I am an atheist.

[cnm]

...I am an atheist.

No one cares what you are.

Speak for yourself. I'm interested in how he defines himself.

 

[hobelim]

No way of telling if you are wrong??

That's right, no way at all. That's why you have been unable to even attempt it, despite weeks of crybabying.

Attempt what? What is it that you would like for me to do? Attempt to prove that a talking snake isn't a metaphor for a particular type of person or people even though it talks and is described in great detail?

lol...thats your job.

I would rather feed the pigeons...

That's not very specific, professor. So...the snake is personified? Whoah, that's deep!

Now, you are sure the author didnt believe that magical stuff? You...asked him?

My! What big eyes you have there Grandma!

lol

When I first read the story of the talking serpent in the garden of Eden, during my brief stint in religious instruction, I noticed within a fraction of a second that it was a metaphor for a type of person like in every other fairytale or fable with mythological creatures that I ever read or was read to me when I was younger. I was in the second grade and I didn't need any proof. I was fortunate enough to be learning how to understand fairy tales fables etc. in public elementary school..

Whats taking you so long?

You need proof that the author of what amounts to a children's story didn't believe in talking serpents? You think I have to prove you wrong that he actually believed that serpents could talk? A guy who just came from egypt where pharoah who disputed with Moses wore a serpent on his head and coincidentally could talk? lol..

Don't you even have enough sense to be embarrassed?

Damn...

So your amazing powers of perception told you the snake was personified? Wow, way to put that 9th grade English class to good use!

Now, let me get this straight...you are, indeed, a magical thinker who argues for theism. But you also somehow know, using your amazing powers gifted to you by ....you, that the bible's authors didnt actually believe any of what they erote.

Do I have that right?

Oh, and I notice your personal interpretations of bible tales get more vague whenever they are scrutinized. Funny how that works. Yet...they are the only correct ones! Of course.

I knew that in fairy tales talking animals represented human beings before kindergarten. By the first grade I had heard the troubling news that animals don't speak english or any human language.

By the time I read about the talking serpent in genesis I remembered what I had learned years earlier

You think that my powers of perception were amazing? I only remembered what I was taught. If thats amazing to you, your head is going to explode if you ever get past genesis

And yes the author of genesis did not believe that serpents could talk anymore than the author of Pinocchio believed that puppets can talk.

It was a story designed to teach children lessons.....Im sure the authors knew that...


BTW how old were you when you learned that animals can't talk? 4 years old? 5 years old?


But you expect me to believe that bronze age people who lived in the wilderness didn't know that when they were old enough to read and write? ?

okey dokey


you are dismissed.

 

[hobelim]

So...the snake is personified? Whoah, that's deep!

Yes, certain human characteristics were attributed to a serpent in a story written in hebrew by men to teach children the hard learned lessons of their past.

Does this shock you?

In hebrew the word for serpent, Nachash, is both a noun and an adjective that can mean serpent, brazen, shiny one, and/or one who practices divination, the stars of the ancient world, a real threat to the mental health and the quality of life of their children.

Its not supposed to be deep, rarified or arcane. It was supposed to be easily understood by children, bronze age hebrew children..

What a schmuck.

 

[LittleNipper]

How can you even profess to know that its all magical bullshit if there is no way to discover what the truth is? Damn.

Uh....hey genius....that's exactly why it's utter nonsense! Duh, man. All of you magical thinkers suffer from the same, basic mental block .

You all also suffer the very childish affliction of taking criticism of your magical bullshit personally. Thus occurs because "Because I say so!" is all you will ever have to support your magical bullshit. Therefore, you take any criticism of these ideas as an insult of your own credibility and intellect.

And....you're right! It absolutely is. That's YOUR choice for hitching your mind to these ideas. Your credibility and intellect is rightfully ridiculed.

What you don't seem to understand is that the story of Pinocchio is about a marionette that became a real boy, but at the same time it is not about a marionette that became a real boy. If someone believed that it was about a puppet coming to life it would be a belief in magical bullshit but thats not what the story is about. What the story is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.

What you see in scripture, all that you see, magical bullshit, is not what I am talking about or suggesting. Thats not what scripture is about anymore than the story of Pinocchio is about magical bullshit. What scripture is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.


That you can't grasp that irrefutable truth demonstrates a lack of intelligence. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Your belief that what amount to fairy tales could have infinite interpretations which are impossible to distinguish between what is true or false or right or wrong while posturing as an intellectual superior is just funny. Stupid but funny.

You should have paid attention in the first grade.

If you spend too much time on Pleasure Island those donkey ears are there to stay. (Piniocchio 3:14)

Capisce? Can I get a hee haw?

Yet, unlike Pinnochio, the Bible stories are interpreted in myriad ways. Ykur response to this? Your interpretation of each is correct, because you say so. And, as we know, there really is no way to tell if you are correct, or even if you are correct in your rather hilariously stupid assertion that the authors never meant any of it to be literal. You're just a hack with an opinion who thinks he is some authority. You aren't, it's all magical bullshit, and the fact is, much of it is immoral, evil bullshit.

Unlike other books, the Bible is a living book with multiple meanings surrounding every passage. However, those meaning do not contradict each other. Interpretation comes by way of the Holy Spirit.

No, that is not true. The Holy Spirit does not guide the individual reader to interpret the Bible.

It is not true for the unsaved. Those that are seeking after GOD and depending on Him will have the leading of the Holy Spirit. All others are lost and dead in their sins.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How can you even profess to know that its all magical bullshit if there is no way to discover what the truth is? Damn.

Uh....hey genius....that's exactly why it's utter nonsense! Duh, man. All of you magical thinkers suffer from the same, basic mental block .

You all also suffer the very childish affliction of taking criticism of your magical bullshit personally. Thus occurs because "Because I say so!" is all you will ever have to support your magical bullshit. Therefore, you take any criticism of these ideas as an insult of your own credibility and intellect.

And....you're right! It absolutely is. That's YOUR choice for hitching your mind to these ideas. Your credibility and intellect is rightfully ridiculed.

What you don't seem to understand is that the story of Pinocchio is about a marionette that became a real boy, but at the same time it is not about a marionette that became a real boy. If someone believed that it was about a puppet coming to life it would be a belief in magical bullshit but thats not what the story is about. What the story is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.

What you see in scripture, all that you see, magical bullshit, is not what I am talking about or suggesting. Thats not what scripture is about anymore than the story of Pinocchio is about magical bullshit. What scripture is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.


That you can't grasp that irrefutable truth demonstrates a lack of intelligence. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Your belief that what amount to fairy tales could have infinite interpretations which are impossible to distinguish between what is true or false or right or wrong while posturing as an intellectual superior is just funny. Stupid but funny.

You should have paid attention in the first grade.

If you spend too much time on Pleasure Island those donkey ears are there to stay. (Piniocchio 3:14)

Capisce? Can I get a hee haw?

Yet, unlike Pinnochio, the Bible stories are interpreted in myriad ways. Ykur response to this? Your interpretation of each is correct, because you say so. And, as we know, there really is no way to tell if you are correct, or even if you are correct in your rather hilariously stupid assertion that the authors never meant any of it to be literal. You're just a hack with an opinion who thinks he is some authority. You aren't, it's all magical bullshit, and the fact is, much of it is immoral, evil bullshit.

Unlike other books, the Bible is a living book with multiple meanings surrounding every passage. However, those meaning do not contradict each other. Interpretation comes by way of the Holy Spirit.

An appeal to authority fallacy if there ever was one.

 

[BreezeWood]

Its all magical bullshit. Because you said so... right

Correct! And there's no way to tell if I am right or wrong. Dang....it has taken you how long to finally get this???

.

Correct! And there's no way to tell if I am right or wrong. Dang....it has taken you how long to finally get this???

that is incorrect, there is an answer to everything, your not having attaining the answer is your problem, your ignorance is endemic to yourself only and should not be attempted to be shared with others. secularism and religion can have the same goal, The Apex of Knowledge where the answers reside - you might try it someday. don't try changing the answers without first passing your thoughts by the Almighty that's where permanent disability will await you.

 

[LittleNipper]

How can you even profess to know that its all magical bullshit if there is no way to discover what the truth is? Damn.

Uh....hey genius....that's exactly why it's utter nonsense! Duh, man. All of you magical thinkers suffer from the same, basic mental block .

You all also suffer the very childish affliction of taking criticism of your magical bullshit personally. Thus occurs because "Because I say so!" is all you will ever have to support your magical bullshit. Therefore, you take any criticism of these ideas as an insult of your own credibility and intellect.

And....you're right! It absolutely is. That's YOUR choice for hitching your mind to these ideas. Your credibility and intellect is rightfully ridiculed.

What you don't seem to understand is that the story of Pinocchio is about a marionette that became a real boy, but at the same time it is not about a marionette that became a real boy. If someone believed that it was about a puppet coming to life it would be a belief in magical bullshit but thats not what the story is about. What the story is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.

What you see in scripture, all that you see, magical bullshit, is not what I am talking about or suggesting. Thats not what scripture is about anymore than the story of Pinocchio is about magical bullshit. What scripture is actually about was never written down and is not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used.

simple.


That you can't grasp that irrefutable truth demonstrates a lack of intelligence. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Your belief that what amount to fairy tales could have infinite interpretations which are impossible to distinguish between what is true or false or right or wrong while posturing as an intellectual superior is just funny. Stupid but funny.

You should have paid attention in the first grade.

If you spend too much time on Pleasure Island those donkey ears are there to stay. (Piniocchio 3:14)

Capisce? Can I get a hee haw?

Yet, unlike Pinnochio, the Bible stories are interpreted in myriad ways. Ykur response to this? Your interpretation of each is correct, because you say so. And, as we know, there really is no way to tell if you are correct, or even if you are correct in your rather hilariously stupid assertion that the authors never meant any of it to be literal. You're just a hack with an opinion who thinks he is some authority. You aren't, it's all magical bullshit, and the fact is, much of it is immoral, evil bullshit.

Unlike other books, the Bible is a living book with multiple meanings surrounding every passage. However, those meaning do not contradict each other. Interpretation comes by way of the Holy Spirit.

An appeal to authority fallacy if there ever was one.

Not at all! If a person believes that the Holy Spirit will not or doesn't provide scriptural understanding, that individual is not redeemed. He basically dug his own hole, I didn't condemn him --- I merely showed him the hole he himself has dug.

If an individual doesn't believe his prayers are ever answered; doesn't believe Jesus ever existed; doesn't understand the Bible; thinks society improves as we get rid ourselves of GOD; believes that only human socialists can be "real" scientists; believes science must exclude any understanding of GOD, and believes that theory is absolute truth ------- that individual is on a path of destruction and is clearly unsaved, lost, and unrepentant for the time being. There is still hope as long as there is still life; however, deathbed conversions are very seldom a reality. The one thief on the cross is one that I'm scripturally aware of.

 

[cnm]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's right, no way at all. That's why you have been unable to even attempt it, despite weeks of crybabying.

Attempt what? What is it that you would like for me to do? Attempt to prove that a talking snake isn't a metaphor for a particular type of person or people even though it talks and is described in great detail?

lol...thats your job.

I would rather feed the pigeons...

That's not very specific, professor. So...the snake is personified? Whoah, that's deep!

Now, you are sure the author didnt believe that magical stuff? You...asked him?

My! What big eyes you have there Grandma!

lol

When I first read the story of the talking serpent in the garden of Eden, during my brief stint in religious instruction, I noticed within a fraction of a second that it was a metaphor for a type of person like in every other fairytale or fable with mythological creatures that I ever read or was read to me when I was younger. I was in the second grade and I didn't need any proof. I was fortunate enough to be learning how to understand fairy tales fables etc. in public elementary school..

Whats taking you so long?

You need proof that the author of what amounts to a children's story didn't believe in talking serpents? You think I have to prove you wrong that he actually believed that serpents could talk? A guy who just came from egypt where pharoah who disputed with Moses wore a serpent on his head and coincidentally could talk? lol..

Don't you even have enough sense to be embarrassed?

Damn...

So your amazing powers of perception told you the snake was personified? Wow, way to put that 9th grade English class to good use!

Now, let me get this straight...you are, indeed, a magical thinker who argues for theism. But you also somehow know, using your amazing powers gifted to you by ....you, that the bible's authors didnt actually believe any of what they erote.

Do I have that right?

Oh, and I notice your personal interpretations of bible tales get more vague whenever they are scrutinized. Funny how that works. Yet...they are the only correct ones! Of course.

I knew that in fairy tales talking animals represented human beings before kindergarten. By the first grade I had heard the troubling news that animals don't speak english or any human language.

By the time I read about the talking serpent in genesis I remembered what I had learned years earlier

You think that my powers of perception were amazing? I only remembered what I was taught. If thats amazing to you, your head is going to explode if you ever get past genesis

And yes the author of genesis did not believe that serpents could talk anymore than the author of Pinocchio believed that puppets can talk.

It was a story designed to teach children lessons.....Im sure the authors knew that...


BTW how old were you when you learned that animals can't talk? 4 years old? 5 years old?


But you expect me to believe that bronze age people who lived in the wilderness didn't know that when they were old enough to read and write? ?

okey dokey


you are dismissed.

Haha, look at how your big claims have degenerated. You have retreated to this simpleton position that all you meant all along was that personified animals are personified animals. THAT'S your big intellectual contribution? Good for you. I'll remind you of this, the next time you claim not only to know exactly what the bible's many authors were all thinking, but that your interpretation is the absolutely correct one.

And then I am sure we will just repeat this little exercise, wherein you change your claims as they are undermined and whittled away, and you end up holding the tiny grain of what is left, as you are right now

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

there is an answer to everything,

Haha....you are really missing my point. Of course we can invent an answer to anything. Telling which answer is correct is a different story. You think that things are true merely because you think they are true. That is magical thinking and has zero value, outside of making yourself feel good. Your particular brand of magical bullshit, for instance, is untestable, provides no useful predictions, and explains exactly nothing. Whether it is true or not has literally zero bearing on anything at all, nor could we ever even attempt to discern the truth of it.

That means it's not actually an answer to anything, except maybe the question, "what goofy magical bullshit did you invent to look at the universe in a fun way?"

 

[BreezeWood]

there is an answer to everything,

Haha....you are really missing my point. Of course we can invent an answer to anything. Telling which answer is correct is a different story. You think that things are true merely because you think they are true. That is magical thinking and has zero value, outside of making yourself feel good. Your particular brand of magical bullshit, for instance, is untestable, provides no useful predictions, and explains exactly nothing. Whether it is true or not has literally zero bearing on anything at all, nor could we ever even attempt to discern the truth of it.

That means it's not actually an answer to anything, except maybe the question, "what goofy magical bullshit did you invent to look at the universe in a fun way?"

.

Haha....you are really missing my point.

not in the least, what was there to miss - there is an answer for everything found at the Apex of Knowledge and further, I will agree no knowledge is certain without it.

but I will again refer you to physiology as a substance created souly by the metaphysical axioms and only exists when they are present and vanishes otherwise. magical, not in the sense of your reference as unreal but does disappear.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

there is an answer to everything,

Haha....you are really missing my point. Of course we can invent an answer to anything. Telling which answer is correct is a different story. You think that things are true merely because you think they are true. That is magical thinking and has zero value, outside of making yourself feel good. Your particular brand of magical bullshit, for instance, is untestable, provides no useful predictions, and explains exactly nothing. Whether it is true or not has literally zero bearing on anything at all, nor could we ever even attempt to discern the truth of it.

That means it's not actually an answer to anything, except maybe the question, "what goofy magical bullshit did you invent to look at the universe in a fun way?"

.

Haha....you are really missing my point.

not in the least, what was there to miss - there is an answer for everything found at the Apex of Knowledge and further, I will agree no knowledge is certain without it.

but I will again refer you to physiology as a substance created souly by the metaphysical axioms and only exists when they are present and vanishes otherwise. magical, not in the sense of your reference as unreal but does disappear.

Yes Breezewood, I can make up answers for everything, too. You know your answer is pretty much garbage, when it can be made to fit anything.

 

[hobelim]

Attempt what? What is it that you would like for me to do? Attempt to prove that a talking snake isn't a metaphor for a particular type of person or people even though it talks and is described in great detail?

lol...thats your job.

I would rather feed the pigeons...

That's not very specific, professor. So...the snake is personified? Whoah, that's deep!

Now, you are sure the author didnt believe that magical stuff? You...asked him?

My! What big eyes you have there Grandma!

lol

When I first read the story of the talking serpent in the garden of Eden, during my brief stint in religious instruction, I noticed within a fraction of a second that it was a metaphor for a type of person like in every other fairytale or fable with mythological creatures that I ever read or was read to me when I was younger. I was in the second grade and I didn't need any proof. I was fortunate enough to be learning how to understand fairy tales fables etc. in public elementary school..

Whats taking you so long?

You need proof that the author of what amounts to a children's story didn't believe in talking serpents? You think I have to prove you wrong that he actually believed that serpents could talk? A guy who just came from egypt where pharoah who disputed with Moses wore a serpent on his head and coincidentally could talk? lol..

Don't you even have enough sense to be embarrassed?

Damn...

So your amazing powers of perception told you the snake was personified? Wow, way to put that 9th grade English class to good use!

Now, let me get this straight...you are, indeed, a magical thinker who argues for theism. But you also somehow know, using your amazing powers gifted to you by ....you, that the bible's authors didnt actually believe any of what they erote.

Do I have that right?

Oh, and I notice your personal interpretations of bible tales get more vague whenever they are scrutinized. Funny how that works. Yet...they are the only correct ones! Of course.

I knew that in fairy tales talking animals represented human beings before kindergarten. By the first grade I had heard the troubling news that animals don't speak english or any human language.

By the time I read about the talking serpent in genesis I remembered what I had learned years earlier

You think that my powers of perception were amazing? I only remembered what I was taught. If thats amazing to you, your head is going to explode if you ever get past genesis

And yes the author of genesis did not believe that serpents could talk anymore than the author of Pinocchio believed that puppets can talk.

It was a story designed to teach children lessons.....Im sure the authors knew that...


BTW how old were you when you learned that animals can't talk? 4 years old? 5 years old?


But you expect me to believe that bronze age people who lived in the wilderness didn't know that when they were old enough to read and write? ?

okey dokey


you are dismissed.

Haha, look at how your big claims have degenerated. You have retreated to this simpleton position that all you meant all along was that personified animals are personified animals. THAT'S your big intellectual contribution? Good for you. I'll remind you of this, the next time you claim not only to know exactly what the bible's many authors were all thinking, but that your interpretation is the absolutely correct one.

And then I am sure we will just repeat this little exercise, wherein you change your claims as they are undermined and whittled away, and you end up holding the tiny grain of what is left, as you are right now

My, what big teeth you have there grandma!


I never said that I knew what the authors were thinking, I know what they were teaching.

We have taken a long trip to mars and back just for you to admit what I said in the first place, that the serpent represented a human archetype.

I was and am absolutely correct, since the second grade.


You are the one who claimed to know that the authors wrote about a talking serpent because they believed in magical bullshit. You claimed that that stupid assertion was as valid as any other and there was no way to differentiate between true and false.. lol...

You were and are absolutely wrong. How old are you?


now run along or you might find out more disturbing revelations about your bloviated opinions...

 

[cnm]

now run along or you might find out more disturbing revelations...

Reveal to me, where does 'Sacrifice me to me to make me change my rules' not put the case accurately?

 

[hobelim]

now run along or you might find out more disturbing revelations...

Reveal to me, where does 'Sacrifice me to me to make me change my rules' not put the case accurately?

Nowhere in scripture does is say any such shit.

You have been confused by irrational religious dogma established in 325.ce. by superstitious Romans who knew nothing of the figurative language and expressions employed in scriptures written by dedicated Jews.

The only thing about "the rules" that had changed and became obsolete after Christ appeared was the wrong way to understand and follow "the rules."

 

[BreezeWood]

.

The only thing about "the rules" that had changed and became obsolete after Christ appeared was the wrong way to understand and follow "the rules."

how is that true,hobe there is no christ there is only one rule ad infinitum each individual must fight evil to the finish to defeat or perish, and as being also all or none spoken to humanity - your saying there is the "christian" christ that does that for you - you are only correct the rule has not changed. the 1st century was an enlightenment for accomplishment, nothing else.

 

[BreezeWood]

there is an answer to everything,

Haha....you are really missing my point. Of course we can invent an answer to anything. Telling which answer is correct is a different story. You think that things are true merely because you think they are true. That is magical thinking and has zero value, outside of making yourself feel good. Your particular brand of magical bullshit, for instance, is untestable, provides no useful predictions, and explains exactly nothing. Whether it is true or not has literally zero bearing on anything at all, nor could we ever even attempt to discern the truth of it.

That means it's not actually an answer to anything, except maybe the question, "what goofy magical bullshit did you invent to look at the universe in a fun way?"

.

Haha....you are really missing my point.

not in the least, what was there to miss - there is an answer for everything found at the Apex of Knowledge and further, I will agree no knowledge is certain without it.

but I will again refer you to physiology as a substance created souly by the metaphysical axioms and only exists when they are present and vanishes otherwise. magical, not in the sense of your reference as unreal but does disappear.

Yes Breezewood, I can make up answers for everything, too. You know your answer is pretty much garbage, when it can be made to fit anything.

.

Yes Breezewood, I can make up answers for everything, too. You know your answer is pretty much garbage, when it can be made to fit anything.

but I will again refer you to physiology as a substance created souly by the metaphysical axioms and only exists when they are present and vanishes otherwise. magical, not in the sense of your reference as unreal but does disappear.

I can make up answers for everything ...


in fact that seems all your posts consist of, why not answer one - where does your physiology come from and why does it disappear when the metaphysical is removed.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I never said that I knew what the authors were thinking, I know what they were teaching.

I have seen some embarrassing dodges in my day, and this one is definitely up there with the most embarrassing. I think we're done here.

 

[hobelim]

I never said that I knew what the authors were thinking, I know what they were teaching.

I have seen some embarrassing dodges in my day, and this one is definitely up there with the most embarrassing. I think we're done here.

dodges? right. lol. I corrected you.. You want to quit now? Don't you want to learn the fate of the talking serpent ? Aren't you having fun?

BTW

How many of you are there?

 

[hobelim]

.

The only thing about "the rules" that had changed and became obsolete after Christ appeared was the wrong way to understand and follow "the rules."

how is that true,hobe there is no christ there is only one rule ad infinitum each individual must fight evil to the finish to defeat or perish, and as being also all or none spoken to humanity - your saying there is the "christian" christ that does that for you - you are only correct the rule has not changed. the 1st century was an enlightenment for accomplishment, nothing else.

Without Christ there is no way to win the fight against evil, just like without the law there is no light, only darkness and confusion. Jesus taught the only right way to understand and conform to the teaching in the divine commands that reveals the wisdom of God and fulfills the promise of eternal life.

It is in doing it that you will find life and, consequently, evil will find no place in you.

You don't have to fight evil to be victorious, you have to find life.