I Don't Understand Why Democrats Keep Calling For Free Speech

[Robert W]

Here in the USA we take this approach:
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

How much will you fight for the right of Schumer and Jeffries to lie to the public?

 

[g5000]

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I Don't Understand Why Democrats Keep Calling For Free Speech​

They claim that it's free speech for them to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk and unfortunately it is, but where was his free speech to disagree with their views? Why must they murder people who don't agree with them?

You're saying "they", the Democrats, murdered Charlie Kirk.

Just look at yourself. Guilty of the same ******* bullshit you are whining about.

 

[ChristisKing]

Who gets to decide what is dangerous speech? Does paranoia get to decide who is or isn't dangerous? Does one group get to remove another group by calling them menacing?

Give them an inch and they will take a mile. What seemed like a good idea in the UK, has turned into a nightmare for its citizens, They arrest dozens daily for saying they don't think Muslims should be taking over their country. Innocuous things like, "I'm walking my dog whether Muslims are offended or not." gets jail time. Many countries are using social media posts to arrest their citizens. They are dismantling freedom one step at a time. Now their government has included flying their own flag to being offensive.
If you look at what has been said here about Trump, every one who posted negative things about him would be in jail if they lived anywhere else. It's the freedom to speak your mind here that separates us from them.
Here in the USA we take this approach:
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

Yes but the problem is that right now people are actually making threats. Directly or indirectly.

 

[Robert W]

Yes but the problem is that right now people are actually making threats. Directly or indirectly.

Many of your stated problems seems to me to be believing government is the only answer to all human problems.

 

[ChristisKing]

Many of your stated problems seems to me to be believing government is the only answer to all human problems.

You mean like try something with you and it's lights out?

 

[Robert W]

You mean like try something with you and it's lights out?

No!

 

[ChristisKing]

No!

Okay I thought that's what you were referring to. The second amendment. So what are you referring to then?

 

[Robert W]

You mean like try something with you and it's lights out?

Would you please list all of the freedoms you want to remove?

 

[ChristisKing]

Would you please list all of the freedoms you want to remove?

I wasn't saying anything about removing any freedom I was referring to your right to shoot anybody if they try anything with you and if that was what you were talking about. As you said something about the government isn't the solution to everything so I thought that's what you were talking about.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Unless you are Jimmy Kimmel or any of the people JD Vance has directed the MAGA horde to report to their employers for thoughtcrimes.

Jimmy Kimmel's ratings have tanked for some time. He is not entertaining. If he was making money for his owners, they would have issued a statement that his views aren't necessarily their views and kept him on the air. But they are exactly the same views as Kimmel's. It is why he is still there. If his ratings were poor before, wait until people are boycotting him for his views on Kirks death. The question is how long will the network continue to let him lose money for them...

 

[Robert W]

I wasn't saying anything about removing any freedom I was referring to your right to shoot anybody if they try anything with you and if that was what you were talking about. As you said something about the government isn't the solution to everything so I thought that's what you were talking about.

I don't have a right to shoot anybody. Am I talking to a democrat?

Government is supposed to be a group for the people, of the people and by the people.

 

[ChristisKing]

I don't have a right to shoot anybody. Am I talking to a democrat?

Yes you do. The second amendment. If somebody is threatening your life you have that right.

 

[The Irish Ram]

How much will you fight for the right of Schumer and Jeffries to lie to the public?

They can lie, and be shown to be liars. Why silence either? That would be the opposite of free speech.
Who would you trust to decide who to shut down, and who gets free rein?

 

[Robert W]

Yes you do. The second amendment. If somebody is threatening your life you have that right.

Read the second amendment again. What text are you quoting? Actually you make a case to kill the party attacking you. Such as the killers you at first seemed to be talking about.

 

[Robert W]

They can lie, and be shown to be liars. Why silence either? That would be the opposite of free speech.
Who would you trust to decide who to shut down, and who gets free rein?

I refuse to fight for Schumer.

 

[ChristisKing]

Read the second amendment again. What text are you quoting? Actually you make a case to kill the party attacking you.

If it's just simple disagreement and civil discussion with one another I don't see the need to, but death threats directly or indirectly it should be allowed even if they aren't physically attacking you was what I was referring to. That way Tyler Robinson would have been squashed instead of Charlie Kirk.

 

[Robert W]

If it's just simple disagreement and civil discussion with one another I don't see the need to, but death threats directly or indirectly it should be allowed even if they aren't physically attacking you was what I was referring to. That way Tyler Robinson would have been squashed instead of Charlie Kirk.

Again, what text from the second amendment are you quoting?

 

[ChristisKing]

Again, what text from the second amendment are you quoting?

Nothing this time. I don't actually know specifically what it states in the second amendment but something about the right to bear arms if the government tries to overthrow you or something, but I was simply suggesting that if even a threat against you is verbal it should be legal to shoot somebody because if that were the case Charlie Kirk would still be alive.




He probably would have been taken out by the government though in that case. Why he wasn't even arrested until it was too late is way beyond the realm of my understanding.


Btw, you should have known that I wasn't a democrat due to my other thread of saying that I don't want any part in uniting with them.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes but the problem is that right now people are actually making threats. Directly or indirectly.

Threatening to kill someone is generally not protected by free speech.
It can be prosecuted as a "true threat". The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that statements demonstrating a serious intent to commit unlawful violence against a specific individual or group, when considered in their full context, are unprotected speech. While pure advocacy of violence is sometimes protected, a direct threat to harm someone, especially if the speaker knows their words could be seen as threatening and recklessly delivers them, is not.

An example of indirectly and directly:
"I could just shoot you for saying that" vs "I know where you live, and I am going to kill you."

 

[ChristisKing]

Threatening to kill someone is generally not protected by free speech.
It can be prosecuted as a "true threat". The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that statements demonstrating a serious intent to commit unlawful violence against a specific individual or group, when considered in their full context, are unprotected speech. While pure advocacy of violence is sometimes protected, a direct threat to harm someone, especially if the speaker knows their words could be seen as threatening and recklessly delivers them, is not.

An example of indirectly and directly:
"I could just shoot you for saying that" vs "I know where you live, and I am going to kill you."

Yeah but when I was talking about indirect threats I was talking about that catch fascist thing. They didn't come right out and actually say that they wanted to kill people on those flyers but you know as well as I know what that meant.