I thought Afghanistan was the "good war"???

[nodoginnafight]

Well sis, that ain't stealing... that is tapping... oil fields rest miles below the surface and if you can reach a field, you're entitled to that which you drill.

wrong, mineral rights go as deep as you can go.

 

[Si modo]

Try and read some of my posts not addressed to you...you might find some substance in them if you are able to comprehend them...good luck with that.

Ah, the so often used, but no less ineffective and inane I-can't-explain-so-you're-stupid 'debate' tactic.

You're 'skills' are apparent.

In other words you prefer to ignore the points already made.

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Considering that we managed to replace a government in Iraq that, as pathetic as it was actually, was a stabilizing buffer in the region with one that more closely is allied with our bigger enemy in the region...granted, it took a couple of wars over about a decade and a half to do it...looks like we've failed miserably.

Yeah, that's right. The Middle East has been stable all the while Hussein was in power. Although a popular talking point, thinking persons know better.

I didn't say the Middle East had been stable...I said Saddam was a stabilizing buffer which goes to why as poppy Bush wrote….

You're off to a good start, but maybe on the wrong track. The best stabilizing Force in the Middle East was The Shah of Iran. We should have supported Him. We will be paying for Carter's Blunder for years to come.

For some, history seems to start at the point in time the most convenient to their current talking point. You've just challenged the temporal comfort zone of many.

Which has been my point all along...and who was it before the Shaw?...before that?...before that?

How did the Brits do around the turn of the last century...

So your talking point is pointless. Got it.

Ah, perhaps to a degree...but only due to that which I was addressing.

Your original talking point, that Hussein was some sort of stabilizing factor, is indeed convenient to your addressing your original talking point.

Stay away from snow and mud; your habit of spinning your wheels will get you nowhere real quick.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Pubic - Being 0 for 2, I guess you probably want to ease up on that sanctimonious, condescending rhetoric. It might elimenate that whole crow-eating gag reflex thing.

 

[Intense]

Ah, the so often used, but no less ineffective and inane I-can't-explain-so-you're-stupid 'debate' tactic.

You're 'skills' are apparent.

In other words you prefer to ignore the points already made.

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Ah, perhaps to a degree...but only due to that which I was addressing.

Your original talking point, that Hussein was some sort of stabilizing factor, is indeed convenient to your addressing your original talking point.

Stay away from snow and mud; your habit of spinning your wheels will get you nowhere real quick.

Watch out for that Georgia Clay too, And Quick Sand, and Sink Holes, and Cliffs.

 

[Huh?]

Ah, the so often used, but no less ineffective and inane I-can't-explain-so-you're-stupid 'debate' tactic.

You're 'skills' are apparent.

In other words you prefer to ignore the points already made.

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

I didn't say the Middle East had been stable...I said Saddam was a stabilizing buffer which goes to why as poppy Bush wrote….

Perhaps your name should be Sigh moron?

 

[Si modo]

In other words you prefer to ignore the points already made.

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

 

[Si modo]

In other words you prefer to ignore the points already made.

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Your original talking point, that Hussein was some sort of stabilizing factor, is indeed convenient to your addressing your original talking point.

Stay away from snow and mud; your habit of spinning your wheels will get you nowhere real quick.

Watch out for that Georgia Clay too, And Quick Sand, and Sink Holes, and Cliffs.

No kidding. Wow, just wow.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[Contumacious]

ROFLMNAO... Kuwait stole Iraq's oil field? With what? The 5th largest army in the world? Iraq's claim to such has been in contention for the best part of a century...

Secondly, Bush never gave Iraq the green light to invade Kuwait...

Third... absent such, your argument fails.

THE NEW YORK TIMES INTERNATIONAL SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 1990

WASHINGTON, Sept. 22 -- On July 25,President Saddam Hussein of Iraq summoned the United States Ambassador to Baghdad, April Glaspie, to his office in the last high-level contact between the two Governments before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2. Here are excerpts from a document described by Iraqi Government officials as a transcript of the meeting, which also included the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz. A copy was provided to The New York Times by ABC News, which translated from the Arabic.



AMBASSADOR GLASPIE: I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.


My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship -- not in the spirit of confrontation -- regarding your intentions.

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[Huh?]

...and a reporter asked Glaspie, “What were you thinking?” she responded, “Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.”

So what did she think Saddam would do after the meeting?

Just take some of it?

 

[Huh?]

Indeed I do ignore those who have such thought processing issues that they think going around in circles is logical.

But, thank you for the opportunity to highlight your utter lack of logic once again.

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

Well then...probably good that you keep cropping my posts to edit out the parts you don't comprehend and bumping them because you obviously aren't qualified.

 

[Huh?]

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Lol, you sure you want to admit such foolishness?

 

[Si modo]

Which, of course, explains why you keep addressing me and would further explain why you cropped out the details in my post...

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

Well then...probably good that you keep cropping my posts to edit out the parts you don't comprehend and bumping them because you obviously aren't qualified.

Focus, just try to focus. I know it's taxing, but give it a shot.

Regardless of your nonsense, what about Afghanistan, you know, the "good war" - the topic?

 

[Huh?]

No, dear. As you clearly cannot articulate anything but nonsense, my hope is that someone with a couple of brain cells will come along to help you out.

Well then...probably good that you keep cropping my posts to edit out the parts you don't comprehend and bumping them because you obviously aren't qualified.

Focus, just try to focus. I know it's taxing, but give it a shot.

Regardless of your nonsense, what about Afghanistan, you know, the "good war" - the topic?

Iraq was brought up a number of times before I posted in this thread...I merely responded.

As for Afghanistan...too bad it wasn't kept as the priority.

As for this thread...finding someone to use as an example to start one such as this is always available.

 

[Contumacious]

...and a reporter asked Glaspie, “What were you thinking?” she responded, “Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.”

So what did she think Saddam would do after the meeting?

Just take some of it?

What the zombified fail to understand is that Kuwait was part of Iraq andthat Iraq never recognized its independence.

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[Huh?]

...and a reporter asked Glaspie, “What were you thinking?” she responded, “Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.”

So what did she think Saddam would do after the meeting?

Just take some of it?

What the zombified fail to understand is that Kuwait was part of Iraq andthat Iraq never recognized its independence.

.

True that.

The part that I have a hard time understanding is what happened between Bush Sr. and Saddam that made Bush want to turn on him...Saddam had been our ally, even to the point that we, long before Bush, ignored his civil rights violations to do business with him...backed his play against Iran...granted we were a bit two-faced on that one but why did Bush do it?

Perhaps to gain points with the Saudi's?

Or maybe the Israeli's?

If memory serves correctly, Saddam didn't threaten to change over to the Euro as a base for oil trade until later on.

Perhaps Bush just felt he needed a war and Saddam was the most likely sucker?

 

[Si modo]

Still with your off-topic nonsense, eh? LMAO.

Focus.

ADD is nothing to brag about.

 

[Huh?]

Still with your off-topic nonsense, eh? LMAO.

Focus.

ADD is nothing to brag about.

You ADD so much to the conversation Sigh moron.

 

[Si modo]

Still with your off-topic nonsense, eh? LMAO.

Focus.

ADD is nothing to brag about.

You ADD so much to the conversation Sigh moron.

I realize others off topic comments seem like shiney objects for those spinning their wheels, but it's really not an excuse to let your ADD get control of you. Now, try not to focus on me, either.

The "good war"?

 

[Contumacious]

The part that I have a hard time understanding is what happened between Bush Sr. and Saddam that made Bush want to turn on him..er?

History Repeating, But Faster​

On July 25th, after the massing of Iraqi troops on the Kuwaiti border, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam regarding a possible invasion of Kuwait, that "the United States has no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait." "James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this."

On July 26th, the Washington Post reported that "some officials" in the White House, Pentagon, and State Department "asserted yesterday that an Iraq attack on Kuwait would not draw a U.S. military response."

On July 30th, assistant secretary of state John Kelly confirmed to the House Middle East subcommittee, in response to a question by Lee Hamilton (D-IN), that nothing obligated us to engage U.S. forces there."

When Saddam, acting on the winks and nods, invaded Kuwait on August 2, he went from ally to Adolf overnight. Bush poured troops into Saudi Arabia, but to do so, he had to twist the Saudis' arm with angry visits from Dick Cheney and others.

Unnamed Defense Department officials were quoted as complaining about Saudi "wimps who don't want to defend themselves." The pressure worked, of course, and now – as Baker crows – the U.S. will protect its kings and kinglets with a "new regional security arrangement," courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer.

Bush's lying lips told us the troops were there for purely defensive purposes; meanwhile he and Baker worked busily, checkbooks in hand, getting U.N. members to authorize an attack. Then, right after the November election, Bush doubled the number of troops, forbade rotations, went on the offensive, and announced that he would attack if Saddam weren't out unconditionally by January 15th.

For home consumption, Bush announced that Baker would go to Baghdad, and travel the "last mile for peace," on "any date between now and the U.N. deadline of January 15th" that Iraq picked. But the offer was fraudulent. When Saddam said OK, and picked January 12th, Bush denounced him and cancelled the deal.

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