I Think That I Just Discovered The Reason Why The Black Crime Rate In America Is So High

[Hafar1014]

Horseshit! You are the ignorant one

Social safety net programs did not destroy the Black family, but historical policies often made them vulnerable to state surveillance and poverty traps. Structural challenges—including the legacy of slavery, mass incarceration, and labor market discrimination—have been far more destabilizing than direct social assistance.

Other factors that shaped impact of the welfare system on family structures:

• The "Marriage Penalty" Debate: Some conservative critics, most notably tracing back to the 1965 Moynihan Report, argued that early welfare models (like AFDC) inadvertently incentivized family separation. Because families often lost benefits if an employed male lived in the home, some couples felt forced to separate on paper to access survival resources.
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• Systemic Flaws Over Family "Destruction": Progressive scholars and organizations, such as the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, argue that welfare policies did not destroy the family but were designed with inadequate benefits and stringent restrictions. These designs trapped families in poverty and created disincentives for upward mobility.
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• Broader Destabilizing Factors: Decades of economic data and studies show that mass incarceration and discriminatory housing or banking practices severely fractured Black family units. These intersecting factors devastated communities independently of social safety nets.

The great society destroyed the black family and they knew it would. If you dont agree then what did destroy the black family? Answer that put up or shut up

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The great society destroyed the black family and they knew it would. If you dont agree then what did destroy the black family? Answer that put up or shut up

Holy shit on a shingle!! Are you illiterate ? Did you read my posts?? Can you read? Can you process information? What a stupid question!!

 

[Hafar1014]

Holy shit on a shingle!! Are you illiterate ? Did you read my posts?? Can you read? Can you process information? What a stupid question!!

Why did demcrats destroy the two parent black family and advocate single mothers no father families when its the main cause of poverty and crime

 

[otto105]

Stopped them from killing all their babies, but white leftists like you are VERY big on promoting black genocide through the targeted abortions you shill.

You think the republic did what now…

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Why did demcrats destroy the two parent black family and advocate single mothers no father families when its the main cause of poverty and crime

That is a very stupid question and you’ve asked it a least twice now. It is stupid because you’re starting with the assumption that the Democrats/ Great Society did in fact destroy the black family and that it was done intentionally. You don’t really want an answer. You just want to place blame. And you do so not because you are all that concerned about the black family. Rather it's because you hate Democrats and “socialism”

It is far from clear that the Great Society programs destroyed the black family. I acknowledged that there was a down side and some negative outcomes. However , there is no proof that those negative side effects were intentional. It is a far more complex issue than you seem to be able to deal with. Your cognitive limitations are not my problem .

Yet here you , repeatedly bleating about how Democrats destroyed the black family without any real understanding of all of the social and economic forces involved. It’s apparent that all you want to do is make noise about Democrats and the welfare state. It’s also apparent that you have no real desire to learn anything or tom have an actual adult conversation ,

Once again, read my extensive posts on the topic, specifically # 167, 169 and 178. I doubt that you read them at all, and certainly not with comprehension

I will ask the question that you avoided once again: Given the social and economic realities that black people faced- what would you have done ? Since you despise the Great Society so much - and since you care deeply about the black family- surly you can articulate an alternative

A final note: Let the record show that you never actually reply directly to the points that I make-including the list of lies and half truths that I called you on

 

[Hafar1014]

That is a very stupid question and you’ve asked it a least twice now. It is stupid because you’re starting with the assumption that the Democrats/ Great Society did in fact destroy the black family and that it was done intentionally. You don’t really want an answer. You just want to place blame. And you do so not because you are all that concerned about the black family. Rather it's because you hate Democrats and “socialism”

It is far from clear that the Great Society programs destroyed the black family. I acknowledged that there was a down side and some negative outcomes. However , there is no proof that those negative side effects were intentional. It is a far more complex issue than you seem to be able to deal with. Your cognitive limitations are not my problem .

Yet here you , repeatedly bleating about how Democrats destroyed the black family without any real understanding of all of the social and economic forces involved. It’s apparent that all you want to do is make noise about Democrats and the welfare state. It’s also apparent that you have no real desire to learn anything or tom have an actual adult conversation ,

Once again, read my extensive posts on the topic, specifically # 167, 169 and 178. I doubt that you read them at all, and certainly not with comprehension

I will ask the question that you avoided once again: Given the social and economic realities that black people faced- what would you have done ? Since you despise the Great Society so much - and since you care deeply about the black family- surly you can articulate an alternative

A final note: Let the record show that you never actually reply directly to the points that I make-including the list of lies and half truths that I called you on

Welfare destroyed the black family. Progressives demand equity in every aspect of life except the two parent family. They advocate single mothers. If welfare did not destroy the black family then the blame falls on their dysfunctional culture with poor moral values.
You dont make points you make excuses. Democrats created the Great Society it destroyed the black father leading to increased poverty and crime



Welfare May Have Played a Role

Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System

Too many American children experience the hurt from broken bonds at an early age. About 35% of American adolescents live without one of their parents, and around 40% of American children are born outside of marriage. Although these kids’ parents are usually in a relationship or even cohabiting...

ifstudies.org

It is important to realize that things weren’t always so. The black American family provides a stark example. From 1890 to 1950, black women had a higher marriage rate than white women. And in 1950, just 9% of black children lived without their father. By 1960, the black marriage rate had declined but remained close to the white marriage rate. In other words, despite open racism and widespread poverty, strong black families used to be the norm.

But by the mid-1980s, black fatherlessness skyrocketed. Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home. In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today.

One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,4 and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government.

In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status.

The benefits available were extremely generous. According to Peterson, it was “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings.
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The Welfare State Did What Slavery Couldn’t Do​

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The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do….And that is to destroy the black family. –Walter E. Williams, the Wall Street Journal

On August 14, the Commission on Social Status of Black Men and Boys Act was signed into law. It establishes a nineteen-member panel within the Commission on Civil Rights to examine social problems that disproportionately affect black males.
Yet another objection to the commission is that its members almost certainly accept “the legacy of slavery” as the cause of any racism in America. This means it will not address the single most powerful cause of black impoverishment: the decline of the black family, for which government bears much responsibility. The black social theorist Thomas Sowell, who teaches at Stanford University, has written extensively on the decline of the black family. In his article “A Legacy of Liberalism,” Sowell rejects the argument that current black impoverishment is the residue of slavery or due to inherent racism. He refers to “the legacy of slavery” argument as a reason not to think about the subject or rely on evidence, because it replaces research with an emotional reaction. “If we wanted to be serious about evidence,” Sowell observed, “we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state….Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and ‘war on poverty’ programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.”

In his article “The Legacy of the Welfare State,” Williams agreed. “The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure. Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households. But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?…Here’s my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?”

In another article Sowell answered, “A vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression. In 1960, before this expansion of the welfare state, 22 percent of black children were raised with only one parent. By 1985, 67 percent of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.” The percentage has held fairly steady since then. And, statistically, the parent figure is usually a mother or a grandmother.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That is a very stupid question and you’ve asked it a least twice now. It is stupid because you’re starting with the assumption that the Democrats/ Great Society did in fact destroy the black family and that it was done intentionally. You don’t really want an answer. You just want to place blame. And you do so not because you are all that concerned about the black family. Rather it's because you hate Democrats and “socialism”

It is far from clear that the Great Society programs destroyed the black family. I acknowledged that there was a down side and some negative outcomes. However , there is no proof that those negative side effects were intentional. It is a far more complex issue than you seem to be able to deal with. Your cognitive limitations are not my problem .

Yet here you , repeatedly bleating about how Democrats destroyed the black family without any real understanding of all of the social and economic forces involved. It’s apparent that all you want to do is make noise about Democrats and the welfare state. It’s also apparent that you have no real desire to learn anything or tom have an actual adult conversation ,

Once again, read my extensive posts on the topic, specifically # 167, 169 and 178. I doubt that you read them at all, and certainly not with comprehension

I will ask the question that you avoided once again: Given the social and economic realities that black people faced- what would you have done ? Since you despise the Great Society so much - and since you care deeply about the black family- surly you can articulate an alternative

A final note: Let the record show that you never actually reply directly to the points that I make-including the list of lies and half truths that I called you on

This explains a lot about you

AI Overview


The Institute for Family Studies (IFS) is a Charlottesville, Virginia-based non-profit think tank founded in 2013. It is dedicated to strengthening marriage and the "natural family" through research, public education, and advocacy.

SourceWatch +2
Key Information & Activities:

• Ideology: It operates from a conservative, right-of-center perspective, resting on the social-science premise that children generally thrive best when raised by their own married biological parents.
  
  
  SourceWatch +1
• Core Initiatives: IFS runs targeted programs such as the Get Married Initiative (led by co-founder Brad Wilcox), the Pronatalism Initiative(tracking and proposing policies to reverse declining birth rates), and the
  Family First Technology Initiative
  • Publications: The institute is widely known for the World Family Map Reports, tracking global family trends, and publishes a popular blog featuring relationship and parenting advice.
    

 

[Meathead]

Welfare destroyed the black family. Progressives demand equity in every aspect of life except the two parent family. They advocate single mothers. If welfare did not destroy the black family then the blame falls on their dysfunctional culture with poor moral values.
You dont make points you make excuses. Democrats created the Great Society it destroyed the black father leading to increased poverty and crime



Welfare May Have Played a Role

Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System

Too many American children experience the hurt from broken bonds at an early age. About 35% of American adolescents live without one of their parents, and around 40% of American children are born outside of marriage. Although these kids’ parents are usually in a relationship or even cohabiting...

ifstudies.org

It is important to realize that things weren’t always so. The black American family provides a stark example. From 1890 to 1950, black women had a higher marriage rate than white women. And in 1950, just 9% of black children lived without their father. By 1960, the black marriage rate had declined but remained close to the white marriage rate. In other words, despite open racism and widespread poverty, strong black families used to be the norm.

But by the mid-1980s, black fatherlessness skyrocketed. Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home. In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today.

One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,4 and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government.

In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status.

The benefits available were extremely generous. According to Peterson, it was “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings.
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The Welfare State Did What Slavery Couldn’t Do​

Lee esto en Español
Tags:Poverty,Socialism,U.S. History
09/09/2020•Mises Wire•Wendy McElroy
Print this page
The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do….And that is to destroy the black family. –Walter E. Williams, the Wall Street Journal

On August 14, the Commission on Social Status of Black Men and Boys Act was signed into law. It establishes a nineteen-member panel within the Commission on Civil Rights to examine social problems that disproportionately affect black males.
Yet another objection to the commission is that its members almost certainly accept “the legacy of slavery” as the cause of any racism in America. This means it will not address the single most powerful cause of black impoverishment: the decline of the black family, for which government bears much responsibility. The black social theorist Thomas Sowell, who teaches at Stanford University, has written extensively on the decline of the black family. In his article “A Legacy of Liberalism,” Sowell rejects the argument that current black impoverishment is the residue of slavery or due to inherent racism. He refers to “the legacy of slavery” argument as a reason not to think about the subject or rely on evidence, because it replaces research with an emotional reaction. “If we wanted to be serious about evidence,” Sowell observed, “we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state….Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and ‘war on poverty’ programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.”

In his article “The Legacy of the Welfare State,” Williams agreed. “The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure. Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households. But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?…Here’s my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?”

In another article Sowell answered, “A vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression. In 1960, before this expansion of the welfare state, 22 percent of black children were raised with only one parent. By 1985, 67 percent of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.” The percentage has held fairly steady since then. And, statistically, the parent figure is usually a mother or a grandmother.

Yeah, LBJ really fvcked America, especially black America up, but he did get the jungle bunny vote in doing so.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Welfare destroyed the black family. Progressives demand equity in every aspect of life except the two parent family. They advocate single mothers. If welfare did not destroy the black family then the blame falls on their dysfunctional culture with poor moral values.
You dont make points you make excuses. Democrats created the Great Society it destroyed the black father leading to increased poverty and crime



Welfare May Have Played a Role

Family Breakdown and America’s Welfare System

Too many American children experience the hurt from broken bonds at an early age. About 35% of American adolescents live without one of their parents, and around 40% of American children are born outside of marriage. Although these kids’ parents are usually in a relationship or even cohabiting...

ifstudies.org

It is important to realize that things weren’t always so. The black American family provides a stark example. From 1890 to 1950, black women had a higher marriage rate than white women. And in 1950, just 9% of black children lived without their father. By 1960, the black marriage rate had declined but remained close to the white marriage rate. In other words, despite open racism and widespread poverty, strong black families used to be the norm.

But by the mid-1980s, black fatherlessness skyrocketed. Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home. In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today.

One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,4 and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government.

In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status.

The benefits available were extremely generous. According to Peterson, it was “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings.
==========================================================================

The Welfare State Did What Slavery Couldn’t Do​

Lee esto en Español
Tags:Poverty,Socialism,U.S. History
09/09/2020•Mises Wire•Wendy McElroy
Print this page
The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do….And that is to destroy the black family. –Walter E. Williams, the Wall Street Journal

On August 14, the Commission on Social Status of Black Men and Boys Act was signed into law. It establishes a nineteen-member panel within the Commission on Civil Rights to examine social problems that disproportionately affect black males.
Yet another objection to the commission is that its members almost certainly accept “the legacy of slavery” as the cause of any racism in America. This means it will not address the single most powerful cause of black impoverishment: the decline of the black family, for which government bears much responsibility. The black social theorist Thomas Sowell, who teaches at Stanford University, has written extensively on the decline of the black family. In his article “A Legacy of Liberalism,” Sowell rejects the argument that current black impoverishment is the residue of slavery or due to inherent racism. He refers to “the legacy of slavery” argument as a reason not to think about the subject or rely on evidence, because it replaces research with an emotional reaction. “If we wanted to be serious about evidence,” Sowell observed, “we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state….Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and ‘war on poverty’ programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.”

In his article “The Legacy of the Welfare State,” Williams agreed. “The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure. Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households. But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?…Here’s my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?”

In another article Sowell answered, “A vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression. In 1960, before this expansion of the welfare state, 22 percent of black children were raised with only one parent. By 1985, 67 percent of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.” The percentage has held fairly steady since then. And, statistically, the parent figure is usually a mother or a grandmother.

You said: Welfare destroyed the black family. Progressives demand equity in every aspect of life except the two parent family. They advocate single mothers. If welfare did not destroy the black family then the blame falls on their dysfunctional culture with poor moral values.

This one passage right here is a clear indication of your limited cognitive abilities. You’re given to concrete , binary , simplistic thinking-insisting on and “either /or “ while ignoring the socio -economic and racist complexities of the forces impacting black families.

I previously acknowledged the negative effects of the early welfare system . Mistakes were made but to say that Democrats advocate single mothers, and that the INTENT of the great society was to destroy that black family is dishonest and in fact moronic balderdash . It appears that you will stop at nothing, and have no shame when it comes to lies about Democrats and their social programs

Democrats do not actively work to promote single-parent families as a preferred household structure, but rather focus on supporting and stabilizing the economic and social well-being of the diverse, existing families in the United States. I defy you to provide an example of how promoting single parent families was a position taken by Democrats.

The Democratic Party approaches family policy through several core platforms:

• Economic Safety Nets: Democrats focus on alleviating the financial hardships that often disproportionately affect single-parent households by advocating for social welfare programs, such as the Center for American Progress report on the economic status of single mothers. [1]
• Family Support & Childcare: The party champions legislation designed to lower the cost of living and caregiving for all families. This includes efforts to make childcare more affordable and expand tax credits for working parents. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Responsible Fatherhood Policies: Democrats have also historically supported policy initiatives focused on responsible fatherhood, seeking to deal with absentee fatherhood and encourage financial and emotional support for children, regardless of marital status

Historians, economists, and sociologists debate the impact of President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society on the Black family. While critics argue that welfare incentives unintentionally discouraged marriage, others maintain that broader societal shifts, systemic inequalities, and changing economic landscapes were the primary drivers

I am acknowledging the fact that you are not alone in your views about the effects of the great society programs. I am presenting a balanced assessment of the pros and cons . At the same time you are arrogantly bleating that “Democrats destroyed the black family” and have shown no indication that you have an interest in, or the ability, to see both sides of the issue and have a mature discussion about it. That tells me that you lack a certain level of emotional intelligence to deal with the topic beyond your arrogant “ I am right” assertions while rejecting all other points of view and filtering out all competing information

Scholars and public policy experts offer varying perspectives on the topic:

• The Welfare Disincentive Argument: Critics, drawing heavily from the 1965 Moynihan Report, argue that programs like Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) inadvertently incentivized single-parent households. They contend that early "man in the house" rules—which often cut off welfare benefits if an able-bodied adult male was present—pressured low-income fathers to leave home, contributing to a decline in two-parent families. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Broader Societal and Economic Shifts: Other researchers and historians argue the Great Society is not the sole, or even primary, cause of this structural change. They note that similar trends, including rising rates of single parenthood and out-of-wedlock births, affected working-class white and Hispanic demographics as well. Furthermore, broader cultural shifts, deindustrialization, and mass incarceration are frequently cited as massive destabilizing forces
• Positive Economic Impacts: Proponents of the Great Society emphasize its positive, measurable outcomes. Federal programs in the mid-to-late 1960s expanded access to food, health care, and education, leading to a historic reduction in Black poverty. Median Black family income grew, and Black employment in professional and technical occupations surged during this era. [1]