I rest my case!

[Saigon]

Hebron, Jews fought the crusaders. Jerusalem, Jews maintained a presence. And so in and so forth. The Jews maintained a presence in the land of their forefathers. .

Demographics, 1850. Number of households.

Jaffa Countryside:

Muslim:, 3349 households
Jewish: 0

Jinin:

Muslim: 656 households
Jewish: 0

There was always a Jewish population in 2 or 3 towns like Jerusalem, of course, but as has been posted several times now, they were a distinct minority population in those towns, and by 1690 there were only 2,000 Jews in the region.

Please address this point.

Minority shminority. The Jews maintained a presence in their holy land and the land of their ancestors. Many people invaded and controlled Israel at one point in time or another. Persians, Romans, Christians, Arabs, Turks, British. Actually Israel has been stuck in this never ending tug of war between Islam and Christianity, with Jerusalem as its main prize. Not much has changed over time, but the fact that the land truly belongs to the Jews is indisputable.

Right. So it is indisuputable that cities like Nazareth and Gaza belong to the Jews, even though Jews have NEVER lived there.

Brilliant.

 

[Roudy]

Israel currently has about 60% Jews that have fled Arab Islamic oppression and barbarism. More ignorance.

So Jews moved to Israel to flee Arabic Islamic oppression?

Are you sure?

The CIA factbook lists the % of Israelis who are Jewish as 74.% - why do you claim it is only 60%?

btw. Stil waiting for you to address the 3 points made earlier, and now posted 3 times for you to answer.

60% of Israelis are Sephardic / mizrahi Jews. Most of them still speak Arabic or the language of the Muslim shithole they had to run from. You are more ignorant than I thought. Previous Israeli Presient was an Iranian Jew, Shaol Mofaz previous defense minister is I believe an Iraqi Jew.

 

[Roudy]

Where and when did you study it?

Which universities did you attend, and in which Arabic country?

Which language were the courses in?

Or are you just relying on gossip and hearsay?

I'm not like you.

No, you're not - because I only post about countries that I have been to personally, and I have studied this topic whereas you haven't.

Quite apart from formal studies, what is very clear on this thread is that you lack both the honesty and literacy to discuss this topic at any level above that of sandpit. You struggle to understand the difference between words like "control" and "own", you either dodge or geninely don't understand most points made by other posters, and 90% of your own posts read like ee cummings channeling Eichmann.

You post lies and total falsehoods it's pretty obvious you have no real experience or knowledge. You're also extremely ignorant, a simpleton.

 

[Saigon]

60% of Israelis are Sephardic / mizrahi Jews. Most of them still speak Arabic or the language of the Muslim shithole they had to run from. .

Sephardi: a Jew who is of Spanish or Portuguese or North African descent.

Sephardi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And no, most Sepharidc Jews do not speak Arabic.


And this time I really do expect you to admit that you are wrong.

 

[Roudy]

Demographics, 1850. Number of households.

Jaffa Countryside:

Muslim:, 3349 households
Jewish: 0

Jinin:

Muslim: 656 households
Jewish: 0

There was always a Jewish population in 2 or 3 towns like Jerusalem, of course, but as has been posted several times now, they were a distinct minority population in those towns, and by 1690 there were only 2,000 Jews in the region.

Please address this point.

Minority shminority. The Jews maintained a presence in their holy land and the land of their ancestors. Many people invaded and controlled Israel at one point in time or another. Persians, Romans, Christians, Arabs, Turks, British. Actually Israel has been stuck in this never ending tug of war between Islam and Christianity, with Jerusalem as its main prize. Not much has changed over time, but the fact that the land truly belongs to the Jews is indisputable.

Right. So it is indisuputable that cities like Nazareth and Gaza belong to the Jews, even though Jews have NEVER lived there.

Brilliant.

Nazareth? Isn't that where that famous Jew Jesus the Zionist Rabbi was born? You sure know how to put your foot in your mouth.

 

[Saigon]

Israel currently has about 60% Jews that have fled Arab Islamic oppression and barbarism.

CIA Factbook:

Jewish 76.4% (of which Israel-born 67.1%, Europe/America-born 22.6%, Africa-born 5.9%, Asia-born 4.2%), non-Jewish 23.6% (mostly Arab) (2004)

and elsewhere...

"Today, Ashkenazi Jews constitute the largest group among Jews, and among Israeli Jews as well."

Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saigon]

Nazareth? Isn't that where that famous Jew Jesus the Zionist Rabbi was born? You sure know how to put your foot in your mouth.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, genius....

 

[Roudy]

60% of Israelis are Sephardic / mizrahi Jews. Most of them still speak Arabic or the language of the Muslim shithole they had to run from. .

Sephardi: a Jew who is of Spanish or Portuguese or North African descent.

Sephardi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And no, most Sepharidc Jews do not speak Arabic.


And this time I really do expect you to admit that you are wrong.

Now the fucking moron wants to tell a Jew what Sephardic means. Ha ha ha. Does this idiot even read the links it provides? You haven't been right about ONE THING, NOT ONE. Here retard, Eat more shit. From your link:

For religious purposes, the term Sephardim means all Jews who use a Sephardic style of liturgy, and therefore includes most Jews of Middle Eastern background, whether or not they have any historical connection to the Iberian Peninsula. Most of these communities (with some exceptions such as the Yemenites) do in fact use much the same religious ritual as the Sephardim proper and, like them, base their religious law on the Shulchan Aruch without the glosses of Moses Isserles. When used in this sense, "Sephardim" should be translated not as "Spanish Jews" but as "Jews of the Spanish rite". (In the same way, Ashkenazim means "Jews of the German rite", whether or not their families actually originate in Germany.)
Accordingly, in the vernacular of modern-day Jews in Israel and worldwide, especially many Ashkenazi Jews, "Sephardi" has come to be used as an umbrella term for any Jew who is not Ashkenazi. This nomenclature is often perceived as unsatisfactory[who?], and a variety of other terms have been coined.
A term in common use for non-Ashkenazi Jewish communities that historically are not of Spanish descent is Mizrahim, which in Hebrew means "Easterners". In current use, Mizrahi Jews is a convenient way to refer collectively to a wide range of Jewish communities, most of which are as unrelated to each other as they are to either the Sephardi (in the narrower sense) or Ashkenazi communities. They include in particular the communities living in, or coming from, Southern Arabia (Yemen), Mesopotamia (Iraq), Syria, Persia (Iran) and India. The distinction between Sephardim and Mizrahim is not watertight as many communities (e.g. Syrian Jews ) are ethnically speaking a mixture between local Jews and later arrivals of Jews from Spain and Portugal.
Moroccan and other North African Jews (sometimes known as "Maghrebi Jews") are closely associated with the Sephardim proper (Jews of Iberian descent), both because the Jewish community of Al-Andalus was itself partly of Maghrebi Jewish origin and because many Sephardim settled in North Africa after their expulsion from Spain.

 

[Roudy]

60% of Israelis are Sephardic / mizrahi Jews. Most of them still speak Arabic or the language of the Muslim shithole they had to run from. .

Sephardi: a Jew who is of Spanish or Portuguese or North African descent.

Sephardi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And no, most Sepharidc Jews do not speak Arabic.


And this time I really do expect you to admit that you are wrong.

Now the fucking moron wants to tell a Jew what Sephardic means. Ha ha ha. Does this idiot even read the links it provides? You haven't been right about ONE THING, NOT ONE. Here retard, Eat more shit. From your link:

For religious purposes, the term Sephardim means all Jews who use a Sephardic style of liturgy, and therefore includes most Jews of Middle Eastern background, whether or not they have any historical connection to the Iberian Peninsula. Most of these communities (with some exceptions such as the Yemenites) do in fact use much the same religious ritual as the Sephardim proper and, like them, base their religious law on the Shulchan Aruch without the glosses of Moses Isserles. When used in this sense, "Sephardim" should be translated not as "Spanish Jews" but as "Jews of the Spanish rite". (In the same way, Ashkenazim means "Jews of the German rite", whether or not their families actually originate in Germany.)
Accordingly, in the vernacular of modern-day Jews in Israel and worldwide, especially many Ashkenazi Jews, "Sephardi" has come to be used as an umbrella term for any Jew who is not Ashkenazi. This nomenclature is often perceived as unsatisfactory[who?], and a variety of other terms have been coined.
A term in common use for non-Ashkenazi Jewish communities that historically are not of Spanish descent is Mizrahim, which in Hebrew means "Easterners". In current use, Mizrahi Jews is a convenient way to refer collectively to a wide range of Jewish communities, most of which are as unrelated to each other as they are to either the Sephardi (in the narrower sense) or Ashkenazi communities. They include in particular the communities living in, or coming from, Southern Arabia (Yemen), Mesopotamia (Iraq), Syria, Persia (Iran) and India. The distinction between Sephardim and Mizrahim is not watertight as many communities (e.g. Syrian Jews ) are ethnically speaking a mixture between local Jews and later arrivals of Jews from Spain and Portugal.
Moroccan and other North African Jews (sometimes known as "Maghrebi Jews") are closely associated with the Sephardim proper (Jews of Iberian descent), both because the Jewish community of Al-Andalus was itself partly of Maghrebi Jewish origin and because many Sephardim settled in North Africa after their expulsion from Spain.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

Please admit that you were wrong, and we can move back to some of the other 6 points you keep dodging.

Sephardic Jews are NOT the largest Jewish community in Israel.

They DO NOT constitute 60% of the population.

Sephardic Jews are generally not from Arabic-speaking countries.

Most Sephardic Jews DO NOT speak Arabic.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

Please admit that you were wrong, and we can move back to some of the other 6 points you keep dodging.

Sephardic Jews are NOT the largest Jewish community in Israel.

They DO NOT constitute 60% of the population.

Sephardic Jews are generally not from Arabic-speaking countries.

Most Sephardic Jews DO NOT speak Arabic.

Sephardic Jews are MOSTLY from middle eastern / Arabic countries. You just proved you are a know nothing illiterate imposter. I seriously doubt anything you claim about your "experience". Gawd your ignorance is astounding. Anybody who knows even a little about the Middle East and Israel, knows that the term Sephardic refers to Middle Eastern Jews. You are an imposter and a liar.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy -

Please admit that you were wrong, and we can move back to some of the other 6 points you keep dodging.

Sephardic Jews are NOT the largest Jewish community in Israel.

They DO NOT constitute 60% of the population.

Sephardic Jews are generally not from Arabic-speaking countries.

Most Sephardic Jews DO NOT speak Arabic.

Did you just read what I just posted from YOUR LINK, you fucking retard?

 

[Roudy]

Nazareth? Isn't that where that famous Jew Jesus the Zionist Rabbi was born? You sure know how to put your foot in your mouth.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, genius....

Tell me, do you enjoy eating shit? Nazareth not a Jewish city? Jesus was not Jesus of Nazareth? You really don't get out often do you? I understand, it's uncomfortable with that veil.

Nazareth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In English translations of the New Testament, the phrase "Jesus of Nazareth" appears seventeen times where the Greek has the form "Jesus the Nazarene" or "Jesus the Nazoraean."[14] Though a standard English concordance of the King James Version (e.g., Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible) lists "Nazareth" twenty-nine times, the place is actually named only twelve times in surviving Greek versions of the New Testament,[6] where it appears in several forms: Nazara, Nazaret, Nazareth, Nazarat, Nazarath. The other English references come from the Greek adjective nazarenos, "of Nazareth" applied to Jesus.

Middle Roman to Byzantine periods





Basilica of the Annunciation
A Hebrew inscription found in Caesarea dating to the late 3rd or early 4th century mentions Nazareth as the home of the priestly Hapizzez family after the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135 AD).[49] From the three fragments that have been found, the inscription seems to be a list of the twenty-four priestly courses (cf. 1 Chronicles 24:7-19; Nehemiah 11;12), with each course (or family) assigned its proper order and the name of each town or village in Galilee where it settled. Nazareth is not spelled with the "z" sound but with the Hebrew tsade (thus "Nasareth" or "Natsareth").[50] Eleazar Kalir (a Hebrew Galilean poet variously dated from the 6th to 10th century) mentions a locality clearly in the Nazareth region bearing the name Nazareth נצרת (in this case vocalized "Nitzrat"), which was home to the descendants of the 18th Kohen family Happitzetz (הפצ&#1509, for at least several centuries after the Bar Kochva revolt.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

When you have admitted that this statement:

60% of Israelis are Sephardic / mizrahi Jews. Most of them still speak Arabic or the language of the Muslim shithole they had to run from.

is wrong in every detail, we can go back to the six points you have been dodging.

again -

CIA Factbook:

Jewish 76.4% (of which Israel-born 67.1%, Europe/America-born 22.6%, Africa-born 5.9%, Asia-born 4.2%), non-Jewish 23.6% (mostly Arab) (2004)

and elsewhere...

"Today, Ashkenazi Jews constitute the largest group among Jews, and among Israeli Jews as well."

Sephardic Jews are NOT the largest Jewish community in Israel.

They DO NOT constitute 60% of the population.

Sephardic Jews are generally not from Arabic-speaking countries.

Most Sephardic Jews DO NOT speak Arabic.

 

[Saigon]

Roudy -

Jesus was born in Bethlehem - not as you claim in Nazareth. His family lived near Nazareth prior to his birth.

First, there are the historic reasons. The Gospels, unfortunately, offer conflicting data. The Gospel of Luke indicates Jesus was born in Bethlehem because a census was being taken that required Joseph to leave Nazareth to return to his ancestral home of Bethlehem. That census, by the way, was conducted in 4 c.e. The Gospel of Matthew implies Joseph and Mary were already living in Bethlehem when Jesus was born. The Gospels of Mark and John don't address the Nativity and simply refer to Jesus was being from Nazareth.

Why Was Jesus Born in Bethlehem? - BinghamBooks

Again - please admit that you were wrong so that we can move back to the 6 points you are dodging.

 

[Roudy]

You did not claim Britain "controlled" the land. You claimed Britain "owned" the land.

Please address the point and stop dodging.

Again -

You say again here that the Jews used terror attacks and violence to take control of the land.

On what basis does that amount to legal ownership of the land?

On what basis do you say that Arabs "did not own" the land they lived on?

Owned, controlled, ruled, what the fuck ever. Sheesh...talk about getting desperate.

Do you not understand the difference between the words "own" and "control"?

Because if not, I think we have to consider your literacy is simply too poor to hold even the most basic conversation on this topic.

According to any defintion of owned or controlled or ruled, that Arabs did none of it, when Israel was created. Your IQ seems to be less than your shoe size.

 

[Saigon]

According to any defintion of owned or controlled or ruled, that Arabs did none of it, when Israel was created.

Palestine demographics, 1850. Households

Hebron countryside:

Muslim: 2,830
Jewish: 0

Nablus countryside:

Muslim: 13,022
Jewish:0


Roudy -

Please admit that this claim is false, so that we can move on.

There are now 8 claims of yours which are clearly, totally and absolutely false, and which you know yourself are false.

 

[Roudy]

According to any defintion of owned or controlled or ruled, that Arabs did none of it, when Israel was created.

Palestine demographics, 1850. Households

Hebron countryside:

Muslim: 2,830
Jewish: 0

Nablus countryside:

Muslim: 13,022
Jewish:0


Roudy -

Please admit that this claim is false, so that we can move on.

There are now 8 claims of yours which are clearly, totally and absolutely false, and which you know yourself are false.

irrelevant and incomplete. cut and paste, used for propoganda purposes.

 

[Roudy]

According to any defintion of owned or controlled or ruled, that Arabs did none of it, when Israel was created.

Palestine demographics, 1850. Households

Hebron countryside:

Muslim: 2,830
Jewish: 0

Nablus countryside:

Muslim: 13,022
Jewish:0


Roudy -

Please admit that this claim is false, so that we can move on.

There are now 8 claims of yours which are clearly, totally and absolutely false, and which you know yourself are false.

irrelevant and incomplete. cut and paste, used for propoganda purposes.

You must be on drugs. You think your claim that Sephardic Jews aren't middle easterners is true? ha ha ha!

 

[docmauser1]

Is it any wonder that Zionists are almost universally disliked !!!

It isn't, of course, - zionists just don't want to roll over and die to give way for politically correct palistanian settlers and to please arabists.