Zone1 I am prepared to call Catholicism a cult

[hobelim]

Probably not-----the misapprehension can be a result of an obsession

With testes? Alrighty then. I have no problem with your obsession. Obsess away.

 

[ding]

Ahem. You just responded to dingo. WTF

Didn't you notice that dingo was gibbering with zaang? I only responded to him at all because he compared another devout Catholic to me, calling them subversive. He crazy. In hell. Tortured.

Pay attention!

I heard that lack of sleep results in decreased neural function. Maybe you need to take a nap?

Did you notice he left after that?

And so did you.

 

[hobelim]

Did you notice he left after that?

And so did you.

Right. I hate to break the news to you ding but being repulsive is not a superpower.

Even if you're good at it.

 

[ding]

Right. I hate to break the news to you ding but being as repulsive as you are is not a superpower.

Even if you're really good at it.

You should take your own advice especially since you aren't very good at it. The only thing you are good at is showing people how unhappy you are.

 

[hobelim]

You should take your own advice especially since you aren't very good at it. The only thing you are good at is showing people how unhappy you are.

Oh, so you think my life is limited to discussing religion with rubes like you? I was once accused of not worrying about anything and being happy all the time as if that was really bad.

You are such a schmuck.

 

[ding]

Oh, so you think my life is limited to discussing religion with rubes like you? I was once accused of not worrying about anything and being happy all the time as if that was really bad.

You are such a schmuck.

I think you show how unhappy you are with almost every post you make.

 

[hobelim]

I think you show how unhappy you are with almost every post you make.

You think? Thats a laugh.

You think spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

Obviously, thinking isn't your strong suit.

 

[ding]

You think? Thats a laugh.

You think spiritual life can be handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

Obviously, thinking isn't your strong suit.

Calm down, Karl.

 

[ding]

Probably not-----the misapprehension can be a result of an obsession

He is the poster child for obsession.

 

[zaangalewa]

Hobelim couldn't have said that better.

This would be an indicator that perhaps something could not be wrong when we said the same to you, because we do not know each other. But you prefer to construct a conspiracy theory instead to meditate, to contemplate and to learn. Do you know why you do not win? Because I do not like to win. But I don't want to push you into the water so that you learn to swim. It takes your own will to want to learn to swim. Only you know what you think. You can say anything. But what has it done to you and others? Who benefits from what you do?

Der wahrhaft Liebende liebt Gott in allem und findet Gott in allem.
Meister Eckhart
The true lover loves God in everything and finds God in everything.

Und plötzlich weißt Du: Es ist Zeit etwas Neues zu beginnen und dem Zauber des Anfangs zu vertrauen. Gott ist ein Gott der Gegenwart.
Meister Eckhart
And suddenly you know: It's time to start something new and trust the magic of the beginning. God is a God of the present.

 

[ding]

This would be an indicator that perhaps something could not be wrong when we said the same to you, because we do not know each other. But you prefer to construct a conspiracy theory instead to meditate, to contemplate and to learn. Do you know why you do not win? Because I do not like to win. But I don't want to push you into the water so that you learn to swim. It takes your own will to want to learn to swim. Only you know what you think. You can say anything. But what has it done to you and others? Who benefits from what you do?

Der wahrhaft Liebende liebt Gott in allem und findet Gott in allem.
Meister Eckhart
The true lover loves God in everything and finds God in everything.

Und plötzlich weißt Du: Es ist Zeit etwas Neues zu beginnen und dem Zauber des Anfangs zu vertrauen. Gott ist ein Gott der Gegenwart.
Meister Eckhart
And suddenly you know: It's time to start something new and trust the magic of the beginning. God is a God of the present.

I love how you accuse others of what you do. That's so subversive of you.

 

[zaangalewa]

I love how you accuse others of what you do. That's so subversive of you.

Not more subversive as Vaticanum II and the pope, Lefebvreist.



PS: If you like to know something about politics and religion - what about this?

The Taliban in Afghanistan have issued a series of new laws which, among other things, prohibit women from making public statements. A woman's voice is intimate, so she should not sing, recite or read aloud in public, according to Article 13 of the code of vices and virtues, which was obtained by the AP news agency. The 114-page document was published on Wednesday after it was approved by Taliban leader Haibatullah Achundsada, according to a spokesman for the radical Islamic group. It was the first formal announcement of the so-called vice and virtue laws since the Taliban took power in the summer of 2021.

In the same year, they created a kind of moral police force, the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice. It can now issue warnings or enforce penalties for violations on the basis of the laws.

The laws regulate aspects of everyday life, such as how to deal with music and celebrations as well as public transportation.
According to the Taliban, the female face must be covered

According to Article 13, women must be veiled in public at all times. Covering the face is necessary to avoid temptation and not to seduce others. Clothing must not be thin, tight-fitting or short. Afghan women must also veil themselves in front of non-Muslim men and women in order to avoid being corrupted. A woman is also prohibited from looking at men to whom she is not related or married.

Article 17 prohibits the publication of images of living beings. The already hollowed-out media landscape in Afghanistan is likely to be further weakened by this regulation. Article 19 prohibits the playing of music. Women traveling alone may not be transported. Meetings between unrelated men and women are also taboo.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

[ding]

Not more subversive as Vaticanum II and the pope, Lefebvreist.



PS: If you like to know something about politics and religion - what about this?

The Taliban in Afghanistan have issued a series of new laws which, among other things, prohibit women from making public statements. A woman's voice is intimate, so she should not sing, recite or read aloud in public, according to Article 13 of the code of vices and virtues, which was obtained by the AP news agency. The 114-page document was published on Wednesday after it was approved by Taliban leader Haibatullah Achundsada, according to a spokesman for the radical Islamic group. It was the first formal announcement of the so-called vice and virtue laws since the Taliban took power in the summer of 2021.

In the same year, they created a kind of moral police force, the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice. It can now issue warnings or enforce penalties for violations on the basis of the laws.

The laws regulate aspects of everyday life, such as how to deal with music and celebrations as well as public transportation.
According to the Taliban, the female face must be covered

According to Article 13, women must be veiled in public at all times. Covering the face is necessary to avoid temptation and not to seduce others. Clothing must not be thin, tight-fitting or short. Afghan women must also veil themselves in front of non-Muslim men and women in order to avoid being corrupted. A woman is also prohibited from looking at men to whom she is not related or married.

Article 17 prohibits the publication of images of living beings. The already hollowed-out media landscape in Afghanistan is likely to be further weakened by this regulation. Article 19 prohibits the playing of music. Women traveling alone may not be transported. Meetings between unrelated men and women are also taboo.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

What's your problem with Vatican II, Hobelim ?

I grew up with it.

 

[zaangalewa]

What's your problem with Vatican II, Hobelim ?

Wrong spelling of my name on reason of defamation in "Trump-style".

I grew up with it.

Nevertheless you attacked Vaticanum II and you attack Pope Francis - in the typical nonsensic ways as you do. And also looks like you know a lot about formal structures - empty structures in your case - because you lack what I normally call "heart" (or also "centre of spirituality" for educated abstrahots). For me you are far from all Catholics who I know. But I found out: You are like a "chameleon". You overtake the surface color of something what others say to you and you transfrom this it into your own empty structures where you use it as weapons again. You fight continuously. Without to rest. But what you fight for I never understood.

 

[ding]

Nevertheless you attacked Vaticicanum II and you attack Pope Francis

I wouldn't expect you to tell the truth, Hobelim, you are a subversive and that's what subversives do.

 

[ding]

in the typical nonsensic ways as you do. And also looks like you know a lot about formal structures - empty structures in your case because you lack what I normally call "heart" (or also "centre of spirituality" for abstrahots). For me you are far from all Catholics who I know. But I found out: You are like a "chameleon". You overtake the surface color of something what others say to you and you transfrom this it into your own empty structures where you use it as weapons again. You fight continuously. Without to rest. But what you fight for I never understood.

You are describing yourself, Hobelim.

 

[ding]

Nevertheless you attacked Vaticanum II and you attack Pope Francis

You are lying.

I don't accept your assertion that Francis has overridden any doctrine at all.

Is it though? How different is what Francis did compared to what the US military did with don't ask don't tell? Because as near as I can tell they were pretty much the same thing. No official policy was changed.

All either did was to try to be a little more human.

Pope Francis' statements yesterday bring the church's stance back in line with its historical position on scientific thought.

 

[ding]

You fight continuously. Without to rest. But what you fight for I never understood.

Truth. I fight for Truth. You lie about me constantly. You make wild accusations without any basis in truth. You just accused me of attacking Pope Francis and Vatican II - which I have never done.

 

[zaangalewa]

ding

You are for me no Christian - and specially no Catholic. Do you have anything to say to me what has nothing to do with your absurde ideas in this context?

 

[zaangalewa]

Truth. I fight for Truth. ...

Empty phrase. If you would "fight" for truth (Anyway truth is always true independent from any fight) then you would first of all try to understand. But you defame and/or produce empty phrases, challenger (=Satana).

By the way, even my grandfather King David was somehow subversive (= German "umstürzlerisch") although it wasn't that easy for him. In any case, his wife hated it when he danced and sang like a normal citizen or proletarian at a feast and damaged her pride with this unworthy behavior of a king.

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To the choirmaster: with stringed instruments. A Psalm of David. Answer me when I call, O God of my righteousness! You have given me relief when I was in distress. Be gracious to me and hear my prayer!
O men, how long shall my honor be turned into shame? How long will you love vain words and seek after lies? But know that the Lord has set apart the godly for himself; the Lord hears when I call to him. Be angry, and do not sin; ponder in your own hearts on your beds, and be silent. Offer right sacrifices, and put your trust in the Lord. There are many who say, “Who will show us some good? Lift up the light of your face upon us, O Lord!” You have put more joy in my heart than they have when their grain and wine abound. In peace I will both lie down and sleep; for you alone, O Lord, make me dwell in safety.
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