How were the “experts” so wrong about 2024 election and will it carry to 2028?

[SweetTea]

Your sentiment that you don’t understand how people could vote differently than you is your problem.

I don’t have a problem understanding how people vote differently than me.

I don't understand how someone could vote for a Socialist.

 

[Marener]

I don't understand how someone could vote for a Socialist.

I understand how someone could vote for a fascist.

Personal interests are different person to person.

 

[pknopp]

Sure. Show me who picked Trump to win from the media “experts”?

That wasn't your claim so............

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Most of the so-called "experts" were white, and whites never factor in the possibility that other whites will vote for racism.

^^^ racist

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I understand how someone could vote for a fascist.

Personal interests are different person to person.

^^^ doesn't know what fascism is.

Democrats attack Tesla owners and dealers, spray paint swastikas on them while screaming FASCISTS!!!

Democrats are the fascist they claim Americans to be.

 

[SweetTea]

I understand how someone could vote for a fascist.

Yeah, I don't understand that either, but then agaon there are none running for office in the US that I'm aware of.

 

[Marener]

Yeah, I don't understand that either, but then agaon there are none running for office in the US that I'm aware of.

Of course you aren’t aware. I don’t think the people that vote for fascists think they’re voting for fascists.

 

[JoeB131]

I refuse to believe that the majority of the country is ignorant enough to vote for any of the current crop of extremist, Socialist Democrats, but then again, NYC is getting ready to elect one, so who knows. Maybe the years of indoctrination has finally reached the tipping point. If so, we are all doomed.

Hmmm... we put a mentally ill game show host in charge of the country who is alienating the rest of the world... I would say that is "doom".

Here's why socialism is probably inevitable. When you gut the middle class and get Robots to do most of the work, eventually, people are just going to vote to be taken care of.

Them ******* poor people, not dutifully starving to death to make you happy, I know.

Now, here's the thing, I'm horrified by Bernie, AOC, Mandami, and the rest of their ilk. We need to restore the Pre-Reagan balance, not go full socialist.

But the path of least resistance is the American Way. Once Mr and Mrs. Trailer Park realize that hating the Trannies REALLY HARD didn't make their lives any better, they are going to vote for socialism.

 

[JoeB131]

8f Newsom is the democrat candidate, Vance will have a comfortable win. In fact, no matter who democrats put up, democrats will have a comfortable win.

Uh, Democrats have an 7 point lead right now in the generic votes.

And that's before the ecomomy turns into a Crypto-induced shit-show that we all know is coming.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Uh, Democrats have an 7 point lead right now in the generic votes.

And that's before the ecomomy turns into a Crypto-induced shit-show that we all know is coming.

You keep believing that. Especially after the reality of a booming economy. Which, of course, democrats will lie about.

 

[SweetTea]

Of course you aren’t aware. I don’t think the people that vote for fascists think they’re voting for fascists.

I don’t think people that believe they are fighting Fascism in the US have a clue what Fascism really is. The same goes for those voting for Socialism. Both beliefs are rooted in pure ignorance and misinformation..

 

[SweetTea]

Hmmm... we put a mentally ill game show host in charge of the country who is alienating the rest of the world... I would say that is "doom".

You call him a mentally ill game show host. I call him a very successful real estate developer and two time President of the US who puts the US first for a change instead of kowtowing to Europe’s every folly.

Here's why socialism is probably inevitable. When you gut the middle class and get Robots to do most of the work, eventually, people are just going to vote to be taken care of.

I agree with you that it may inevebitble and robots could play a role. The biggest role now is that we have promosed a lot of free stuff. Democrats promote the entitlement mentality and the idea of being envious of those that are more successful than them. That is the biggest issue currently. Don’t want people to go full Socialist? Don’t promote class warfare and entitlement.

Them ******* poor people, not dutifully starving to death to make you happy, I know.

I live in a double-wide, remember? I am one of the poor people that should be “dutifully starving to death”. Why is that not the case?

Now, here's the thing, I'm horrified by Bernie, AOC, Mandami, and the rest of their ilk. We need to restore the Pre-Reagan balance, not go full socialist.

We agree on those clowns. The problem for Democrats is that the entire party has gone down that road. The only way to turn back is to reject the far-left nuts of your party, but instead you act as if the Republican Party is a worse alternative. In fact, they are the party that represents more of a return to the way we were vs the progressive Democratic Party that is fostering more government dependency and ultimately Socialism. They teach that Socialism is good and Capitalism is bad in colleges. It is exactly the WRONG approach, but hey, I don’t expect you to accept that.

But the path of least resistance is the American Way. Once Mr and Mrs. Trailer Park realize that hating the Trannies REALLY HARD didn't make their lives any better, they are going to vote for socialism.

It has nothing to do with transsexuals. That issue is just another example of many of how the far-left wing of the party has lost their marbles and they are dragging the once more moderate Democrats down with them.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Not one expert predicted a Kamala landslide.

William Miller did.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We all want America to succeed

What did I tell you about being so damn naive

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Most of the so-called "experts" were white, and whites never factor in the possibility that other whites will vote for racism.

But we always understand blacks will vote incompetence for the opportunity to vote 'pretend black"

 

[Marener]

I don’t think people that believe they are fighting Fascism in the US have a clue what Fascism really is. The same goes for those voting for Socialism. Both beliefs are rooted in pure ignorance and misinformation..

Fascism thrives on misinformation. That and identifying and animating the populace against an enemy.

Maybe people know more about fascism than you think.

 

[pknopp]

Fascism thrives on misinformation.

Like how people were predicting a Harris landslide?

That and identifying and animating the populace against an enemy.

Maybe people know more about fascism than you think.

Not likely.

 

[JoeB131]

You call him a mentally ill game show host. I call him a very successful real estate developer and two time President of the US who puts the US first for a change instead of kowtowing to Europe’s every folly.

Well, you can call him that, but it doesn't take away from the fact he's not well. Just look at the shit that he posts to Truth Social when his minders aren't watching him. This is not a well man. If Grandpa did this, we'd take away the keys.

I agree with you that it may inevebitble and robots could play a role. The biggest role now is that we have promosed a lot of free stuff. Democrats promote the entitlement mentality and the idea of being envious of those that are more successful than them. That is the biggest issue currently. Don’t want people to go full Socialist? Don’t promote class warfare and entitlement.

Um, guy, the Class Warfare began in 1981 when Ronnie Ray-gun disbanded PATCO. You see, before that, we had a pretty good balance.

The Republicans use every recession to take more from the working class. it's why they have them so often. It's not a bug, it's a design feature.

I live in a double-wide, remember? I am one of the poor people that should be “dutifully starving to death”. Why is that not the case?

Well, because we have a social welfare state that won't allow that. The problem being that the one percenters have been trying to gut it for the last 40 years.

We agree on those clowns. The problem for Democrats is that the entire party has gone down that road. The only way to turn back is to reject the far-left nuts of your party, but instead you act as if the Republican Party is a worse alternative. In fact, they are the party that represents more of a return to the way we were vs the progressive Democratic Party that is fostering more government dependency and ultimately Socialism. They teach that Socialism is good and Capitalism is bad in colleges. It is exactly the WRONG approach, but hey, I don’t expect you to accept that.

The Republicans are the far worse alternative. I was kind of fine with Republicans when it was Reagan (despite what he did to PATCO) or the Bushes. But Trump has fully enabled the Religious zealots, the Libertarian Children, and the Gun Fetishists beyond common sense.

The "Way we were" is just indulging the worst of white male anger. It's not the feminist who makes your life miserable, or the black person asking nicely to not be shot during a traffic stop, or the LGBTQ person having sex you don't like. It's the rich person who has too much and wants more at your expense.

And when Trump gives us Great Depression II with his Crypto-scams, you might want to start learning the words to the International.

It has nothing to do with transsexuals. That issue is just another example of many of how the far-left wing of the party has lost their marbles and they are dragging the once more moderate Democrats down with them.

Really, let's look at that.

What a crazy idea, treating Transgender folks with dignity.

You know, I'm sure there were people who thought the Democrats lost their marbles when the Democrats supported civil rights. It's how they lost the South.

And I'm sure they lost their marbles when they supported crazy ideas like family planning and gender equality in the workplace. Heck, some parts of you STILL haven't gotten over that one, which is why these fake "Trad-Wives" are so popular.

Hold on, how about Gay Rights? I'm sure you guys think the Democrats lost their marbles when they had crazy ideas about gay marriage and non-discrimiantion against gays

Here's the thing: if I offered you a million dollars to start using someone's pronouns and call them by their new chosen name, you'd probably go along with it.

But instead, the people who keep gutting the middle class tell you, 'Eeek, that Tranny wants to use your bathroom!" and you go for it

 

[Frankenstein]

Is it because “Our reverence for the truth has become a distraction”?

If it is Newsom vs Vance in 2028, there will be many predicting a Newsom landslide.

They predict what they want, and use it as a way to suppress voter turnout by republicans, they want you to think there is no hope so you will stay home. Democrats are the worst!

 

[Frankenstein]

Which experts?

In the lead-up to the 2024 United States presidential election, most major forecasting models and analysts gave the edge to Donald Trump (Republican) over Kamala Harris (Democrat).

• For example, the forecasting model by Nate Silver (formerly at FiveThirtyEight) gave Trump a higher probability of winning the Electoral College. Wikipedia+3Nate Silver+3The Economist+3
• Some polls and commentary showed a very tight race, with neither candidate dominating. Nate Silver+3The Hub+3The Week+3
• A few models (such as Allan Lichtman’s “13 keys” model) predicted Harris would win — but she did not. Brandeis University+1

In short: while the race was widely regarded as very competitive, the consensus tilt was toward Trump as the favorite.

Like the one that had Harris up by 12 in Iowa?