I will not Bow!

[Kondor3]

What's pretty stupid is Billo claiming that Jews declaring the Western Wall as 'theirs' had or could have any relation to 'seizing Muslim holy places' - the Wall was never in any way 'holy' to Muslims.

OTOH, many times during the Ottoman control of Israel, Jews were not allowed to enter the Jewish holy sites - and when Jordan illegally seized East Jerusalem, they ethnically cleansed the Jews from their homes in EJ AND denied all Jews (not just Israelis) any access to the Wall OR any other Jewish holy site under Jordanian control.

And there's also a small matter of the 28,000 grave markers removed from the historic Mt of Olives cemetery - and used as paving stones by the Jordanians.

Then there's the Muslim attacks on Jewish sites which are also allegedly holy to Muslims - like the Tomb of the Patriarchs.

According to racist pricks like you, muslims have no land, no humanity, no history, no reason to live and no holy places.

As human beings go, you're pretty fucked!

That's funny... you are perceived in much the same way, in many quarters.

 

[Phoenall]

Who gives a rat's ass what Islam is about?

Obviously you did, since you felt the need to comment on their holy places.

Although, if you are a Western non-Muslim, there's a good chance that I've done (and mastered) more reading on the subject than you, or am at least sufficiently well-versed to deflect such an accusation, easily.

Not that the charge made any sense, in the context in which you served it up.

But why should you shift gears now and suddenly begin making sense?

You "think" you know shit and I "know" you don't!

Strange how islams alleged "holy places" only became holy what it looked like the Jews would be given Jerusalem as part of the new Israel. Before this they were derelict and hardly used by the majority of muslims. I remember having the same argument with a muslim some years back who stated that the dome of the rock and the al aqsa mosque had stood in splendour for 1400 years. That was until I showed him that they had both been rebuilt at least 3 times after they were demolished by earthquakes. It was only holy for a period of 17 months before Mohamed conquered Mecca and made that the qibla

 

[pbel]

"...Do you not realize that proves they were "seizing control of Muslim holy places"? And that was the flashpoint of the riot."

Which were stupidly and intentionally built on top of seized Jewish holy places.

What goes around comes around.

It's the Muslims turn in the barrel.

Enjoy.

Get over it...The Jews built their Temple on the ruins of another Moon God Baal...that ancient mount site had many moon gods residing there...its just a pile of dirt that was also used as a garbage dump.

Peace is more important than mythology!

 

[Kondor3]

"...Do you not realize that proves they were "seizing control of Muslim holy places"? And that was the flashpoint of the riot."

Which were stupidly and intentionally built on top of seized Jewish holy places.

What goes around comes around.

It's the Muslims turn in the barrel.

Enjoy.

Get over it...

Something tells me that neither side is willing to 'get over it'.

"...The Jews built their Temple on the ruins of another Moon God Baal...that ancient mount site had many moon gods residing there..."

Doesn't matter. The Jews have seen it as their own for 3000 years or more.

"...its just a pile of dirt that was also used as a garbage dump..."

Just a pile of dirt to you. Sacred Ground, to others.

"...Peace is more important than mythology!"

Neither Jews nor Muslims consider their faith to be 'mythology'.

And both are willing to fight to defend their Holy Places and their related rights of control, ownership and access.

 

[Art__Allm]

I agree that Israel won't expel the Palestinians. The world is too obsessed by the Israel/Palestine conflict to let that happen.

If there was no Israel Lobby in the USA, Zionists would be sued in Den Haag.
Because of the influence of the Israel Lobby in the USA, Zionists can get away with their ethnic cleansing, land theft and apartheid.

On the other hand, Russia could expel all the Chechens, and the world wouldn't blink an eye.

Total BS! All Chechens are Russian citizens, and they have the same rights like any other Russian citizens.
They can live in Moscow or in Grozny, and they can be elected to Russian parliament.

In Israel, Palestinians are second class people and the expelled Palestinians are not permitted to return to their homes.

 

[Art__Allm]

What were the arab's doing in Jewish homes in the first place ?

What Jewish homes are you talking about?

 

[Victory67]

What were the arab's doing in Jewish homes in the first place ? Was it because they had stolen the property of the Jews because the Jews were better builders.

Remember the dhimmi and sharia laws that forbid non muslims from having better houses than the muslims.

You have no evidence that all the Arabs kicked out of their homes in Israel and the West Bank were living in "Jewish" homes.

 

[Indeependent]

What were the arab's doing in Jewish homes in the first place ? Was it because they had stolen the property of the Jews because the Jews were better builders.

Remember the dhimmi and sharia laws that forbid non muslims from having better houses than the muslims.

You have no evidence that all the Arabs kicked out of their homes in Israel and the West Bank were living in "Jewish" homes.

If you put your ear real close to a house in Israel, you will hear it say, "Oy!".

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What's pretty stupid is Billo claiming that Jews declaring the Western Wall as 'theirs' had or could have any relation to 'seizing Muslim holy places' - the Wall was never in any way 'holy' to Muslims.

OTOH, many times during the Ottoman control of Israel, Jews were not allowed to enter the Jewish holy sites - and when Jordan illegally seized East Jerusalem, they ethnically cleansed the Jews from their homes in EJ AND denied all Jews (not just Israelis) any access to the Wall OR any other Jewish holy site under Jordanian control.

And there's also a small matter of the 28,000 grave markers removed from the historic Mt of Olives cemetery - and used as paving stones by the Jordanians.

Then there's the Muslim attacks on Jewish sites which are also allegedly holy to Muslims - like the Tomb of the Patriarchs.

Arabs/Muslims destroyed Joseph's Tomb several times. They tried to attack Rachel's Tomb, forcing Israel to build an ugly fortress over the beautiful dome. They forbade Jews from praying in Abraham's Tomb for 700 years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I agree, that you tend to twist and distort the intent of the Armistice Line.


(COMMENT)

As may be usual, only half the story is told. For all intense and purposes, Armistice Lines are handled exactly the same as other lines of demarcation. The only difference is the temporal nature and termination on a Peace Accord. In terms of Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the Armistice Line has all the characteristics of a border, until such time as a Peace Accord makes it obsolete.

There are two important aspects to keep in mind in terms of the universal recognition of the delineation and demarcation of both Israel and Palestine (each as States).

FIRST: The international view:



SECOND: The Palestinian View:



Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinian, and other maps of Palestine in the ME, do not show the non border armistice lines.

How can you show that disgusting map, without Israel on it?

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

 

[toastman]

Palestinian, and other maps of Palestine in the ME, do not show the non border armistice lines.

How can you show that disgusting map, without Israel on it?

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

 

[P F Tinmore]

How can you show that disgusting map, without Israel on it?

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

Not at all. That is the map of Palestine without the armistice lines that are specifically not borders.

 

[Sally]

How can you show that disgusting map, without Israel on it?

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

I am just wondering if Mr. Tinmore would do us all a favor and translate the Arabic on the map into English.

 

[aris2chat]

How can you show that disgusting map, without Israel on it?

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

it is the logo for the "Palestine Liberation Organization" permanent observer mission of palestine to the united nations

 

[Indeependent]

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

I am just wondering if Mr. Tinmore would do us all a favor and translate the Arabic on the map into English.

"Kill the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS!".

 

[toastman]

It is easy. If a line is not a border it need not be on the map.

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

Not at all. That is the map of Palestine without the armistice lines that are specifically not borders.

What about Israels internationally recognized borders with two countries that were signed After the armistice agreements?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lol you're delusional and living on another planet

Not at all. That is the map of Palestine without the armistice lines that are specifically not borders.

What about Israels internationally recognized borders with two countries that were signed After the armistice agreements?

Good question.

What about Palestine's 25 year old international borders in the same place?

 

[Ropey]

Just an update pls.

Has pbel bowed yet?

Or is he still playing that violin string-less?

 

[pbel]

Just an update pls.

Has pbel bowed yet?

Or is he still playing that violin string-less?

Not yet!

 

[Phoenall]

Not at all. That is the map of Palestine without the armistice lines that are specifically not borders.

What about Israels internationally recognized borders with two countries that were signed After the armistice agreements?

Good question.

What about Palestine's 25 year old international borders in the same place?

That only exist in the fantasy world of some Palestinian author and your tiny brain. The treaties you both cite do not specifically say Palestine do they, they don't even imply Palestine. In matter of fact Palestine is omitted deliberately because it would cause problems for the Islamic nations created from the land of palestine