Zone1 I am prepared to call Catholicism a cult

[Mister Iggy]

Facebook is the biggest cult.

 

[zaangalewa]

They’re all cults.

What do you understand by using the word "cult"? Sects? A "cult" is normally something what's modern. The Beatles for example had been a cult in their time. But the election of the pope is for example the eldest living "cult" ... custom ... of an election in the whole modern world. I refuse to say the Catholic Church is not modern - perhaps she is so in the USA - but the moderness of the Holy Catholic Church is basing on very old traditions and existed in all forms of political systems. But truth is always true - also when we will hear this truth tomorrow a first time and know currently still nothing about.

 

[zaangalewa]

He is the leader of your church.

Yes.

Get rid of him

No.

, or continue to be called a cult. ...

What you say about others is not their problem. It is your problem. But your use of this word is strange. You [learned to] hate Catholics so you call us "cult". Cult is a spearword for you. Others use it as an description. When I say "The Beatles had been a cult in their time" then I do not say this was bad. So what is the bad you like to say?

 

[zaangalewa]

By my definition, a cult is following a cult of personality or group of people and not God.

That's a sect.

And since the Pontiff has zero charisma in my view,

Why should a pope have charisma - asides that Francesco has a wonderful charisma?

it is just people blindly following a group of people with a heretic as it's leader

Should it not be "with an heretic as their leader"? Why do you depersonalize Catholics?

 

[zaangalewa]

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That's exactly what Catholics are not doing and this is very far from our view on other people who are not Catholics. I guess most Catholics think a man like Mahatma Ghandi or the current Dalai Lama will come to heaven one day. And most do not think they will meet Hitler there. But this is the decision of god and not our decision. We help if possible to do so. Unfortunatelly you do not let help you. You prefer to learn by bad experience.

 

[zaangalewa]

... Any Martin Luthers out there?

My wife is a Martin Luther. If you have a specific question for her, I will try to ask her at the risk of my life. However, I only understand her with my Catholic glasses on.

 

[ding]

That's exactly what Catholics are not doing and this is very far from our view on other people who are not Catholics. I guess most Catholics think a man like Mahatma Ghandi or the current Dalai Lama will come to heaven one day. And most do not think they will meet Hitler there. But this is the decision of god and not our decision. We help if possible to do so. Unfortunatelly you do not let help you. You prefer to learn by bad experience.

Pay attention.

 

[ding]

Source please and exact words and complete context, stupid intrigant guy. "cult" is by the way "culture" - and culture is the basis of civilisation. To call Catholics "uncultivated" and "uncivilized" is more than only strange. And words are no weapons. People need to know something. For to know something it needs to learn. And if someone doesn't like to learn then he is not only stupid but will always be stupid.

But you are behaving in an uncivilized manner by referring to him as "stupid intrigant guy."

 

[ding]

And if someone doesn't like to learn then he is not only stupid but will always be stupid.

Making absolute statements should usually be avoided.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Not only that. Catholics believe they can buy their way into Heaven. But the Bible say the only way to Heaven is through Jesus. They also worship saints as gods, which goes against the first commandment as it reads:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Also they make false idols which goes against the second commandment as it reads:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Also they believe in purgatory which there is no evidence of in the Bible. Another thing they believe in is the Seven deadly sins. Again, no evidence is found in the Bible.

 

[Meriweather]

You wrote what you think Catholics believe. I offer corrections of the true beliefs of Catholics.

Not only that. Catholics believe they can buy their way into Heaven. But the Bible say the only way to Heaven is through Jesus. They also worship saints as gods, which goes against the first commandment as it reads:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Catholics have never believed anyone can buy their way into heaven. You may be thinking of indulgences? Indulgences are worldly reparations for sins that have already been forgiven. In other words, "My sins have been forgiven, but I did bring wrong into the world by sinning. Now it my time to do right."

Also they make false idols which goes against the second commandment as it reads:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Graven images refer to graven images worshiped as idols. Otherwise, why did God command images of cherubs be engraved as part of the Ark of the Covenant and also in His temple. The Bible notes that the graven images others worshiped in the Bible could not do a thing, while the God of all could be relied on to bring down fire from heaven. (Even through there were graven images on the Ark of the Covenant.)

Also they believe in purgatory which there is no evidence of in the Bible. Another thing they believe in is the Seven deadly sins. Again, no evidence is found in the Bible.

In Jesus' time, there was a belief that after death there was a year of purification for most individuals. Jesus referred to such a time of purification several times in his teachings. Purgatory is a time of purification to fully prepare one to enter into the presence of God. Logic reminds us to beware of the seven deadly sins as they can lead one not into grace and blessings, but into ways that prove destructive often to both body and spirit. Instead, Catholics turn to the gifts and the fruits of the Holy Spirit which have blessings.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

You wrote what you think Catholics believe. I offer corrections of the true beliefs of Catholics.


Catholics have never believed anyone can buy their way into heaven. You may be thinking of indulgences? Indulgences are worldly reparations for sins that have already been forgiven. In other words, "My sins have been forgiven, but I did bring wrong into the world by sinning. Now it my time to do right."

Graven images refer to graven images worshiped as idols. Otherwise, why did God command images of cherubs be engraved as part of the Ark of the Covenant and also in His temple. The Bible notes that the graven images others worshiped in the Bible could not do a thing, while the God of all could be relied on to bring down fire from heaven. (Even through there were graven images on the Ark of the Covenant.)

In Jesus' time, there was a belief that after death there was a year of purification for most individuals. Jesus referred to such a time of purification several times in his teachings. Purgatory is a time of purification to fully prepare one to enter into the presence of God. Logic reminds us to beware of the seven deadly sins as they can lead one not into grace and blessings, but into ways that prove destructive often to both body and spirit. Instead, Catholics turn to the gifts and the fruits of the Holy Spirit which have blessings.

As a Pentecostal, I disagree. I stand firm on my beliefs of Catholics.

 

[Meriweather]

As a Pentecostal, I disagree. I stand firm on my beliefs of Catholics.

As a person of truth you will not want to spread falsehoods about the Catholic Church or base your reasons for not being Catholic on fabrications. I can help you discover better reasons for being Pentecostal and/or disagreeing with Catholics. There is no need for you to rely on prevarications.

 

[zaangalewa]

But you are behaving in an uncivilized manner by referring to him as "stupid intrigant guy."

He attacks the Holy Church with political propaganda of a weird US-American sect and says it's his personal idea to do so - ergo: he is a stupid intrigant guy. And this is a big compliment compared with this what I meanwile think about you and your never ending abstrahotic stupidities, "Catholic".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

MSN

Based on the Pontiff cult of personality that defies scripture.

The Pope preaches the gospel of Climate change now.

First he calls climate deniers "stupid". Ever hear Jesus call someone stupid? No? Neither have I. Then he shifts gears and go after scientists who challenge the Climate cult teachings as being perverse, unlike gay marriage. Then he calls the lot of them fools.

Trouble with calling someone a fool is, the Bible warns us on using the word as it only uses the term for those who deny God's existence.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

The Pontiff is the Jim Jones of Catholicism. He wants us all to drink the cool air of Climate change and starve to death as farmers around the world are told not to grow as much food in order to reduce carbon emissions due to fertilizers, as the world starves and deals with higher inflation due to food shortages..

The Fake Pope needs to be removed from the Vatican

Lightning Strikes St. Peter Statue on Pope Francis’ Birthday, Internet Lights Up

 

[zaangalewa]

Making absolute statements should usually be avoided.

Because you refuse to learn so you always will stay to be stupid?

 

[Cellblock2429]

MSN

Based on the Pontiff cult of personality that defies scripture.

The Pope preaches the gospel of Climate change now.

First he calls climate deniers "stupid". Ever hear Jesus call someone stupid? No? Neither have I. Then he shifts gears and go after scientists who challenge the Climate cult teachings as being perverse, unlike gay marriage. Then he calls the lot of them fools.

Trouble with calling someone a fool is, the Bible warns us on using the word as it only uses the term for those who deny God's existence.

Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

The Pontiff is the Jim Jones of Catholicism. He wants us all to drink the cool air of Climate change and starve to death as farmers around the world are told not to grow as much food in order to reduce carbon emissions due to fertilizers, as the world starves and deals with higher inflation due to food shortages..

/---/ The Pope is infallible on matters of church doctrine. With everything else, he's just expressing his personal opinion.

 

[zaangalewa]

Not only that. Catholics believe they can buy their way into Heaven. ...

Do we? Wonderful! Send me $2.50 for every stage on the stair to heaven. No guarantee for nothing if you will do so. But I will double this guarantee if you will send me $5 for every stage.



Translation:

trees
by hermann hesse

trees have always been the most powerful preachers for me.
i revere them when they live in nations and families in forests and homes and even more so when they stand alone
they are like lonely ones not like hermits who have stolen away out of some weakness they have stolen away
but like great lonely people
like beethoven and nietzsche
the world rustles in their treetops
their roots rest in the infinite
but they do not lose themselves in it but strive with all the strength of their lives for only one thing
to fulfill their own law dwelling within them
to develop their own form
to present themselves
nothing is more sacred nothing is more exemplary than a beautiful strong tree

when a tree has been cut down and
shows its naked death wound to the sun
then you can read its whole history on the clear slice of its stump and tombstone
in the annual rings and growths is written all struggle all suffering all sickness all happiness and prosperity faithfully written

narrow years and luxuriant years
attacks survived storms endured
and every farmer's boy knows that the hardest and noblest wood is the closest
rings
that high on mountains and in perpetual danger grow the most indestructible, powerful and exemplary trunks

trees are sacred
those who know how to talk to them those who know how to listen to them learn the truth
they do not preach teachings and recipes
they preach the primal law of life without caring about the individual

a tree speaks
hidden in me is a core a spark a thought
i am life from eternal life
unique is the attempt and the throw that the eternal mother has dared to make with me
unique is my form and the vein of my skin
unique is the smallest play of leaves on the top of my head
and the smallest scar on my bark
my office is to shape and show the eternal in the distinctly unique

a tree speaks
my strength is trust
i know nothing of my fathers
i know nothing of the 1000 children that emerge from me every year
I live the mystery of my seed to the end
nothing else is my worry
I trust that God is in me
I trust that my task is holy
I live from this trust

when we are sad and can no longer bear life well then a tree can speak to us
be still
be still
you look at me
life is not easy
life is not hard
these are children's thoughts
let god speak in you so they are silent
you are afraid because your path leads you away from your mother and home
but every step and every day leads you anew towards your mother

home is not here or there
home is inside you
- or nowhere

wanderlust tears at my heart
when i hear trees higher that rustle in the wind in the evening
if you listen quietly and for a long time, the wanderlust also shows its core and meaning
it is not wanting to run away from suffering as it seemed
it is a longing for home for the memory of the mother for new parables of life
it leads home
every path leads home
every step is birth
every step is death
every grave is a mother
so the tree rustles in the evening when we are afraid of our own children's thoughts

trees have long thoughts long and calm as they have a longer life than we do
they are wiser than us as long as we do not listen to them
but when we have learned to listen to the trees then the brevity and speed and childishness of our thoughts gain an unparalleled joyfulness

whoever has learned to listen to trees no longer desires to be a tree he desires to be nothing but what he is
that is home
that is
happiness

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

 

[ding]

He attacks the Holy Church with political propaganda of a weird US-American sect and says it's his personal idea to do so - ergo: he is a stupid intrigant guy. And this is a big compliment compared with this what I meanwile think about you and your never ending abstrahotic stupidities, "Catholic".

Are you trying to rationalize what you are doing is right? Or was that too abstract of a concept for you to follow?

 

[ding]

Because you refuse to learn so you always will stay to be stupid?

I love learning. I love it so much I won't allow myself to behave as you do.