Zone1 I am prepared to call Catholicism a cult

[ding]

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Mathew 5:22

 

[Votto]

One of the three major characteristics of cults is isolation from friends, families, and social networks. There is none of that in the Catholic Church. There is no manipulation or thought control. Everyone is easily free to come and go. That's the opposite of a cult.
Scientology, Mormonism, the Mafia, Communist governments? Those are cults.

The Baptist church up the road from me seems to be a bit of a cult. They have a popular pastor who does radio spots and all. One service, and I got this first hand, an employee of the church was called forward and reprimanded by the pastor in front of the entire congregation for some named transgression, and was publicly stripped of their duties. That would never happen in a Catholic Church.

Any church can become a cult,

Jim Jones proves that.

I suppose churches that refuse to hang on the Popes every word may not be a cult.

 

[Votto]

Source please and exact words and complete context, stupid intrigant guy. "cult" is by the way "culture" - and culture is the basis of civilisation. To call Catholics "uncultivated" and "uncivilized" is more than only strange. And words are no weapons. People need to know something. For to know something it needs to learn. And if someone doesn't like to learn then he is not only stupid but will always be stupid.

The Pope is heretical

It is what it is.

 

[irosie91]

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Mathew 5:22

So If I should go to hell - why do you like to follow me? Nevertheless I forgive you and if this should not be possible then I will be a liar and say to the devil you never called me a fool. This was only a mistake.

Matthew was a tax collector which is MESHUMAD ----damned shill for
the Romans. Find a reasonable source

The Pope is heretical

It is what it is.

all of them or just this current, somewhat weirdo one?

 

[Votto]

Matthew was a tax collector which is MESHUMAD ----damned shill for
the Romans. Find a reasonable source

all of them or just this current, somewhat weirdo one?

There is no prophesy regarding climate change, yet it is all the man talks about.

And he has said far more disturbing things, like saying that men are inherently good.

The man obviously has never opened a Bible.

Pope Francis draws accusations of heresy for claiming humans 'fundamentally good'

Pope Francis drew scorn and accusations of heresy on social media Sunday for maintaining during his recent 60 Minutes interview that the human heart is fundamentally good

www.christianpost.com

 

[Foxfyre]

MSN

Based on the Pontiff cult of personality that defies scripture.

The Pope preaches the gospel of Climate change now.

First he calls climate deniers "stupid". Ever hear Jesus call someone stupid? No? Neither have I. Then he shifts gears and go after scientists who challenge the Climate cult teachings as being perverse, unlike gay marriage. Then he calls the lot of them fools.

Trouble with calling someone a fool is, the Bible warns us on using the word as it only uses the term for those who deny God's existence.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

The Pontiff is the Jim Jones of Catholicism. He wants us all to drink the cool air of Climate change and starve to death as farmers around the world are told not to grow as much food in order to reduce carbon emissions due to fertilizers, as the world starves and deals with higher inflation due to food shortages..

The Roman Catholic Church has had a number of Popes who were more self serving and politician than defenders of the Faith. In fact the Popes' edicts were not infallible--the idea had been kicked around some--until Pope Pius IX declared the doctrine of Immaculate Conception infallible in 1854. From that time on, the RCC, by then competing for authority with Protestant leaders, agreed that the Pope issuing official doctrine was infallible in doing so.

Fast forward to modern day Catholicism. I defy anyone participating in a Catholic worship service to say the worship is not real. I know many many Catholics and have many in my own family and I don't recall a one of them ever mentioning the Pope except maybe in a harmless joke or maybe mention some important breaking news. But I'm pretty sure their relationship with God doesn't include a lot of thinking about the Pope. (His views on climate change etc. are his own and are not edicts of the Church. Some Catholics may agree with him about that and I'm sure many don't but it has nothing to do with catholicism per se.)

We mustn't tar all adherents to a faith or congregation because of one or two bad leaders or members. Jim Bakker was not typical of most Pentecostals. Jim Jones was not typical of any other members of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ.) Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptists do not come close to representing the 50+ million Baptists worldwide. Etc.

FYI I am not and have never been Catholic though I did work for the Catholics in a Catholic Hospital for a few years. One job I recall with very good memories.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Pope is heretical

It is what it is.

And what about if he is dragon and you are a speaking grill sausage? Would this change something in your sauce?

 

[zaangalewa]

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Mathew 5:22

By the way: It could be very good for you if you would not read what I write but understand what I say to you. You make out of everything an empty phrase.

 

[zaangalewa]

That's very Christian of you, brother.

Leck mich am Arsch, krimineller Bandit und Vollidiot.
Translation:
Kiss my ass, criminal bandit and moron.

Glaubst Du wirklich in meinen Familien hätte irgendeiner die Nazis überlebt wenn sie leeren egozentrischen Phrasendreschern wie Dir auch nur das Geringste geglaubt hätten?
Translation:
Do you really think anyone in my families would have survived the Nazis if they had believed empty egocentric phrase-mongers like you?

 

[zaangalewa]

Matthew was a tax collector which is MESHUMAD ----damned shill for
the Romans. Find a reasonable source

First: This gospel is named "Matthew" what doesn't automatically mean Matthew wrote it. Second: Truth is always true - independent from the source. Third: Hopefully the tax collectors and custom officers in your country are soulfully Christians and not Commies or clan members of people like mafiosi for example.

all of them or just this current, somewhat weirdo one?

Eh? Makes this part of your "message" any sense now? Looks like you do not love the bible. That's no problem as long as god loves you. Many people - but measured in parts per million - know what's really written there. Listen to your heart - to your heart - not to this what others tell you what is your heart.

 

[irosie91]

First: This gospel is named "Matthew" what doesn't automatically mean Matthew wrote it. Second: Truth is always true - independent from the source. Third: Hopefully the tax collectors and custom officers in your country are soulfully Christians and not Commies or clan members of people like mafiosi for example.



Eh? Makes this part of your "message" any sense?

matthew didn't write matthew? who wrote it?

 

[zaangalewa]

matthew didn't write matthew? who wrote it?

Perhaps he wrote it, perhaps others wrote it. That's unimportant. The textes of the bible are written over long centuries from hundreds of authors and thousands of co-authors who spoke directly (or indirectly) with the eyewitnesses. This textes tell a lot about life and about god and what he "said" to us all.

 

[irosie91]

Perhaps he wrote it, perhaps others wrote it. That's unimportant. The textes of the bible are written over long centuries from hundreds of authors and thousands of co-authors who spoke directly (or indirectly) with the eyewitnesses. This textes tell a lot about life and about god and what he "said" to us all.

why is it unimportant?----it says ----something like (at least in translation)
"gospel according to matthew" Scriptural writings are a window----but
it seems to me that facts matter. The writings of matthew would say
something about matthew and his mindset PS----in english the plural of
'text' is 'texts'

 

[ding]

By the way: It could be very good for you if you would not read what I write but understand what I say to you. You make out of everything an empty phrase.

It would be even better if you did what you say. All of your "phrases" are empty because they are lip service to God.

 

[ding]

Leck mich am Arsch, krimineller Bandit und Vollidiot.
Translation:
Kiss my ass, criminal bandit and moron.

Glaubst Du wirklich in meinen Familien hätte irgendeiner die Nazis überlebt wenn sie leeren egozentrischen Phrasendreschern wie Dir auch nur das Geringste geglaubt hätten?
Translation:
Do you really think anyone in my families would have survived the Nazis if they had believed empty egocentric phrase-mongers like you?

That too is very Christian of you, brother.

 

[zaangalewa]

It would be even better if you did what you say.

I do what I say. And I say what I do. And sometimes I change something.

All of your "phrases" are empty because they are lip service to God.

You will never understand that no one needed/no one needs your empty "comments" = "attacks".

 

[zaangalewa]

That too is very Christian of you, brother.

If you were my brother, I would have to butcher and eat you - but I don't feel like it, anti-Christian Trump-fanatics.

 

[zaangalewa]

why is it unimportant? ...

Because truth is always true.

 

[zaangalewa]

PS----in english the plural of 'text' is 'texts'

So it is - my mistake - but this is on the other side unaesthetic: "textes" looks nicer and sounds better. Bad luck that you do not understand this plural.

 

[irosie91]

So it is - my mistake - but this is on the other side unaesthetic: "textes" looks nicer and sounds better. Bad luck that you do not understand this plural.

to me "textes" is just too close to "testes" I felt, as a matter of decorum,
compelled to comment