Hunter kills woman after mistaking her for a deer

[Pogo]

The thing that bothers me, in addition to the fact that an innocent person lost her life and her family is in mourning for their loss of a person who cannot be replaced, is that people who like to practice this hobby known as hunting think that everyone should watch out for them. It is not the responsibility of members of the public to look out for them. If you choose to wonder around in the woods with a loaded gun, you are responsible for what happens.

Eloquently put. "I'm going out shooting things with no warning so it's your responsibility to not get shot because I can't help myself".

Incredible. No different from "I'm drunk and driving home so it's your responsibility to not get hit because I can't help myself"

This line of thinking is even worse than Mike Pence's "I won't sit at a table with a female not my wife because I can't help myself".

Gotta wonder what the **** happened to the idea of responsibility for one's own actions.

 

[Pogo]

That's fine -- as long as idiots like NC back there don't go telling other people that they have no right to walk their dogs in the woods. It works both ways, not one-way.

Yo. That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. In fact, I said the precise opposite.

You put the blame on the victim, Spunky. You literally said that she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed even though you don't even know what she was wearing in the first place.

That was a fuckup. Admit it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If you are in an area where there is hunting and it is hunting season, you are supposed to, if you have common sense, to wear orange so a hunter won't mistake you for a deer. I've known that since I was a child as my dad and uncles went hunting. They wore orange jackets too, when they were out there.

I don't know what to think. I don't think he is excused because she didn't have orange on. A good hunter will not shoot at anything that he is unsure of. You don't shoot at something you are just guessing is a deer. And I think hunters should only be allowed to use traditional hunting rifles. They don't need high powered military style weapons. Hunting is supposed to be a sport. Using military style high powered weapons isn't sport.

And how exactly is one made aware "it's hunting season"? Some kind of osmosis?

I went out I think it was last Saturday morning and had to wait for multiple pickup trucks to move off the road, guys talking among themselves wearing orange hats. I didn't expect that. And I certainly wasn't wearing orange.

I also wasn't hiking in the woods but I easily could have been. Was that "hunting season"? Had it already been hunting season for some time? Is it still on now? Who knows? You can't ask a question you don't know needs asking.

Bottom line is, there's simply no way to foist responsibility on to the victim here. All she did was walk her dogs. Perhaps she had no idea it was hunting season. Had I been dog sitting (as indeed I was a week earlier) ---- I wouldn't have either.

I don't know. I realize they don't warn you. From my experience, people in rural areas where there is hunting just know. Perhaps you can check with someone. I don't think you can rely on your 'rights.' You just have to accept it and be proactive about your safety. Is this the first time it has come up in all the years you've lived there? I'm not a fan of hunting and I grew up in the city, a big city. But I had in my immediate & extended family men who hunted and learned these things as a child...about being aware of hunting seaon and wearing orange, etc.

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

 

[Pogo]

And how exactly is one made aware "it's hunting season"? Some kind of osmosis?

I went out I think it was last Saturday morning and had to wait for multiple pickup trucks to move off the road, guys talking among themselves wearing orange hats. I didn't expect that. And I certainly wasn't wearing orange.

I also wasn't hiking in the woods but I easily could have been. Was that "hunting season"? Had it already been hunting season for some time? Is it still on now? Who knows? You can't ask a question you don't know needs asking.

Bottom line is, there's simply no way to foist responsibility on to the victim here. All she did was walk her dogs. Perhaps she had no idea it was hunting season. Had I been dog sitting (as indeed I was a week earlier) ---- I wouldn't have either.

I don't know. I realize they don't warn you. From my experience, people in rural areas where there is hunting just know. Perhaps you can check with someone. I don't think you can rely on your 'rights.' You just have to accept it and be proactive about your safety. Is this the first time it has come up in all the years you've lived there? I'm not a fan of hunting and I grew up in the city, a big city. But I had in my immediate & extended family men who hunted and learned these things as a child...about being aware of hunting seaon and wearing orange, etc.

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

 

[Esmeralda]

I don't know. I realize they don't warn you. From my experience, people in rural areas where there is hunting just know. Perhaps you can check with someone. I don't think you can rely on your 'rights.' You just have to accept it and be proactive about your safety. Is this the first time it has come up in all the years you've lived there? I'm not a fan of hunting and I grew up in the city, a big city. But I had in my immediate & extended family men who hunted and learned these things as a child...about being aware of hunting seaon and wearing orange, etc.

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, I won't get on a small boat, or go water skiing without a life vest. Why? Because I am doing something that could potentially be dangerous, and I understand that I can drown.

Same reason I wear a stocking cap or vest in hunter orange during hunting season when I'm in the woods. I know that people are hunting, and I also understand that there are some of them who are not exactly trained in the proper handling of guns.

 

[Pogo]

You know, I won't get on a small boat, or go water skiing without a life vest. Why? Because I am doing something that could potentially be dangerous, and I understand that I can drown.

Same reason I wear a stocking cap or vest in hunter orange during hunting season when I'm in the woods. I know that people are hunting, and I also understand that there are some of them who are not exactly trained in the proper handling of guns.

When you're heading out on water in a boat ----that's something YOU are actively doing.

That's the difference.

 

[Pogo]

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Summa y'all are taking this way far afield.

The issue was a poster who came in here suggesting it was the victim's fault for not wearing orange --- even though he has no idea what she was or was not wearing. As if (a) he can see through space and time to see what even this pistol-hunter couldn't, and (b) the onus is on the victim to counter someone else's actions before they happen through some sort of prescience.

That's a fatally flawed argument, and I pointed it out. Period.

Just leave it at that.

But just for the record I don't even own anything to wear that is orange, it would never occur to me that it's a required purchase, and I'm a bird watcher who respects Nature so I don't "make noise". I'd just like to retain the right to do that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't know. I realize they don't warn you. From my experience, people in rural areas where there is hunting just know. Perhaps you can check with someone. I don't think you can rely on your 'rights.' You just have to accept it and be proactive about your safety. Is this the first time it has come up in all the years you've lived there? I'm not a fan of hunting and I grew up in the city, a big city. But I had in my immediate & extended family men who hunted and learned these things as a child...about being aware of hunting seaon and wearing orange, etc.

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

Obviously the hunter but why should I not make it easier NOT to mistake me or my dogs for a game animal?

It seems the prudent thing to do does it not?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You know, I won't get on a small boat, or go water skiing without a life vest. Why? Because I am doing something that could potentially be dangerous, and I understand that I can drown.

Same reason I wear a stocking cap or vest in hunter orange during hunting season when I'm in the woods. I know that people are hunting, and I also understand that there are some of them who are not exactly trained in the proper handling of guns.

When you're heading out on water in a boat ----that's something YOU are actively doing.

That's the difference.

When you are walking around the woods during hunting season that is something you are actively doing as well

 

[Pogo]

You know, I won't get on a small boat, or go water skiing without a life vest. Why? Because I am doing something that could potentially be dangerous, and I understand that I can drown.

Same reason I wear a stocking cap or vest in hunter orange during hunting season when I'm in the woods. I know that people are hunting, and I also understand that there are some of them who are not exactly trained in the proper handling of guns.

When you're heading out on water in a boat ----that's something YOU are actively doing.

That's the difference.

When you are walking around the woods during hunting season that is something you are actively doing as well

"Walking around in the woods" is an action. "During hunting season" is not. That's something completely outside.

If I choose to be a hunter, then I'm responsible for finding out all the legalities of when and where I can hunt, what I can hunt, whether I need a license, etc etc.

If I do not choose to be a hunter ---- I'm responsible for none of that.

Here's another analogy.

Last week, true story, I contacted a financial institution where I have accounts, to make a transaction I needed. They never called back. Finally they returned the call this week. It would seem the office took off on Friday. Nothing in their prior communications indicated they would be closed that day. Nor did anything on their website or their outgoing phone message. They just left me hanging with no answer.

Is it supposed to be *MY* responsibility to somehow figure out in advance that they would be closed that day? Or is being open on a Friday, especially since your phone message and your website says you are, the norm, deviation from which requires a notice?

"Walking in the woods" is similarly a 'norm'. Therefore should not a patch of woods where hunting is going on require prominent warning of that fact since it's a deviation from that norm?

The short version --- how is it *MY* responsibility (or in this case the victim's) to know what other people are doing? Why can't they be responsible for their own actions? How do we get to a point where I have to be responsible for my own PLUS theirs?

 

[Pogo]

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

Obviously the hunter but why should I not make it easier NOT to mistake me or my dogs for a game animal?

It seems the prudent thing to do does it not?

It would, only given the vital assumption that one knows there's a hunter around, or could be.

This poster not only assumes that "everybody just knows" by some kind of osmosis, but also ass-sumed he knows what she was wearing and not wearing. Neither ass-sumption is valid.

 

[Lysistrata]

I have no idea when it is. I hear gunshots year 'round around here, and they echo through the hollow. Other than that I don't have the slightest idea until I happen across them like the other Saturday. It's not something that occurs to me before I see it. And the thought that we nature lovers are all supposed to be some kind of captives to this mentality is just creepy, as if we don't have the right to appreciate a forest or a mushroom or a sprig of ginseng.

The issue here is that the poster (back there) wants to blame the victim for also, apparently, not knowing. Even though he doesn't even know what she was wearing anyway. He just ass-sumes, in his quest to blame a victim. Literally with "she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed" line.

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Bullshit. There is no reason to have "hunting safety tips" for non-hunters. If you are crazy enough to be in the woods with a loaded gun, you have the responsibility. Most people don't hunt. If this is your hobby, the responsibility is on you. Typical of gun types, they want everyone to watch out for them instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Do what I do. I wear a blaze orange vest and I put blaze orange vests on my dogs. I also put bells on my dogs so they make as much noise as possible. I figure I scare every deer in a 200 yard radius away

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Bullshit. There is no reason to have "hunting safety tips" for non-hunters. If you are crazy enough to be in the woods with a loaded gun, you have the responsibility. Most people don't hunt. If this is your hobby, the responsibility is on you. Typical of gun types, they want everyone to watch out for them instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

"Most people don't hunt"? Really? Where do you live at? Me? I grew up in Montana, and damn near everyone I knew hunted. And, we didn't do it for a "hobby", we did it because that is where we got half our meat for the year.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I'm no hunter

But isn't hitting your target at 200 yards with a pistol quite a shot?

i can hit targets- paper plates -with my scoped 44 mag rested

but i wouldnt attempt that on a deer

 

[Lysistrata]

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

Why stop there. Why not just put me in leg irons and chain me to a wall.

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Bullshit. There is no reason to have "hunting safety tips" for non-hunters. If you are crazy enough to be in the woods with a loaded gun, you have the responsibility. Most people don't hunt. If this is your hobby, the responsibility is on you. Typical of gun types, they want everyone to watch out for them instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

"Most people don't hunt"? Really? Where do you live at? Me? I grew up in Montana, and damn near everyone I knew hunted. And, we didn't do it for a "hobby", we did it because that is where we got half our meat for the year.

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Bullshit. There is no reason to have "hunting safety tips" for non-hunters. If you are crazy enough to be in the woods with a loaded gun, you have the responsibility. Most people don't hunt. If this is your hobby, the responsibility is on you. Typical of gun types, they want everyone to watch out for them instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

"Most people don't hunt"? Really? Where do you live at? Me? I grew up in Montana, and damn near everyone I knew hunted. And, we didn't do it for a "hobby", we did it because that is where we got half our meat for the year.

Grew up in New Jersey and New York. Nobody hunted.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Why would I do that? I'm out there just trying to enjoy the outdoors with my dogs. I am being cautious so neither I nor my dogs get mistaken for a game animal.

OK let's go from there.

If you or your dogs do get mistaken for a game animal --- exactly WHO is it that is committing the action of mistaking?

"Most people don't hunt"? Really? Where do you live at? Me? I grew up in Montana, and damn near everyone I knew hunted. And, we didn't do it for a "hobby", we did it because that is where we got half our meat for the year.

That's the central point.

No. The central point is to take seriously your safety and accept the unavoidable. Unless you want to get involved in politics and some how manage to change things to be the way you want them, you just have to accept. These things have been in place for decades. Probably for over 100 years. I can't understand how it hasn't come up before if you live in a rural area. Or have you just chosen this thread to be difficult? When you are in an area where people are shooting, just do this (or not if the principle is more important than your life).

Hunting Safety Tips for Non-Hunters

• Identify hunting seasons and lands open to hunting. ...
• Wear bright clothing (like hunter blaze orange). ...
• Don't forget to protect your dog, too. ...
• Make noise. ...
• Be courteous. ...
• Make yourself known. ...
• Choose an alternative place or date
• Be sure to wear orange when hiking during hunting season

Bullshit. There is no reason to have "hunting safety tips" for non-hunters. If you are crazy enough to be in the woods with a loaded gun, you have the responsibility. Most people don't hunt. If this is your hobby, the responsibility is on you. Typical of gun types, they want everyone to watch out for them instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

"Most people don't hunt"? Really? Where do you live at? Me? I grew up in Montana, and damn near everyone I knew hunted. And, we didn't do it for a "hobby", we did it because that is where we got half our meat for the year.

Grew up in New Jersey and New York. Nobody hunted.

I can guarantee you if you are in CO, WY, MT, ID or WA, you will know people who hunt, because yeah, for some it is a sport, but for a lot of people who live in those areas, hunting isn't so much for sport as it is for actual food.

Grew up eating deer, elk, rabbit, and chickens and beef we raised ourselves.

 

[rightwinger]

You know, I won't get on a small boat, or go water skiing without a life vest. Why? Because I am doing something that could potentially be dangerous, and I understand that I can drown.

Same reason I wear a stocking cap or vest in hunter orange during hunting season when I'm in the woods. I know that people are hunting, and I also understand that there are some of them who are not exactly trained in the proper handling of guns.

When you're heading out on water in a boat ----that's something YOU are actively doing.

That's the difference.

When you are walking around the woods during hunting season that is something you are actively doing as well

She was not walking in the woods
She was on private property 100 yds from her home

 

[Aries]

Gosh. What the heck was she doing out there in the woods during hunting season without any orange? That's just stupid.

It's unfortunate, though. Not sure what pistol was used, though. That is a heck of a shot.

Walking her dogs... behind her house. How dare she.



What about the hunter hunting after dark? How does one mistake a human for a deer? If vision was that skewed it was obviously time to call it a day, extremely irresponsible decision.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, there are several places here where I have a problem.

1. She should have been wearing hunter orange if she was in the woods during hunting season. I grew up doing it, and it was because I knew there were going to be idiots in the woods with beer and guns.

2. The hunter is wrong on several counts here. First, he was taking a shot after the sun had set. Hunting in the dark makes it very difficult to see what you are shooting at. Second, he was taking a shot at an animal from a very long distance. Me? I hunted with a 30 ot six, and a British 308, and was told by my family that before taking a shot, make sure what you are shooting at, and to ALWAYS be close enough to ensure you could bring the animal down with one shot. Why? Tracking a wounded animal through the woods is hard work.

Granted, this is a tragedy, and yes, there should be some kind of consequences for the hunter in this situation.

But, it's also a good reminder to wear orange during hunting season.