 242 if that is your source as it does not mention any 67 borders.

 

[Phoenall]

I really dont know what planet you are living on. How can anyone say that Israel should offer to go back to the 67 borders? Its never going to happen and you know it.
Neither is right of return or giving up sovereignty of East Jerusalem.
You need to wake up

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

Then the Islamic world can go to hell in a handcart, and the bible says that the Jews will survive the coming holocaust and her enemies will be destroyed.

If it does come to mutual destruction then the M.E will be inhospitable for the next 1 million years due to the fallout and islam will be destroyed completely in the process.

 

[Phoenall]

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

Right, of course. The typical if Israel doesnt succumb to the demand of the Palestinians and UN , they will be destroyed. Blah blah blah.

And again, if you really think that the 67 borders will give Israel acceptance, youre either full of shit, or youre underestimating the hatred of the Arab Muslim world.

It is not my fault for your sophomoric view of history and the Economic Development of Nations...the future is easily predictable by the past...the economies Will grow in time along with the weaponry...mark my History.

And Israel will always be at least 4 levels of sophistication ahead of the muslims in the weapons stakes. Iran is the closest rival and Israel could take them out in one raid, at the same time getting India to keep Pakistan busy till they can take out their nuclear weapons.

Seems that you have learnt nothing from the past as Israel has defeated islam every time they have invaded, and given the Palestinians a bloody nose in the process. This is why the arab league has told the PLO to talk with Israel because it is sick and tired of getting destroyed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need to go back to your history books

What did I post that is incorrect?

There is an armistice line between Israel and Lebanon

There is an armistice line between Israel and Syria

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Egypt

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Jordan

Palestine has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

Syria has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

That is why the west bank is occupied under International Law and will stay that way until peace has been agreed

You are ducking the question. You only mentioned two of my points and got both of them wrong.

 

[laziale]

Abbas says he won't make concessions on Jerusalem

I think this good

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, quit beating around the bush. What is the specific point you are making.

What did I post that is incorrect?

There is an armistice line between Israel and Lebanon

There is an armistice line between Israel and Syria

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Egypt

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Jordan

Palestine has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

Syria has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

That is why the west bank is occupied under International Law and will stay that way until peace has been agreed

You are ducking the question. You only mentioned two of my points and got both of them wrong.

(COMMENT)

With the exception of the international recognition of the border between Lebanon and Israel, what it the issue you are driving at?

Make it plain.

v/r
R

 

[toastman]

Like, I've told you a million times, it will take that for Israeli acceptance by the Islamic world, I know peace will not happen, I predict mutually assured destruction in the future, so does the bible's fables.

Right, of course. The typical if Israel doesnt succumb to the demand of the Palestinians and UN , they will be destroyed. Blah blah blah.

And again, if you really think that the 67 borders will give Israel acceptance, youre either full of shit, or youre underestimating the hatred of the Arab Muslim world.

It is not my fault for your sophomoric view of history and the Economic Development of Nations...the future is easily predictable by the past...the economies Will grow in time along with the weaponry...mark my History.

Lol your views are extremely distorted

 

[toastman]

What did I post that is incorrect?

There is an armistice line between Israel and Lebanon

There is an armistice line between Israel and Syria

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Egypt

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Jordan

Palestine has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

Syria has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

That is why the west bank is occupied under International Law and will stay that way until peace has been agreed

You are ducking the question. You only mentioned two of my points and got both of them wrong.

What does what you said have to do with anything?? Youre bringing it up but youre not able to tell us what your point is

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, quit beating around the bush. What is the specific point you are making.

There is an armistice line between Israel and Lebanon

There is an armistice line between Israel and Syria

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Egypt

There is an INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED border between Israel and Jordan

Palestine has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

Syria has refused to take part in peace talks repeatedly

That is why the west bank is occupied under International Law and will stay that way until peace has been agreed

You are ducking the question. You only mentioned two of my points and got both of them wrong.

(COMMENT)

With the exception of the international recognition of the border between Lebanon and Israel, what it the issue you are driving at?

Make it plain.

v/r
R

This particular discussion started when I responded to one of your posts.

Perhaps you should follow it back. It may clear things up for you.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK, quit beating around the bush. What is the specific point you are making.

You are ducking the question. You only mentioned two of my points and got both of them wrong.

(COMMENT)

With the exception of the international recognition of the border between Lebanon and Israel, what it the issue you are driving at?

Make it plain.

v/r
R

This particular discussion started when I responded to one of your posts.

Perhaps you should follow it back. It may clear things up for you.

Thats what I thought, no answer